The 2 Beasts with The harlot

parousia70 said:

Rather, Jerusalem was famous for becoming The Harlot City -- an unfaithful spouse to her King (Isa 1:21; Jer 3:6-10; Ez 16:37-39).

Jeremiah 3:1 They say, If a man divorces his wife, And she goes from him And becomes another mans, May he return to her again? Would not that land be greatly polluted? But you have played the harlot with many lovers; Yet return to Me, says the Lord.

Jeremiah 3:3 Therefore the showers have been withheld, And there has been no latter rain. You have had a harlots forehead; You refuse to be ashamed.

Jeremiah 3:8 Then I saw that for all the causes for which backsliding Israel had committed adultery, I had put her away and given her a certificate of divorce; yet her treacherous sister Judah did not fear, but went and played the harlot also.

Jeremiah 13:27 I have seen your adulteries And your lustful neighings, The lewdness of your harlotry, Your abominations on the hills in the fields. Woe to you, O Jerusalem! Will you still not be made clean?

Ezekiel 16:15 But you trusted in your own beauty, played the harlot because of your fame, and poured out your harlotry on everyone passing by who would have it.

Ezekiel 16:16 You took some of your garments and adorned multicolored high places for yourself, and played the harlot on them. Such things should not happen, nor be.

Ezekiel 16:17 You have also taken your beautiful jewelry from My gold and My silver, which I had given you, and made for yourself male images and played the harlot with them.

Ezekiel 16:20 Moreover you took your sons and your daughters, whom you bore to Me, and these you sacrificed to them to be devoured. Were your acts of harlotry a small matter,

Ezekiel 16:22 And in all your abominations and acts of harlotry you did not remember the days of your youth, when you were naked and bare, struggling in your blood.

Ezekiel 16:25 You built your high places at the head of every road, and made your beauty to be abhorred. You offered yourself to everyone who passed by, and multiplied your acts of harlotry.

Ezekiel 16:26 You also committed harlotry with the Egyptians, your very fleshly neighbors, and increased your acts of harlotry to provoke Me to anger.

Ezekiel 16:28 You also played the harlot with the Assyrians, because you were insatiable; indeed you played the harlot with them and still were not satisfied.

Ezekiel 16:29 Moreover you multiplied your acts of harlotry as far as the land of the trader, Chaldea; and even then you were not satisfied.

Ezekiel 16:30 How degenerate is your heart!says the Lord God, seeing you do all these things, the deeds of a brazen harlot.

Ezekiel 16:31 You erected your shrine at the head of every road, and built your high place in every street. Yet you were not like a harlot, because you scorned payment.

Ezekiel 16:34 You are the opposite of other women in your harlotry, because no one solicited you to be a harlot. In that you gave payment but no payment was given you, therefore you are the opposite.

Ezekiel 16:35 Now then, O harlot, hear the word of the Lord!

Ezekiel 16:36 Thus says the Lord God: Because your filthiness was poured out and your nakedness uncovered in your harlotry with your lovers, and with all your abominable idols, and because of the blood of your children which you gave to them,

Ezekiel 20:30 Therefore say to the house of Israel, Thus says the Lord God: Are you defiling yourselves in the manner of your fathers, and committing harlotry according to their abominations?

Ezekiel 23:11 Now although her sister Oholibah saw this, she became more corrupt in her lust than she, and in her harlotry more corrupt than her sisters harlotry.

Ezekiel 23:14 But she increased her harlotry; She looked at men portrayed on the wall, Images of Chaldeans portrayed in vermilion,

Ezekiel 23:18 She revealed her harlotry and uncovered her nakedness. Then I alienated Myself from her, As I had alienated Myself from her sister.

Ezekiel 23:19 Yet she multiplied her harlotry In calling to remembrance the days of her youth, When she had played the harlot in the land of Egypt.

Ezekiel 23:27 Thus I will make you cease your lewdness and your harlotry Brought from the land of Egypt, So that you will not lift your eyes to them, Nor remember Egypt anymore.

Ezekiel 23:29 They will deal hatefully with you, take away all you have worked for, and leave you naked and bare. The nakedness of your harlotry shall be uncovered, both your lewdness and your harlotry.

Ezekiel 23:30 I will do these things to you because you have gone as a harlot after the Gentiles, because you have become defiled by their idols.

Ezekiel 23:35 Therefore thus says the Lord God: Because you have forgotten Me and cast Me behind your back, Therefore you shall bear the penalty Of your lewdness and your harlotry.

Ezekiel 43:7 And He said to me, Son of man, this is the place of My throne and the place of the soles of My feet, where I will dwell in the midst of the children of Israel forever. No more shall the house of Israel defile My holy name, they nor their kings, by their harlotry or with the carcasses of their kings on their high places.

Ezekiel 43:9 Now let them put their harlotry and the carcasses of their kings far away from Me, and I will dwell in their midst forever.

