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What does it mean to deny yourself and pick up your cross daily? When I think of denying yourself I think of dos and don'ts. But Christians say that we are not saved by dos and don'ts. And yet, that is exactly what the law of God is all about, right? It's all about do not do this and do not do that.
 

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Romans 12:17 Do not repay anyone evil for evil. Be careful to do what is right in the eyes of everyone. 18 If it is possible, as far as it depends on you, live at peace with everyone. 19 Do not take revenge, my dear friends, but leave room for God’s wrath, for it is written: “It is mine to avenge; I will repay,” says the Lord. 20 On the contrary:



“If your enemy is hungry, feed him;
if he is thirsty, give him something to drink.
In doing this, you will heap burning coals on his head.”

21 Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good.

This is probably one of the best examples.
 
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Hello @Introverted1293, the Lord Jesus left us a pretty good the best example to follow in this regard, yes?

Mark 10
45 “Even the Son of Man did not come to be served, but to serve, and to give His life a ransom for many.”

Here is a definition of self-denial in case you'd like to read one.

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The willingness to deny oneself possessions or status, in order to grow in holiness and commitment to God. This practice is commended and illustrated by Jesus Christ himself, and underlies Christian fellowship within the church.
~Manser, M. H. (2009). Dictionary of Bible Themes: The Accessible and Comprehensive Tool for Topical Studies. London: Martin Manser.

God bless you!

--David
 
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You are right the law is about do's and don'ts. The law was a sign showing us that in ourselves we could never be good enough. Thankfully, God sent Jesus and through faith we are perfect, in Him. Salvation is a gift from God, that we receive through faith in what Jesus has done. What we do is not going to change that, but to grow as a Christian we have to begin denying our-self and taking up the cross and following Him. That does not effect our salvation but it effects our maturity and service to God. So, you can rest in faith, that you are saved and use that salvation not as a license to sin, but as a license to begin being more and more like Jesus.

Galatians 3:10-13 (YLT)
10 for as many as are of works of law are under a curse, for it hath been written, `Cursed is every one who is not remaining in all things that have been written in the Book of the Law--to do them,' 11 and that in law no one is declared righteous with God, is evident, because `The righteous by faith shall live;' 12 and the law is not by faith, but--`The man who did them shall live in them.' 13 Christ did redeem us from the curse of the law, having become for us a curse, for it hath been written, `Cursed is every one who is hanging on a tree,'

In my experience the two things that cause almost all Christians to stumble (inlcuding myself) stem from two things. (1) We do not have a big enough revelation of God's love. (2) We feel too unworthy and constantly try to gain God's approval through works. The cure for the latter is to learn how to rest in God's grace. That Jesus took your place, he became a curse for us. We are free from performance issues. Now we are free to serve with cheerfulness, not because it helps us to be saved, but because we really want to serve, to deny to take up the cross, to be more like Jesus.
 
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What does it mean to deny yourself and pick up your cross daily? When I think of denying yourself I think of dos and don'ts. But Christians say that we are not saved by dos and don'ts. And yet, that is exactly what the law of God is all about, right? It's all about do not do this and do not do that.
It's closer to...

1 John 2:15-16 (KJV) Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him. For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.
 
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What did Jesus mean when He said, “Take up your cross and follow Me”? (Matthew 16:24; Mark 8:34; Luke 9:23)

(Watch the 5 minute video and/or read the text below. The words are the same in both :))

Answer: Let’s begin with what Jesus didn’t mean. Many people interpret “cross” as some burden they must carry in their lives: a strained relationship, a thankless job, a physical illness. With self-pitying pride, they say, “That’s my cross I have to carry.” Such an interpretation is not what Jesus meant when He said, “Take up your cross and follow Me.”


When Jesus carried His cross up Golgotha to be crucified, no one was thinking of the cross as symbolic of a burden to carry. To a person in the first-century, the cross meant one thing and one thing only: death by the most painful and humiliating means human beings could develop.

Two thousand years later, Christians view the cross as a cherished symbol of atonement, forgiveness, grace, and love. But in Jesus’ day, the cross represented nothing but torturous death. Because the Romans forced convicted criminals to carry their own crosses to the place of crucifixion, bearing a cross meant carrying their own execution device while facing ridicule along the way to death.

Therefore, “Take up your cross and follow Me” means being willing to die in order to follow Jesus. This is called “dying to self.” It’s a call to absolute surrender. After each time Jesus commanded cross bearing, He said, “For whoever wants to save his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life for me will save it. What good is it for a man to gain the whole world, and yet lose or forfeit his very self?” (Luke 9:24-25). Although the call is tough, the reward is matchless.

Wherever Jesus went, He drew crowds. Although these multitudes often followed Him as Messiah, their view of who the Messiah really was—and what He would do—was distorted. They thought the Christ would usher in the restored kingdom. They believed He would free them from the oppressive rule of their Roman occupiers. Even Christ’s own inner circle of disciples thought the kingdom was coming soon (Luke 19:11). When Jesus began teaching that He was going to die at the hands of the Jewish leaders and their Gentile overlords (Luke 9:22), His popularity sank. Many of the shocked followers rejected Him. Truly, they were not able to put to death their own ideas, plans, and desires, and exchange them for His.

Following Jesus is easy when life runs smoothly; our true commitment to Him is revealed during trials. Jesus assured us that trials will come to His followers (John 16:33). Discipleship demands sacrifice, and Jesus never hid that cost.

In Luke 9:57-62, three people seemed willing to follow Jesus. When Jesus questioned them further, their commitment was half-hearted at best. They failed to count the cost of following Him. None was willing to take up his cross and crucify upon it his own interests.

