Evidence of Election Fraud

LostMarbels said:

No... exposing and ending a coup.

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Seizing control of the military and courts to...no, this is just too silly

Y'all need to watch star wars

Yttrium said:

Well, that certainly sounds exciting. Also completely unconstitutional. I'd have to say that Trump is a bit more interested in playing golf than engaging in some grand scheme like that.

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Trump has been planning on removing the establishment since he came down the escalator. It's now or never. And the entire world is watching this election debacle. I do not see Trump fading off in to the darkness without attempting to prove there is a coup against him as he stated in the past. I think this is go time.

Triumvirate said:

Seizing control of the military and courts to...no, this is just too silly

Y'all need to watch star wars

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Not seizing control... mediation. I do not know if this is his play or not, but Trump being Trump I guarantee he fully intends on exposing those in the deep state, and he has what... two months? We may need a third party to intervene that has the authority to do so, and review the evidence.

LostMarbels said:

Trump has been planning on removing the establishment since he came down the escalator. It's now or never. And the entire world is watching this election debacle. I do not see Trump fading off in to the darkness without attempting to prove there is a coup against him as he stated in the past. I think this is go time.

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Uh huh. Well, my expectation is that Trump will end his legal battles over the election after December 14th, and leave office after January 20th while still ineffectually declaring that the election was stolen from him. Meanwhile, I hope that his loyal followers around the country will remain calm and avoid shooting anybody.

Yttrium said:

Uh huh. Well, my expectation is that Trump will end his legal battles over the election after December 14th, and leave office after January 20th while still ineffectually declaring that the election was stolen from him. Meanwhile, I hope that his loyal followers around the country will remain calm and avoid shooting anybody.

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I will assure you of one thing... after 4 years of waiting and getting physically and emotional bashed... he had better prove all the smack he's been talking.

LostMarbels said:

No, it will have to be proven or the worlds stage, or the world will never accept it.

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Donald can't even prove his wild tales in American courts; what chance does he have anywhere else?

A move like that with no evidence would have his own supporters knocking down his door.

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You give his supporters too much credit; they'll believe any wild tale he tells.

lasthero said:

If I had to guess, that’s on his YouTube channel - I didn’t even know he had one, and I can imagine many didn’t, either. If you check on other channels where it was streamed, it’s garnered hundreds of thousands of views since it aired. Not bad for a fairly low key address with little fanfare.

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I lost track of this thread a few days ago, but even so...

I saw parts of the Biden Thanksgiving address on a sub-channel of his main YouTube channel. Now what was that channel called...

Oh, yeah, Fox News Channel. Is that channel any good?

At least that's what I thought it was. I was at restaurant and not paying close attention.

Subduction Zone said:

Wrong again. When a person makes extreme claims that person has a burden of proof. And once again, what makes you think that the provenance does not exist? Have you been ignoring corrections again?

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Absolutely.

Since these are almost all tied up in one court case or another where the Trump side are the plaintiffs and State/Local election officials are the defendants, then Trump absolutely has the burden of proof in court.

TLK Valentine said:

Donald can't even prove his wild tales in American courts; what chance does he have anywhere else?



You give his supporters too much credit; they'll believe any wild tale he tells.

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Because its easier that way. Right? I mean, if you don't have specific facts or arguments dealing with specific claims, go to Plan B - a sweeping and broad brush ad hominem against not only Trump, but also tens of millions of Americans.

Unity. Yeah. We can feel the love.

LostMarbels said:

It does not matter that they are laughing. This is Trump. I have no doubt in my mind that this is part of draining the swamp. You know the whole military tribunal thing... mass arrests... so on? Flynn just got pardoned. Soon he will be back in the DOD. He knows where the bodies are buried, that is why they went after him in the first place.

Call me crazy, but I cannot help but see this as the last attempt. The DOD is actually already involved in this. There was also an undercover investigation ongoing during this election to catch foreign interference. I see this getting to the point of being declared as an act of international cyber warfare. This would place the authority outside the courts since it was a direct act of war on America infrastructure, and be place in the DOD. Trump will declare a national defense response... the insurrection act and 14th amendment provisions will be enacted to strip electoral votes from rebelling states. At that point in time all of it will be heard in military court. Even SCOTUS will be presided over concerning an act of war and coup attempt.

I think that is where Trump is trying to go. I think this is his endgame.

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Rather than call you crazy, I'm going to make two main points. First, there was no "undercover investigation." You told me that after the election, that Homeland Security was running it, etc. Instead, Homeland Security told us this was the most secure election in US history, that there was no interference. Specifically this was CISA, a new election monitoring group that is part of Homeland Security, created by a law passed during Trump's administration, with Trump hand picking the leaders of the group. Granted, Trump fired the man he had selected to head the group after the statement came out about it being the most secure election in US history, but it doesn't change the fact that Trump appointed him -- he was the person, and CISA the department, that Trump would have been using for the "undercover investigation."

Two: If the DoD is used because of "international cyber warfare," then it will be to fight in an actual war against the foreign nation that engaged in this cyber warfare. It is not legal to hold military tribunals against US citizens that are not a part of the military. I'd also love to have you show me where in the 14th Amendment and the Inserrection Act it grants the power to "strip electoral votes" from "rebelling states." More to the point, even if there was some cyber fraud (international or not), with some number of election officials involved, that does not equal a "rebelling state."

Instead, what you are describing is literally an illegal coup. Any "crimes" determined by these military tribunals, holding trial over US citizens, would also be seen by other nations as a military coup.

TheBear said:

Because its easier that way. Right? I mean, if you don't have specific facts or arguments dealing with specific claims, go to Plan B - a sweeping and broad brush ad hominem against not only Trump, but also tens of millions of Americans.