Hosea 4:11 Harlotry, wine, and new wine enslave the heart.

Hosea 4:12 My people ask counsel from their wooden idols, And their staff informs them. For the spirit of harlotry has caused them to stray, And they have played the harlot against their God.

Hosea 4:15 Though you, Israel, play the harlot, Let not Judah offend. Do not come up to Gilgal, Nor go up to Beth Aven, Nor swear an oath, saying, As the Lord lives

Amos 7:17 Therefore thus says the Lord: Your wife shall be a harlot in the city; Your sons and daughters shall fall by the sword; Your land shall be divided by survey line; You shall die in a defiled land; And Israel shall surely be led away captive From his own land.

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And see I have no problem recognizing that Jerusalem ( the people , bricks and wood cannot be a harlot) played the harlot often! BUT BUT BUT! Let us look at the title splashed on that womans' head!

"5 And upon her forehead was a name written, Mystery, Babylon The Great, The Mother Of Harlots And Abominations Of The Earth."

Mystery Babylon IS the MOTHER of Harlots and not just one of many harlots. SHE birthed false religious systems. And that is Ancient Babylon that gave birth to teh false religious systems and began with Nimrod and Semiramis!

Israel often played the harlot by fornicating with this religious system found in the many pagan nations around them.

Remember the woman o the beast is THE MOTHER of all harlots and abominations.

Israel partook of already existing harlotry and abominations.

nolidad said:

And see I have no problem recognizing that Jerusalem ( the people , bricks and wood cannot be a harlot) played the harlot often! BUT BUT BUT! Let us look at the title splashed on that womans' head!

"5 And upon her forehead was a name written, Mystery, Babylon The Great, The Mother Of Harlots And Abominations Of The Earth."

Mystery Babylon IS the MOTHER of Harlots and not just one of many harlots. SHE birthed false religious systems. And that is Ancient Babylon that gave birth to teh false religious systems and began with Nimrod and Semiramis!

Israel often played the harlot by fornicating with this religious system found in the many pagan nations around them.

Remember the woman o the beast is THE MOTHER of all harlots and abominations.

Israel partook of already existing harlotry and abominations.

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Who can be a greater harlot than the Unfaithful wife of the Living God?

And again no mention in all the theology above of how the institutionalized Christianity 1700 years ago broadsided Jesus and His Gospel of the Kingdom, abandoning representation of Jesus' counter-culture where God's governance was taught to be over the governance of mankind.

The church whored itself to the Roman Empire accepting partnership as a tool of the governance of man, eventually taking over to become an illegitimate king maker itself, merrily building their own kingdom (many in the US to this day) that is until a wound set them back and they were no longer king makers. Now the wound has healed and the two (religion and secular governance) are aligned again in the WEF, and as a result the Kingdom/governance of God has once again been shunned in favour on man's system/governance which is adversarial to the will of God.

parousia70 said:

Who can be a greater harlot than the Unfaithful wife of the Living God?

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I don't have a problem with Israel being the biggest harlot that lived. BUT BUT BUT BUT- Israel is not the MOTHER of all harlots and abominations! She may have been mommies best harlot- but Israel just partook of the false religions that Mommy gave birth to back in Babylon. So how much of a harlot ISrael was is not an issue in defining who is the mother of Israel when she played the harlot!

Oh.

OH.

2 BEASTS.

I thought you said "BREASTS".

My bad.

nolidad said:

but Israel just partook of the false religions that Mommy gave birth to back in Babylon.

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How many false branches similar to the religions of Israel did the church under the governance of man rather than God then spawn?

Valletta said:

How easy it is to demonize those who disagree with you. First, you would not have Revelation and the Bible if not for the Catholic Church. The Catholic Church chose the 73 books of the Bible and gave the world the Bible in the late 300s. It was the Catholic Church that preached the Word of God to the people, translating the Bible into many common tongues and preserving the books of the Bible over all of these centuries. Second, the Vatican sits outside of the ancient walls of Rome, the seven hills of Rome are all within those walls. I believe that the reference is to Jerusalem, but I respect those who think it is the pagan Roman empire.

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The RCC is also responsible for the torture, killing, persecution of countless Christians who did not want to be under the control of the Vatican and RCC management, nor embrace some of it doctrines that incorporated pagan beliefs.

The Pope, the bishop of Rome, declared of himself to be Jesus in the physical absence of Jesus upon this earth. When Jesus returns, physically present, even by Catholic belief, therefore is no longer a need for someone called the Pope.

In spite of all its faults, the RCC holds the Trinity doctrine, which Jesus is God. Any organization declaring Jesus as God will be in serious conflict with the agenda of beast, and the ten EU leaders, so the Vatican will have to be destroyed, in their vision for the world.

nolidad said:

Yes and that city will be Babylon. And as I told you as Satan is the power behind teh Antichrist, Yes Babylon is a loss for him. but you forget that Satan is called the god of this world, not just babylon.

