If God is all knowing, why did He create ....

Jaxxi said:

you mean like the Book of Enoch? Do you think that book is Holy as well? It was a Dead Sea Scroll wasn't it? They should have not been selective about the books and just translated what was found as it is and let us have it. All of it so there wouldn't be so many unanswered questions. Like what are Nephilim, and where are they now? How are they coming back?

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The Old Testament is JEWISH and the Christian Church accepted this, because Jesus Christ did. So what if the DSS has 1000 books in it? What difference does this make? The 1st Century Jews OT is exactly as the Bible used by the greater majority of the Church today, and books like Enoch are not part of it. What Bible do you use?

Bond-servant of Christ said:

the Jews never, not even today, believe that ANY book other then the OT, is Inspired by God, so your argument is moot here. As for the NT 27, I believe that your own Bible has the same Books, so are you saying that the Catholic bible has it wrong?

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Really, so why do they celebrate Hannukah especially when that is from the Macabees?

You didn't get my question, i'm asking you why do you believe in the 27 NT books, with all the things you've said against tradition? Who/where did you come to the conclusion that it is only 27 composing of Matt until Revelation?

Cis.jd said:

Really, so why do they celebrate Hannukah especially when that is from the Macabees?

You didn't get my question, i'm asking you why do you believe in the 27 NT books, with all the things you've said against tradition? Who/where did you come to the conclusion that it is only 27 composing of Matt until Revelation?

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Do you know what Hanukkah is for? let me tell you. Hanukkah was instituted by Judah Maccabees in 165 BCE, after he defeated Antiochus IV Epiphanes. This took place after the Old Testament Canon had closed, and is celebrated by Jews since then, not because of the OT, but this victory they had under Judah Maccabees. The book of Maccabees records this, this does not mean that it is inspired as I have already said, the Jews never included this book in their OT Canon. So your argument here is pointless.

I am of the strong belief, that God the Holy Spirit guided Athanasius, who was Bishop of Alexandria, in the 4th century to close the Canon of the New Testament, with the 27 Books as only Inspired by God. This has got nothing to do with church "tradition", but historical fact. Since Catholics, Orthodox, and Protestants, etc, accept these 27 Books as only Inspired by God the Holy Spirit in the NT, there is no valid argument here for you. It is the OT extra books that are not not part of the Bible the Jews have used for thousands of years, and only added by the Roman church to support their unbiblical teachings like purgatory, which is not in the entire Bible as Inspired by God, but in the book of Maccabees!

Jaxxi said:

I think it makes a BIG difference because the Nephilim are the reason God flooded the earth and it says they are coming back- but I am not sure who or what they are!!

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what makes a "BIG difference"? our knowledge from the Bible about who the "Nephilim" are, is only found in 2 places, Genesis 6:4, and Numbers 13:33. All that the Hebrew word tells is, is as translated in versions like KJV, "giants", and the passage in Numbers says that they were very big people, "And there we saw the Nephilim, the sons of Anak, who come of the Nephilim: and we were in our own sight as grasshoppers, and so we were in their sight." Who said that "says they are coming back"? it really does not matter to us or our faith, to know exactly who they were, any more than what the "Behemoth" is in Job 40?

Bond-servant of Christ said:

because IF you were to read your Bible, you will see, IF the Holy Spirit is guiding you, that your thinking is WRONG! NO ONE has any "right" to ask these things of Almighty God. It is like asking, "where did sin originate from". These are "OUT OF BOUNDS! questions!

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Hearing someone say something like this is disconcerting to me. Our questions are not too big for God. I've heard far too many testimonies from people that eventually walked away from the faith because they had their earnest, honest questions ignored and were told to "just believe" or that they had "no right" to ask questions.

This is one of the absolute worst things you could say to someone who is honestly seeking for answers.

In fact, I wonder just how deep, and real, and honest a person's faith is who hasn't gone through any periods of asking God deep, honest questions.

Jaxxi said:

True but none of us are worthy to sit at the table with Our Lord. Does God know what we think about? I mean do you think He knows when we are sending Him love and thinking of Him?

