When did Nero receive a deadly wound?

Yes, I see him as suffering a mortal head wound and then some demonic spirits from the bottomless pit indwells him. Satan gives him his authority, but Satan is not confined in the bottomless pit, so I do not see why Satan would limit himself this way.

This has to happen before the pit is opened, or this makes no sense. I Use to think Satan indwelt him, but it doesn't seem like it from these verses, and I'm changing my mind on this-unless I'm missing something?

3I saw one of his heads as if it had been slain, and his fatal wound was healed. And the whole earth was amazed and followed after the beast; 4they worshiped the dragon because he gave his authority to the beast; and they worshiped the beast, saying, “Who is like the beast, and who is able to wage war with him?” 5There was given to him a mouth speaking arrogant words and blasphemies, and authority to act for forty-two months was given to him. 6And he opened his mouth in blasphemies against God, to blaspheme His name and His tabernacle, that is, those who dwell in heaven.

1Now we request you, brethren, with regard to the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together to Him, 2that you not be quickly shaken from your composure or be disturbed either by a spirit or a message or a letter as if from us, to the effect that the day of the Lord has come. 3Let no one in any way deceive you, for it will not come unless the apostasy comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction, 4who opposes and exalts himself above every so-called god or object of worship, so that he takes his seat in the temple of God, displaying himself as being God.

8“The beast that you saw was, and is not, and is about to come up out of the abyss and go to destruction. And those who dwell on the earth, whose name has not been written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, will wonder when they see the beast, that he was and is not and will come.

1Then the fifth angel sounded, and I saw a star from heaven which had fallen to the earth; and the key of the bottomless pit was given to him.

11They have as king over them, the angel of the abyss; his name in Hebrew is Abaddon,[destroyer] and in the Greek he has the name Apollyon.[destroyer]

3And I saw coming out of the mouth of the dragon and out of the mouth of the beast and out of the mouth of the false prophet, three unclean spirits like frogs; 14for they are spirits of demons, performing signs, which go out to the kings of the whole world, to gather them together for the war of the great day of God, the Almighty.

wisdompersonified said:

I know some like to claim Nero is the Beast from Revelation 13 but that view makes no sense.

When did Nero receive a deadly wound then continue for 42 months?

5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.

The Beast was given power to continue for 42 months. Again, when did this occur with Nero?

A key that the John was having visions of the future is he talks about the world seeing these things.

3 And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast.

The same thing occurred with the Two Witnesses

Revelation 11

9 And they of the people and kindreds and tongues and nations shall see their dead bodies three days and an half, and shall not suffer their dead bodies to be put in graves.

10 And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them, and make merry, and shall send gifts one to another; because these two prophets tormented them that dwelt on the earth.

Again, in order for the world to see their dead bodies lying in the street for 3 days and for people to send gifts to each other in 3 days, can only be explained by today's technology.

It also says the Beast from the Earth came up after the Beast from the sea and held the same position and authority. This sounds more like a Vice President not another Caesar.

11 And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.

12 And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.

Again, this sounds nothing like Nero. This would mean that Galba who was the Emporer after Nero, would have had to do several things.

First, he would cause people that dwell on the earth to worship Nero. Galba was part of the rebellion against Nero.

A rebellion against Nero was orchestrated by Gaius Julius Vindex in Gaul on the anniversary of the death of Nero's mother, Agrippina the Younger, in 68. Shortly afterwards Galba, in rebellion against Nero, rejected the title "General of Caesar" in favor of "General of the Senate and People of Rome". He was supported by the imperial official Tigellinus. On 8 June 68 another imperial official, Nymphidius Sabinus, falsely announced to the Praetorian Guard that Nero had fled to Egypt, and the Senate proclaimed Galba emperor. Nero then committed assisted suicide with help from his secretary.[15]

Galba - Wikipedia

Again, it sounds like the first beast retired or finished his term and the beast from the earth did these things in the sight of the first beast.

14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.

When did this happen? How could Galba do these things in the sight of Nero and Nero was dead? When did Galba make an image to Nero in the sight of Nero?

15 And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.

When did Galba create a statue or picture of Nero that could speak? When did he force everyone to worship this image of Nero?

This sounds like John may have seen a future statue or picture of the first beast like Presidents do with the President before them. He could mistake the image as speaking because when you push a button next to the image you here one of his speeches. He would have been looking at modern tech but he would have no idea about the tech. He would just think the image was speaking.

16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:

17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

When did Galba do this?

I agree 666 or 616 might mean Nero but Nero reincarnated or the spirit of Nero in someones body. It's not talking about Nero back then because nothing about the Beast of the earth or the sea has anything to do with Nero historically.

Here's a recreation of what some think Nero looked like. Does it look familiar?

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Revelation 13:3
Berean Study Bible
One of the heads of the beast appeared to be mortally wounded. But the mortal wound was healed, and the whole world marveled and followed the beast.

