Of course that's the claim but there's a thousand ways to rebuttal this.
And I have yet to hear one of the thousand that convinces me the claim is wrong.
Some of them have warped values not applying caring about people when it comes to the unborn? No offence AJ but what sort of statement is that?
Offense is most definitely taken because you left out the first sentence of that paragraph which puts these words you quoted in context. I started by saying "On the left, they care more about putting people first." What you're quoting is my explanation of why I say they care "more" and not "completely" about putting people first. I'm not making a blanket statement because there are those on the left who do care about stopping most abortions, even if we are minority. It's no different from what I said about "most" people on the right being for what they're for. But you clearly, intentionally omitted that part of what I said to give the other sentence a different spin. So offense is greatly taken and even more so because you actually said "no offense" which makes it clear to me that you understood it was offensive enough that you had to make such a disclaimer.
Not caring about the UNBORN is IN their platform....THEIR PLATFORM. When one chooses by an act of their will to join with them and sign on to their platform why should such an individual not think they've become an abortionist themselves? I think people can seek to whitewash this as much as they like but one's vote for them is a force which enables.
"The Left" doesn't have a platform. Just as the right doesn't have a platform. Democratic party, Republican party, Green party, Libertarian party ,etc. all have platforms but "the left" and "the right" do not.
If a vote for a certain party or candidate "is a force which enables" then those voting for candidates who run on platforms of worshiping idols (i.e. America, the flag) and exploiting the poor, sick, needy, etc. and literally killing Christians are just as guilty as anyone who votes for a candidate who runs on the platform incuding abortion rights. Go ahead and admit your guilt to that and I'll take your accusation seriously; otherwise, it sounds like just a convenient issue for you to take a stand to criticize.
The overall caring for people you say. Might I suggest God can take care of the overall caring of people especially when you want to balance it off with what maybe you should consider is murder.
Might I suggest God can take care of the unborn? He does it every day - thousands of babies born every day whom God has seen through their term into birth. Are you saying God is incapable of taking care of the unborn and we must all put every other issue aside and create man-made laws against abortion?
And I don't believe abortion is murder, and I'm sure you do not either, and I'm sure that almost all anti-anortion folks do not truly consider it "murder".
Do you really consider it such AJ? It seems you put abortion in such a kind, soft way....as putting it down as well just not caring about people as they should. Do you as a Christian not label it with the M word...YES or NO?
I already said I don't consider abortion to be murder; I consider some abortions to be akin to murder but I definitely do not consider any and all abortions to be murder. Do you REALLY consider any and all abortion to be murder? Be honest in your answer; I honestly don't think you really do and it's just rhetoric you've learned from the "pro-life[sic]" agenda's propaganda.
The only way it seems that I put abortion in a warm, soft way i is by your misquoting me (out of context) and spinning it and applying those words "warm and soft" here. Highly offensive and much offense is indeed taken by me because I'm sure you know just what you're doing and it's your plan to misrepresent and deceive.
And no, as a Christian I do NOT label abortion as "murder" just as I don't label killing as "murder" (and neither do you).
With all due respect I think you do have a good heart in wanting to see people's social economic situations improved. I think you fail to see the wrong however of wealth confiscation from people who didn't earn it and making them surrender it by force.
You're right, I do fail to see what you call "wealth confiscation" as wrong. For one thing, I do not see taxation as "wealth confiscation" which is another way of calling taxation "stealing". I believe in God's Word which states clearly in Romans 13 that taxation is owed to the earthly governmental authority that is God's minister of authority and justice over us and has an absolute right to collect taxes from us in order to pay for that service. I believe they do have the right to use the force which God has given them the authority to have.
I also believe that "wealth" is not equal to "money" because God's Word clearly teaches me this. I am told by God directly that earthly material possessions and money are temporary and have no real value. I am instructed to lay up my treasures in heaven and not on earth. I am told to seek first the Kingdom of God and His Righteousness and THEN all other things are ADDED to that. I am told explicitly that God cares for us and will meet our needs, even if He doesn't always meet our fleshly wants, so I should take no worry for material "wealth".