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God, by His very nature possesses certain attributes such as Omniscience (all knowing), Omnipotence (all powerful), Immutable (His perfect character never changes), and Omnipresence (Nothing is hidden from Him).

You can be sure that God is aware of your heart, your intentions, and your thoughts at all times.

SPF said:

people that eventually walked away from the faith

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If they walked away from "the Faith", then they were probably never even saved in the first place. Christianity requires much "Faith" and less "reason", as the Bible says, "And without faith it is impossible to please him, for whoever would draw near to God must believe that He exists and that he rewards those who seek him." (Hebrews 11:6). The very existence of the God of the Bible can never be "proved" to out human logic, and must be believed upon and accepted on what the Infallible Word of God, the Holy Bible says. There are areas, like the "origin of sin", and even the "fall of mankind", are not "logical", and will never be fully understood this side of heaven. Neither is it wise for anyone to probe too deep into such issues, where the Bible is not telling us much, as we have no need to know. Always remember Deuteronomy 29:29, "The LORD our God has secrets known to no one. We are not accountable for them, but we and our children are accountable forever for all that he has revealed to us, so that we may obey all the terms of these instructions."

Jaxxi said:

Lucifer who would eventually trick billions of people to go to hell? Lucifer tricks humans through any activity that does not glorify God, through vanity,( if you wear makeup, false nails or jewelry you are going to hell unless you repent and stop), video games, cartoons, secular music, movies, profanity, etc. In fact, all the things in our culture the devil has tricked us into thinking they are no big deal- will land us in hell unless we repent. Taking birth control, smoking, using hair dye, wearing tight clothing, are all displeasing to God. So why would God create and allow this creature to wreck havoc on mankind if He loves us? I have posted a video below..

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Just the fact of God creating rational beings with the gift of free will presents a risk, because those limited, finite, beings now have the profound ability to oppose His, perfect, will. And that potential is the potential for evil. We don’t need to blame Lucifer for it all; he was just the first to fall in a sense. Neither “The devil made me do it”, or “God made me do it”, or “Anyone else made me do it”, are ever perfectly complete and honest statements or excuses.
“When tempted, no one should say, “God is tempting me.” For God cannot be tempted by evil, nor does he tempt anyone; but each person is tempted when they are dragged away by their own evil desire and enticed.” James 1:13-14

The point is that our abuse of the good gift of free will is the origin of evil. That gift can be used for good; we can choose good over evil, moving closer to God and love, or we can choose evil, moving away from God and towards darkness.

It’s a struggle, but a good one. Love, at the end of the day, is a choice, the choice for humans, fulfilled as we fulfill the Greatest Commandments with the help of grace. That’s the goal, regardless of any temptation we might experience emanating from whatever source that tries to sway us away from that most basic obligation for man.

The gift of free will that gives us this choice with it’s unimaginably good eternal consequences is a good gift, a very good one even if it can also be used wrongly, with harmful and dire consequences. And even knowing that evil would occur as a result of bestowing this gift on certain created beings, God still deemed it worthwhile to create as He did, planning to bring an even greater good at the end of the day out of the evil that resulted.

Bond-servant of Christ said:

If they walked away from "the Faith", then they were probably never even saved in the first place.

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Probably not, but I can tell you jerk Christians who told them to stuff their questions and that they had "no right" to ask God something they didn't understand or that a question was "out of bounds" as if our questions that stem from our finite, limited understanding could somehow be just too offensive to God are the ones in the wrong, not the honest questioner.

Again, I personally would question the Christian who's faith is so shallow they haven't wrestled with tough questions.

Bond-servant of Christ said:

There are areas, like the "origin of sin", and even the "fall of mankind", are not "logical", and will never be fully understood this side of heaven.

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Here you're incorrect. Nothing about what God does or is, is illogical. God's ways are certainly not our ways, and I certainly don't understand a lot of why God operates the way He does, but nothing, and I mean nothing He does or is, is illogical. Beyond understanding? Sure. Illogical, no.