Nero is dead and in his grave.

wisdompersonified said:

I know some like to claim Nero is the Beast from Revelation 13 but that view makes no sense.

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It's not Nero. It will be some end times person.

Douggg said:

It's not Nero. It will be some end times person.

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So was wanting to know what you thought of what I posted above. It seems the spirit that indwells him is the king from the bottomless pit. The destroyer. Probably a very bad demon from the first world.

Running2win said:

So was wanting to know what you thought of what I posted above. It seems the spirit that indwells him is the king from the bottomless pit. The destroyer. Probably a very bad demon from the first world.

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There are two angels in Revelation 9. One is the falling star (Satan). The other is the angel of the bottomless pit. Abaddon. Abaddon is an angel who is the king over the flesh eating creatures, apparently instructing them who it is possible for them to attack.

I don't think that Abaddon is the overall ruler of the bottomless pit.

Douggg said:

There are two angels in Revelation 9. One is the falling star (Satan). The other is the angel of the bottomless pit. Abaddon. Abaddon is an angel who is the king over the flesh eating creatures, apparently instructing them who it is possible for them to attack.

I don't think that Abaddon is the overall ruler of the bottomless pit.

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1They have as king over them, the angel of the abyss; his name in Hebrew is Abaddon, and in the Greek he has the name Apollyon. (destruction & destroyer)

Just like there are kings over kingdoms on earth, this one is over the pit. Interesting one of the beasts names is. Since each has a demon (Rev 16:13), it seems like this is the linkage.

Let no one in any way deceive you, for it will not come unless the apostasy comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction,

8“The beast that you saw was, and is not, and is about to come up out of the abyss and go to destruction. And those who dwell on the earth, whose name has not been written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, will wonder when they see the beast, that he was and is not and will come.

Running2win said:

1They have as king over them, the angel of the abyss; his name in Hebrew is Abaddon, and in the Greek he has the name Apollyon. (destruction & destroyer)

Just like there are kings over kingdoms on earth, this one is over the pit. Interesting one of the beasts names is. Since each has a demon (Rev 16:13), it seems like this is the linkage.

Let no one in any way deceive you, for it will not come unless the apostasy comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction,

8“The beast that you saw was, and is not, and is about to come up out of the abyss and go to destruction. And those who dwell on the earth, whose name has not been written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, will wonder when they see the beast, that he was and is not and will come.

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Abaddon (trumpet 6) does not come out of the bottomless pit - until after the little horn person has already become the beast, possessed.

The timing of the last two trumpets (trumpet 6 Abaddon and 7) is nearer to the end of the 7 years. Over three years, thereabouts, after the person has become the beast, possessed.

Douggg said:

Abaddon (trumpet 6) does not come out of the bottomless pit - until after the little horn person has already become the beast, possessed.

The timing of the last two trumpets (trumpet 6 Abaddon and 7) is nearer to the end of the 7 years. Over three years, thereabouts, after the person has become the beast, possessed.

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I agree the the trumpets are in the last year of the 70th week, but the 5th trumpet releases the locusts only- it is unlocked at this time. It names the king of the pit, but this does not mean the king has to still be there.

Locust don't need a king. Of course these are demons, but they already have their marching orders, they will act as one unit.

It seems like at the 6th bowl the demons come out of all three anyway. What do you make of this? It seems like the dragon (Satan) has a demon too.


24Four things are small on the earth,
But they are exceedingly wise:

25The ants are not a strong people,
But they prepare their food in the summer;

26The shephanim are not mighty people,
Yet they make their houses in the rocks;

27The locusts have no king,
Yet all of them go out in ranks;

Nero had his own neck cut, he attempted to take his own life but was unable to bring himself to commit to it, and so had his personal secretary do it for him.

I think the more interesting question concerns the question of Nero Redivivus--Nero revived. How did the beast who suffered the mortal wound come back to life. It obviously can't mean literally, if Nero is the beast he obviously didn't come back to life literally. Instead I think it would be better understand Nero's revival as the very acts of suffering which the Church was enduring during the time when St. John wrote the Apocalypse.

The general opinion of most scholars is that John wrote the Apocalypse on Patmos sometime during the reign of Domitian, around 96 AD give or take. I don't know how valid it is, but I've also heard that it's possible it may have been written a bit later, say under the reign of Trajan. And one argument I once encountered, but have never heard anywhere else, suggested it may have been written much earlier, possibly under the brief reign of Otho.

At any rate, I would argue that the revival of the beast isn't a literal revival of Nero, but a figurative one; a kind of Nero Redivivus in the form of later persecution and oppression under the yoke of the Roman Empire.