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Yes, Satan is called the god of this world. And in code speak is the King of Babylon, in Isaiah 14.
And in code speak is the King of Tyrus in Ezekiel 28:16-19. And in the mystical, non physical, kingdom of Mystery Babylon the Great is the king of that kingdom overshadowing the world.

timothyu said:

How many false branches similar to the religions of Israel did the church under the governance of man rather than God then spawn?

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Israel didn't spawn any false religions. they went and found all teh false religions that the nations around them were already practising.
Well if you are speaking of teh visible church which includes saved and unsaved- they adapted many pagan concepts and produced gross hybrids

Douggg said:

Yes, Satan is called the god of this world. And in code speak is the King of Babylon, in Isaiah 14.
And in code speak is the King of Tyrus in Ezekiel 28:16-19. And in the mystical, non physical, kingdom of Mystery Babylon the Great is the king of that kingdom overshadowing the world.

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AAH! the old code speak! Why is your secret code book to read the Bible correctly any more accurate than the many others who have their code books and re-interpret this passage different from you according to their codes?

Why not just take God at His Word here? It is not hard and does not need any "special revelations" "code speak" etc. to find out.

I wish all of you who do that kind of stuff would go and read Hal Lindsays "Late Great Planet Earth", David Wilkersons "The Vision" and watch some of Jack Van Impes old end times shows.

Maybe you will earn like I did , that teh more mystical you feel you need to be to "understand the Bible" the more foolsih you make yourself become.

nolidad said:

I don't have a problem with Israel being the biggest harlot that lived. BUT BUT BUT BUT- Israel is not the MOTHER of all harlots and abominations! She may have been mommies best harlot- but Israel just partook of the false religions that Mommy gave birth to back in Babylon. So how much of a harlot ISrael was is not an issue in defining who is the mother of Israel when she played the harlot!

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Mystery Babylon = JERUSALEM/APOSTATE ISRAEL

Mystery Babylon the Mother of Harlots is described by scripture as none other than Jerusalem and Apostate Israel, with her record of violence against all the righteous prophets. The bible clearly identifies her as Jerusalem and Apostate Israel. Let's let scripture interpret scripture for a minute:


MYSTERY BABYLON
Rev. 18:24
And in her was found the blood of prophets...

JERUSALEM
Matthew 23:37
O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee...

Luke 13:33
... for it cannot be that a prophet perish outside of Jerusalem.


MYSTERY BABYLON
Revelation 18:22-23
...and the sound of a millstone shall be heard no more at all in thee; And the light of a candle shall shine no more at all in thee; and the voice of the bridegroom and of the bride shall be heard no more at all in thee: for thy merchants were the great men of the earth; for by thy sorceries were all nations deceived.

JERUSALEM
Jeremiah 25:10-11
Moreover I WILL TAKE FROM THEM the voice of mirth, and the voice of gladness, the voice of the bridegroom, and the voice of the bride, the sound of the millstones, and the light of the candle. And this whole land shall be a desolation, and an astonishment;


MYSTERY BABYLON
Revelation 18:10
Standing afar off for the fear of her torment, saying, Alas, alas, that GREAT CITY Babylon, that mighty city! for in one hour is thy judgment come.

JERUSALEM
Revelation 11:8
And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of THE GREAT CITY, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified. [our Lord died in Jerusalem, of course]


MYSTERY BABYLON -- CLOTHED IN PRIESTLY GARMENTS OF AARONIC PRIESTHOOD
Revelation 17:4, 18:16
And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication ... And saying, Alas, alas, that great city, that was clothed in fine linen, and purple, and scarlet, and decked with gold, and precious stones...


PRIESTLY GARMENTS OF AARONIC PRIESTHOOD
Exodus 28:4-6, 17-20
they shall make holy garments for Aaron thy brother, and his sons, that he may minister
unto me in the priest's office. And they shall take gold, and blue, and purple, and scarlet, and fine linen. And they shall make the ephod of gold of blue, and of purple, of scarlet, and fine twined linen, with skillful work....And thou shalt take two onyx stones, and grave on them the names of the children of Israel...Exodus 28:17 And thou shalt set in it settings of stones, even four rows of stones: the first row shall be a sardius, a topaz, and a carbuncle: this shall be the first row. And the second row shall be an emerald, a sapphire, and a diamond. And the third row a ligure, an agate, and an amethyst. And the fourth row a beryl, and an onyx, and a jasper: they shall be set in gold in their inclosings...

JERUSALEM
Jeremiah 4:30
Though thou clothest thyself with crimson, though thou deckest thee with ornaments of gold, though thou rentest thy face with painting, in vain shalt thou make thyself fair; thy lovers


MYSTERY BABYLON
Revelation 17:5
And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.