SPF said:

Probably not, but I can tell you jerk Christians who told them to stuff their questions and that they had "no right" to ask God something they didn't understand or that a question was "out of bounds" as if our questions that stem from our finite, limited understanding could somehow be just too offensive to God are the ones in the wrong, not the honest questioner.

Again, I personally would question the Christian who's faith is so shallow they haven't wrestled with tough questions.

Here you're incorrect. Nothing about what God does or is, is illogical. God's ways are certainly not our ways, and I certainly don't understand a lot of why God operates the way He does, but nothing, and I mean nothing He does or is, is illogical. Beyond understanding? Sure. Illogical, no.

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illogical to the human mind. if you can't understand what I write!

Bond-servant of Christ said:

illogical to the human mind. if you can't understand what I write!

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No, not illogical to the human mind either. I don't think perhaps you actually understand what the term "illogical" means. And honestly, that's OK because you probably have no philosophical education, it's an easy mistake to make.

Is God "mystery"? Yes. Is God's being itself beyond our capacity to fully understand and comprehend? Absolutely.

Is anything God does, or is, illogical? No. For God is not an illogical God.

Synonyms for illogical would be senseless, or irrational, fallacious, illegitimate - none of these things describe God.

God is purposeful, intentional, and rational in all He does. Does that mean that we will always understand what He does and why He does it? Absolutely not. A finite being can never fully understand an infinite being. But we can know that one thing God is not, is illogical.

Jaxxi said:

Lucifer who would eventually trick billions of people to go to hell? Lucifer tricks humans through any activity that does not glorify God, through vanity,( if you wear makeup, false nails or jewelry you are going to hell unless you repent and stop), video games, cartoons, secular music, movies, profanity, etc. In fact, all the things in our culture the devil has tricked us into thinking they are no big deal- will land us in hell unless we repent. Taking birth control, smoking, using hair dye, wearing tight clothing, are all displeasing to God. So why would God create and allow this creature to wreck havoc on mankind if He loves us? I have posted a video below..

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I'd not be so quick to believe all that stuff you mentioned.

That sort of talk makes me think either 1) The person issuing those commands is trying to control or manipulate me, 2) They are trying to be superior to others in their own eyes.

Either way - I wouldn't trust someone giving that kind of advice. By all means hear them out - try to understand what motivates them - but don't jump right in and believe all that talk.

To answer your question - I can't firstly agree to the premise' given

Bond-servant of Christ said:

Do you know what Hanukkah is for? let me tell you. Hanukkah was instituted by Judah Maccabees in 165 BCE, after he defeated Antiochus IV Epiphanes. This took place after the Old Testament Canon had closed, and is celebrated by Jews since then, not because of the OT, but this victory they had under Judah Maccabees. The book of Maccabees records this, this does not mean that it is inspired as I have already said, the Jews never included this book in their OT Canon. So your argument here is pointless.

I am of the strong belief, that God the Holy Spirit guided Athanasius, who was Bishop of Alexandria, in the 4th century to close the Canon of the New Testament, with the 27 Books as only Inspired by God. This has got nothing to do with church "tradition", but historical fact. Since Catholics, Orthodox, and Protestants, etc, accept these 27 Books as only Inspired by God the Holy Spirit in the NT, there is no valid argument here for you. It is the OT extra books that are not not part of the Bible the Jews have used for thousands of years, and only added by the Roman church to support their unbiblical teachings like purgatory, which is not in the entire Bible as Inspired by God, but in the book of Maccabees!

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Yes I know what it is for, and I know what it is about and it's origins. It's entire profile is the Maccabees and the Jews cite this book during the holiday.

Now you admit that the 27 books where canon, but what you seem to dance around with is the fact that these 27 books are proof of the necessity of Tradition as part of the Faith and not Scripture Slone because the scriptures being kept at 27 is passed down. In short it's been taught.

Martin Luther wanted to remove Hebrews, James, Jude and Revelation from the Bible under the exact same reasoning you are giving towards the Deuterocanon - and because they supported Catholic teachings. Why aren't you also criticizing those 4 books the same way you've been criticized as the Deuterocanon?