Unity. Yeah. We can feel the love.

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You highlighted the issue, just got it backwards. What some here are pointing out is that Trump's lawyers, "don't have specific facts or arguments dealing with specific claims" so instead Trump goes for a "broad brush ad hominem against not only Democrats, but also tens of millions of Americans." There is a reason why Trump's lawyers have stated in court they are not alleging fraud and the fact they keep being kicked out of every court for a lack of evidence.

Now, maybe with their next case to be heard, they'll finally find some claims that have merit. Based on past results, however, it appears that is unlikely.

LostMarbels said:

It does not matter that they are laughing. This is Trump. I have no doubt in my mind that this is part of draining the swamp. You know the whole military tribunal thing... mass arrests... so on? Flynn just got pardoned. Soon he will be back in the DOD. He knows where the bodies are buried, that is why they went after him in the first place.

Call me crazy, but I cannot help but see this as the last attempt. The DOD is actually already involved in this. There was also an undercover investigation ongoing during this election to catch foreign interference. I see this getting to the point of being declared as an act of international cyber warfare. This would place the authority outside the courts since it was a direct act of war on America infrastructure, and be place in the DOD. Trump will declare a national defense response... the insurrection act and 14th amendment provisions will be enacted to strip electoral votes from rebelling states. At that point in time all of it will be heard in military court. Even SCOTUS will be presided over concerning an act of war and coup attempt.

I think that is where Trump is trying to go. I think this is his endgame.

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Where are you getting this and what does it have to do with "election fraud" (the alleged subject of this thread and the topic of the post yours was in reply to)?

There is no military action or insurrection. No foreign actions. This isn't part of some complex Trump scheme. They just wanted to get the courts to invalidate votes so they could win. They failed. Trump will be gone soon.

TheBear said:

Because its easier that way. Right? I mean, if you don't have specific facts or arguments dealing with specific claims, go to Plan B - a sweeping and broad brush ad hominem against not only Trump, but also tens of millions of Americans.

Unity. Yeah. We can feel the love.

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LostMarbels said:

No, it will have to be proven or the worlds stage, or the world will never accept it. A move like that with no evidence would have his own supporters knocking down his door.

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World leaders have called to congratulate Biden on winning the election. They will need proof to accept that fraud was the reason for his win. To date, this proof has been non-existent.

SimplyMe said:

Rather than call you crazy, I'm going to make two main points. First, there was no "undercover investigation." You told me that after the election, that Homeland Security was running it,

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Exactly. But it was unknown to all parties including Trump and was not even sanctioned by Trump. So undercover is not a stretch. It being a sting operation targeting Biden is a stretch.

SimplyMe said:

Two: If the DoD is used because of "international cyber warfare," then it will be to fight in an actual war against the foreign nation that engaged in this cyber warfare. It is not legal to hold military tribunals against US citizens that are not a part of the military. I'd also love to have you show me where in the 14th Amendment and the Inserrection Act it grants the power to "strip electoral votes" from "rebelling states." More to the point, even if there was some cyber fraud (international or not), with some number of election officials involved, that does not equal a "rebelling state."

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Yet again, you seem to continuously ignore the whole coup thing unless claiming it is Trump. US citizens become enemy combatants once they engage against the US.

And I am not trying to prove this as a fact certain event.

SimplyMe said:

More to the point, even if there was some cyber fraud (international or not), with some number of election officials involved, that does not equal a "rebelling state."

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And again... a coup is. You keep forgetting that is what is being discussed just like people forget all the fraud when they talk about the election. This isn't just some normal random decision to do this.

SimplyMe said:

Instead, what you are describing is literally an illegal coup. Any "crimes" determined by these military tribunals, holding trial over US citizens, would also be seen by other nations as a military coup.

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There has to be a point of mediation. The democrats cannot be allowed to run a four-year-long coup attempt and just get away with it; after now stealing an election to boot. Business does not just go back to normal. The democrats do not get to block every legal option and still get into office. Mediation, the courts, war... I do not know how this has to go down but Biden is NOT getting into office as it stands.

whatbogsends said:

World leaders have called to congratulate Biden on winning the election. They will need proof to accept that fraud was the reason for his win. To date, this proof has been non-existent.

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Who cares about the leaders? This is a populist movement. It is anti-establishment... anti-elite.

TLK Valentine said:

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Nice rick and morty reference.

LostMarbels said:

Exactly. But it was unknown to all parties including Trump and was not even sanctioned by Trump. So undercover is not a stretch. It being a sting operation targeting Biden is a stretch.



Yet again, you seem to continuously ignore the whole coup thing unless claiming it is Trump. US citizens become enemy combatants once they engage against the US.

And I am not trying to prove this as a fact certain event.



And again... a coup is. You keep forgetting that is what is being discussed just like people forget all the fraud when they talk about the election. This isn't just some normal random decision to do this.



There has to be a point of mediation. The democrats cannot be allowed to run a four-year-long coup attempt and just get away with it; after now stealing an election to boot. Business does not just go back to normal. The democrats do not get to block every legal option and still get into office. Mediation, the courts, war... I do not know how this has to go down but Biden is NOT getting into office as it stands.

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Just promise you aren’t going to commit an act of treason when Biden is inaugurated.

GreatLakes4Ever said:

Just promise you aren’t going to commit an act of treason when Biden is inaugurated.

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That is sick. I would never accuse you of such a thing, nor would I ever act against this country.

LostMarbels said:

Who cares about the leaders? This is a populist movement. It is anti-establishment... anti-elite.

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Don't forget anti-evidence.