Are we reading the same Bible? Do you see these instructions? Where are you seeing in God's Word anything about accumulating financial wealth as a way to serve God? Where are you finding anything in God's Word that says a government collecting taxes is some form of theft?? I'm not seeing any of that in God's Word, I'm seeing more of the opposite.
How wealthy was Jesus? Did he have a house? Was it a big nice house or a small, cheap, shack? When asked about paying taxes, where did Jesus say "For the confiscation of thy wealth by Caesar is tyranny and of the Devil, do not allow Caesar to take thy coins but yea, rise up with they sword and rebel against the tyranny of forced wealth confiscation"???
You fail to appreciate as well that if you had less taxation people have more money to bless the poor themselves and have them do so out of a willing heart.
Because of the system that God has put us under in the USA, we can have a voice and input as to the amount and structure of taxation and I have no problem with that. It is perfectly appropriate to support a candidate, party, ideology, etc. that calls for taxing people in a different way, be it more or less, or taxing these people or those people, etc. But in the end if taxation is not recognized as something authorized by God which Christians are commanded to respect and obey with a cheerful heart as a way to serve the Lord then I have a huge problem with that. And that's the huge problem I have with today's political right, with all their rhetoric of taxation being "forced confiscation" and "theft" and "tyranny". From God's Word I directly know that such rhetoric is completely against God.
You speak of what your Holy Spirit convection is. Mine is somewhat different than yours. One of us therefore must be mistaken and good people can make mistakes. The question is which one has. True humility would be to say I'll never give up seeking to get the right feel from the Spirit. No condemnation but God am I missing something. Something we all need to pray. God Bless.
I'm glad you show here a spirit of wanting to be humble and seek Truth. Yes, one of us must be mistaken. Perhaps (and most likely) we each are mistaken to some extent and have yet to learn more. What I do know, however, is that my conscience, the Holy Spirit, guides me and that this guidance is then reinforced by reading God's Word which is Perfect and Holy. Many people have a conscience of some sort but if and when it doesn't align with God's Word then it must be called into question.
I do not make an idol of the flag. I do not make an idol of my country. I do not make an idol of mammon. I do not throw up my hands and say "God can take care of people!" and give up on always trying to do what's best for people because God has shown me in His Word that my life as a Christian is to SERVE all other people, as Christ did, as a big part of evangelizing.
I work for a major Wall St. investment bank. I have investments in equities, funds, real estate, etc. I make a living helping my company create wealth. I understand very well the world of finance, financial wealth, investment, profits, etc. and I myself profit from it. But I am well aware this is not my own doing - it is God who gives me everything. My job of over a decade with this firm can be gone tomorrow, literally. My accumulated financial wealth, investments, etc. can be gone in a blink of an eye, especially if I lost my job. My health insurance could be gone also which in turn can ruin me financially, driving me into bankruptcy to pay medical costs (and that can even happy WITH the insurance). Al lthose things are under God's control, in the end. Why should I want to keep a fellow person from getting quality health care which we have abundanly in this nation so that I can save a few dollars today?
Those dollars aren't mine anyway - they are the LORD's.
Do you believe your financial and material wealth is your own? Do you believe you must guard it because it's yours? Is that where your fear of losing financial and material wealth stems from? Do you believe you even actually have the ability to guard your own financial/material wealth?
Or do you recognize wealth as truly being non-material? Do you worry little about material things because your treasures are in heaven? Do you serve others and sacrifice for others because your reward is in doing the Lord's Work? Or do you prefer to just worry about keeping what is "yours"?
I think you and the right have a fundamentally different perspective which is based on materialism and mammon. Yes, good people and Christians can be mistaken. I just see that as a massive mistake when people put mammon over the lives of their fellow man, in light of what the Bible clearly teaches us.