JERUSALEM
Jeremiah 3:1
but thou hast played THE HARLOT with many lovers; yet return again to me, saith the LORD.

Jeremiah 3:3
and thou hadst a w-hore's forehead...

Ezekiel 16:35-36
Wherefore, O harlot, hear the word of the LORD: Thus saith the Lord GOD; Because thy filthiness was poured out, and thy nakedness discovered through thy whoredoms with thy lovers, and with all the idols of thy ABOMINATIONS, and by the blood of thy children, which thou didst give unto them;


MYSTERY BABYLON
Revelation 18:20
Rejoice over her, thou heaven, and ye holy apostles and prophets; for God hath avenged you on her.

JERUSALEM/APOSTATE ISRAEL
Luke 11:47
Woe unto you! ... Therefore also said the wisdom of God, I will send them prophets and apostles, and some of them they shall slay and persecute: THAT THE BLOOD OF ALL THE PROPHETS, which was shed from the foundation of the world, may be required of this generation; From the blood of Abel unto the blood of Zacharias, which perished between the altar and the temple: verily I say unto you, IT SHALL BE REQUIRED of this generation.

Folks, anyone reading these passages can plainly see that Jerusalem is the Harlot of Revelation. The removal of the bride and the bridegroom, the sound of the millstones, the sound of joy and mirth and the light of the lamp are all about JERUSALEM. We need only believe what the scripture so clearly teaches.

The cross references in Holy Scripture are so abundant as to leave us without any doubt who is Mystery Babylon -- JERUSALEM AND APOSTATE ISRAEL.

nolidad said:

AAH! the old code speak! Why is your secret code book to read the Bible correctly any more accurate than the many others who have their code books and re-interpret this passage different from you according to their codes?

Why not just take God at His Word here? It is not hard and does not need any "special revelations" "code speak" etc. to find out.

I wish all of you who do that kind of stuff would go and read Hal Lindsays "Late Great Planet Earth", David Wilkersons "The Vision" and watch some of Jack Van Impes old end times shows.

Maybe you will earn like I did , that teh more mystical you feel you need to be to "understand the Bible" the more foolsih you make yourself become.

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You are talking philosophically. I am talking specifics.

nolidad said:

Well if you are speaking of teh visible church which includes saved and unsaved- they adapted many pagan concepts and produced gross hybrids

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They also abandoned the Kingdom to partner with the governance of man over the governance of God. The original sin.

nolidad said:

Israel didn't spawn any false religions. they went and found all teh false religions that the nations around them were already practising.
Well if you are speaking of teh visible church which includes saved and unsaved- they adapted many pagan concepts and produced gross hybrids

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The mother is responsible for all slain upon the earth. Goes back to when Cain slew Abel.

The great harlot (influenced by the mother, I agree) is located in the place of the seven mountains, i.e the Vatican in Rome. Something that can be destroyed by fire by the ten kings, acting upon their view of the world as the beast being God... and not Jesus.

The great harlot is specific, not the collective group of religions having false doctrines.

ewq1938 said:

The ten kings give their kingdoms to the whole beast not to one head of the beast because the beast has 7 heads not only one. The beast does not have 6 bare heads and one head with ten horns.

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Not kingdoms plural, but kingdom.

The one head has the ten horns - because he is the little horn person of Daniel 7 which the ten horns are related to him.

ewq1938 said:

If the heads were also kings then you would have 17 kings forming the Revelation 13:1 beast kingdom. There are not that many kings as part of the one kingdom. The total is actually 11. 10 horn kings and one king over them all.

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The heads are kings in Revelation 13, yes, but only one of the heads is end times. The other heads are former kings of the fourth kingdom.

The beast is the 8th king, having being of the seven other kings, specifically king 7.

The ten kings (the horns) will be subservient to him. He will be the dictator of the EU.

ewq1938 said:

Each horn has a kingdom so ten kingdoms is plural. Naturally a horn can only give their own individual kingdom (singular) but the scripture says all ten give the ten kingdoms.

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The text says "kingdom" singular.

17 For God hath put in their hearts to fulfil his will, and to agree, and give their kingdom unto the beast, until the words of God shall be fulfilled.

ewq1938 said:

The head isn't a "he". The ten horns are spread out within the 7 heads just like the ten states of Rome were spread out in a land area that had 7 hills. Were all the ten states of Rome on one hill? No. Were the hills areas of land or were they kings/rulers? It's the same for the beast with ten horns and 7 heads.

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The text indicates the mortally wounded/but healed head that speaks the great things - is a he.

5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.

The ten horns in Daniel 7 are associated with one specific king - the little horn person.

"Were all the ten states of Rome on one hill? No. Were the hills areas of land or were they kings/rulers? "

What ten states of Rome?