God is All Know, He "formed the light, and created darkness". Meaning everything is going according to plan. God is in complete control.

https://letterpile.com/religion/An-Understanding-of-Love

G-d allows us to be tested, because it's how we grow. When we make right choices, or wrong choices and then correct for them, we grow. Why grow? Because we are finite and G-d wants to give us incredible blessings that if we were to receive them in our smallish vessel, we'd burst. Hence why he sends us here to grow to become an even greater vessel for his blessings in the World to Come. Also, we come here to this World of Falsehood in order to earn whatever our eternal rewards will be - for G-d himself knows that we would feel grossly inadequate (and terribly embarrassing in the World to Come forever) if he rewarded us for doing absolutely nothing, and so then he loves us enough to allow us to earn, however imperfectly, the amazing reward that "no eye has seen, and no ear has heard what G-d has in store for the saints."

So get your prep gear on (prayers, charity, and good deeds), and go out in to the World fixing anything and everything you can for His glory.

Lucifer is merely an instrument in G-d's hand to bring us the test we so desperately need before our 120 years is up and we can no longer make choices in the darkness, for then everything will be light and there will be no falsehoods from which we can deceive ourselves and make wrong choices. Be thankful we have such an adversary, and such a world where G-d hides himself, without which we would not be challenged to resist and thus grow, and thus not be embarrassed to not have done anything remotely worthy for even just one of all the incredible blessings G-d has in store for us in the World to Come.

God gave the free will to all existence. So to him. He chose to become what he is now. If he would ask, I think God would chose how he should repent. But we all know he will not ask for repentance. Especially not now when he must be thinking how everything is going to the plan. Pride is the first and foremost sin. We all have it, and keep fighting it throughout our whole life.

Jaxxi said:

Lucifer who would eventually trick billions of people to go to hell? Lucifer tricks humans through any activity that does not glorify God, through vanity,( if you wear makeup, false nails or jewelry you are going to hell unless you repent and stop), video games, cartoons, secular music, movies, profanity, etc. In fact, all the things in our culture the devil has tricked us into thinking they are no big deal- will land us in hell unless we repent. Taking birth control, smoking, using hair dye, wearing tight clothing, are all displeasing to God. So why would God create and allow this creature to wreck havoc on mankind if He loves us? I have posted a video below..

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This life is a vineyard. We were put here to be refined to live everlasting life with God. God can't except you if you are going to go bad. The devil is used to test us. Are you going to be good or are you going to be bad? There are only two spirits to follow. Either the Holy spirit are a fallen spirit. After you have chosen to follow the Holy Spirit for sure, then God is able to welcome you into his Kingdom forever. You see how some of the angels left there dwelling place in heaven to disobey and sin. Chose to follow the Holy Spirit.

Jaxxi said:

Lucifer who would eventually trick billions of people to go to hell? Lucifer tricks humans through any activity that does not glorify God, through vanity,( if you wear makeup, false nails or jewelry you are going to hell unless you repent and stop), video games, cartoons, secular music, movies, profanity, etc. In fact, all the things in our culture the devil has tricked us into thinking they are no big deal- will land us in hell unless we repent. Taking birth control, smoking, using hair dye, wearing tight clothing, are all displeasing to God. So why would God create and allow this creature to wreck havoc on mankind if He loves us? I have posted a video below..

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Lucifer does not trick anyone to go to hell. He simply provides lies men wish to shield their resistance with because in their hearts they have already rejected God.

God's drawing of man comes first. Satan's 'tricks' are in response to God's drawing.

Rom 1:18-23 reveals how God's drawing of men begins.

I have another question to ask. Why are more people going to hell, when the power of Christ's blood is mightier than Adam's sin?

FirstbornMiddleChild said:

I have another question to ask. Why are more people going to hell, when the power of Christ's blood is mightier than Adam's sin?

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Hello,
Because most choose to follow the flesh rather than the Spirit.