-CryptoLutheran

wisdompersonified said:

Just because he suffered a mortal wound doesn't mean he died and had to "come back to life." It just means he suffered a deadly would. Have you ever heard of soldiers who suffer a deadly wound in war and it looks like they're going to die but they don't? Watch any History Channel show about a war and you will hear these stories. It says:

3 And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast.

It says "as it were wounded to death" not that it was wounded and he died then came back to life.

Ronald Reagan received a deadly wound and it almost killed him.

So the first beast is wounded and he almost dies. They will probably have to revive him in the Hospital several times and the world will hear reports like they called in a Priest to read him his last rites or they have him hooked to a machine to keep him alive but reports say he's brain dead.

Then he will get better and the world will rejoice and reports will say he had a miraculous recovery and Doctors will come on TV and say nobody usually comes back from his injuries.

So the figurative theory, which I've heard only one or twice before, doesn't cut it.

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More to it than Revelation 13:3. XXXX will be killed (Ezekiel 28:1-10) and his soul in hell, for a brief period (Isaiah 14:18-20). His body though not buried.

And in Revelation 17:8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.

XXXX will be killed, but not yet buried before he comes back to life. It appears as though he will sit up in his open casket at the cameras look on - coming back to life.

Which would be validation to them in the world, other than the saints, of his prior claim of having achieved God-hood. And his "gospel" that they can too.

Genesis 3:5 For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.

wisdompersonified said:

Nope,

John is very literal about the Beasts from Revelation 13, the Two Witnesses and the Beast that was, then was not and yet is in Revelation 17.

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"And I saw a beast rising out of the sea, with ten horns and seven heads, with ten diadems on its horns and blasphemous names on its heads. And the beast that I saw was like a leopard; its feet were like a bear's, and its mouth was like a lion's mouth."

Well since it's literal, not figurative. Then I guess you're looking for a seven-headed, ten-horned, sea-leopard with bear feet.

-CryptoLutheran

wisdompersonified said:

Wrong again,

I never said there wasn't symbolism. Just because there's symbolism doesn't mean that the whole chapter is figurative.

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Oh, so it's figurative where you say it's figurative, and literal where you say it's literal. I get it now.

-CryptoLutheran

wisdompersonified said:

There's nothing that implies this at all.

John is very specific when someone dies and comes back to life. With the Two Witnesses, they clearly die and are left dead in the streets for 3 and a half days.

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Yes, it does.

In Revelation 1:4, referring to Jesus...

4 John to the seven churches which are in Asia: Grace be unto you, and peace, from him which is, and which was, and which is to come; and from the seven Spirits which are before his throne;

Then Jesus speaking, He indicates what those phrases mean....

18 I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.


So, in Revelation 17:8b speaking about XXXX, the phrases have the same sort of meaning... was alive, but dies, and comes back to life.

8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.

Them who dwell on the earth shall wonder (except the saints)will see XXXX alive, then killed, then come back to life. It will be the strong delusion that God sends in 2Thessalonians2:11 who believed XXXX's lie about having achieved God-hood in the first place.

wisdompersonified said:

8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.

John is clear here. This was a person who existed(was) and died(is not). The spirit of this beast will inhabit the vessel or beast from Revelation 13.

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Revelation 17:8 is a two part verse...my comments in brackets]

17:8a The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: [the garden of eden serpent, used by Satan]

17:8b and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is. [the end times person, XXXX, used by Satan]


The understanding of Revelation 17:8 is the mystery of the beast [Satan] that the woman was riding. There is also the mystery of the woman [Babylon the Great mother of harlots and abominations on the earth - the mystical Kingdom of Satan and his third of the angels.

7 And the angel said unto me, Wherefore didst thou marvel? I will tell thee the mystery of the woman , and of the beast that carrieth her, which hath the seven heads and ten horns.

Satan himself is obviously not the beast in the bottomless pit who was, and is not. So it is up to the reader to solve that mystery.

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What you have not addressed, and I did, is why XXXX is mortally wounded ?

@ViaCrucis

I was noticing your avatar, the wafer with the cross (the bread - His body), the cup with the wine (His blood), representing communion. I think that is a good well thought out avatar representing something pertaining to Christianity. You did a good job on that. Did you make the avatar or did you copy and paste it ?

Douggg said:

@ViaCrucis

I was noticing your avatar, the wafer with the cross (the bread - His body), the cup with the wine (His blood), representing communion. I think that is a good well thought out avatar representing something pertaining to Christianity. You did a good job on that. Did you make the avatar or did you copy and paste it ?

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Clip art found on the internet which I edited in a paint program. The blue background and the gold of the chalice represent heaven, as blue and gold are the traditional liturgical colors for heaven.

-CryptoLutheran

ViaCrucis said:

Clip art found on the internet which I edited in a paint program. The blue background and the gold of the chalice represent heaven, as blue and gold are the traditional liturgical colors for heaven.

-CryptoLutheran

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The chalice shows up green on my monitor.