Therefore, Jesus appeared to dissuade them. How different from the typical Gospel presentation! How many people would respond to an altar call that went, “Come follow Jesus, and you may face the loss of friends, family, reputation, career, and possibly even your life”? The number of false converts would likely decrease! Such a call is what Jesus meant when He said, “Take up your cross and follow Me.”

If you wonder if you are ready to take up your cross, consider these questions:
• Are you willing to follow Jesus if it means losing some of your closest friends?
• Are you willing to follow Jesus if it means alienation from your family?
• Are you willing to follow Jesus if it means the loss of your reputation?
• Are you willing to follow Jesus if it means losing your job?
• Are you willing to follow Jesus if it means losing your life?

In some places of the world, these consequences are reality. But notice the questions are phrased, “Are you willing?” Following Jesus doesn’t necessarily mean all these things will happen to you, but are you willing to take up your cross? If there comes a point in your life where you are faced with a choice—Jesus or the comforts of this life—which will you choose?

Commitment to Christ means taking up your cross daily, giving up your hopes, dreams, possessions, even your very life if need be for the cause of Christ. Only if you willingly take up your cross may you be called His disciple (Luke 14:27). The reward is worth the price. Jesus followed His call of death to self (“Take up your cross and follow Me”) with the gift of life in Christ: “For whoever wants to save his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life for me will find it” (Matthew 16:25-26).

~What did Jesus mean when He said, “Take up your cross and follow Me”? | GotQuestions.org

--David
p.s. - here is one more with a similar subject from the same folks: What does it mean to deny yourself? What is self-denial? | GotQuestions.org
 
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It is a hard concept to grasp but to die to self means that you put aside your ambitions, your needs, your desires and instead take up God's will. Christ must be savior and lord. Many profess Christ as their savior far fewer confess Him as lord and master of their life and there is the problem. Our lives are no longer our own they are lived for Christ. As we die to what we want and instead live in Christ we are sanctified and made, by the Holy Spirit like Christ. This is a simple and general answer to the question but it captures the essence. I must decrease and He must increase. Your cross may not be your suffering, it could be what God has for you to do. We must do as Christ who said He does what the Father tells Him to do. As Christ did so must we. How do we know what that is? He tells us. Christ says my sheep hear my voice. We must listen for the voice of our Lord. That requires being silent before Him listening, not talking. Many times we fall into the trap that prayer is about supplication alone, it is not. It is or should be a conversation when we seek Him He will be found. Or when we listen for Him He will speak. Those in Christ need not seek Him as He is with us, always. He is with us when we attend service, He is with us at our home, at our place of employment, He is simply with us. God's abiding presence is within not without. He abides with us as we abide in Him.
 
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What does it mean to deny yourself and pick up your cross daily? When I think of denying yourself I think of dos and don'ts. But Christians say that we are not saved by dos and don'ts. And yet, that is exactly what the law of God is all about, right? It's all about do not do this and do not do that.
Denying yourself means all those things which we put before Christ.
 
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Christians say that we are not saved by dos and don'ts. And yet, that is exactly what the law of God is all about, right? It's all about do not do this and do not do that.
This is included. But you can conform to a bunch of dos and don'ts but still not be truly denying yourself.

This is to be discovered with Jesus >

"'Take My yoke upon you and learn from Me, for I am gentle and lowly in heart, and you will find rest for your souls.'" (Matthew 11:29)

Our "yoke" has us in connection with Jesus . . . not with what we want and how we might try to control our own selves and our own lives. Jesus is gentle and humble in how He takes care of us and personally guides us.

The "yoke", I see, includes however our Father personally rules us in His own peace > all of us in Jesus are "called in one body" to this >

"And let the peace of God rule in your hearts, to which also you were called in one body; and be thankful." (Colossians 3:15)

So, I trust God to have me be submissive to Him in His peace . . . how He means this and has us doing this. This depends on how God is able. So, we all are equal about this > no one is superior in ability to get one's own self to do this. We all deny our selves as having ability to get with God in His own peace and submit to how He personally rules us in His own peace being shared with us.

And, about the cross which we need > I now believe Jesus means how we love in the way Jesus on the cross was loving any and all people with hope for any evil person, at all.

And on the cross Jesus was first about pleasing our Father sweetly. So, Jesus was not concerned or worried about self, but about obeying and pleasing our Father. And He was loving us, not only worrying about what He was going through. He was not impressed with the suffering, but He was impressed with loving.

So, a practical meaning might be how we do not hurry to quick-fix our problems, but first we pray and trust God and see how He uses our problems for loving other people. He used the cross. He used the horrible situation of Joseph > Genesis 37-50 > not only solving Joseph's problems, but using his situation to bless and save the lives of many people, plus to provide us, today, with this example of how God is able to use any trouble for His all-loving purpose . . . not only taking care of me, but creating His benefit for others through what I go through.
 
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This is a simple matter of, when confronted with a decision to make, do I choose to please myself and others even though that would go against what Jesus would do in the same circumstance, or will I choose to do what Jesus would do thus denying my wilful self and the pressure from others that wilfully go against God’s ways.

A simple illustration of this would be, if I’m with a social group of car enthusiasts travelling in convoy, that’s drivers seem to either carelessly or wilfully break the speed limits, do I give in to peer pressure and the need to be accepted and share in the fun, and keep up with them,.....or do I deny myself of those ‘benefits’ and hold back and travel safely and within the speed limits thus distancing myself from them, even at the risk of losing the friendship and acceptance of that group, which is a cross I would have to bear.

This analogy can be used in all aspects of life, and typifies many of the challenges that Christians are confronted with every day.
 
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It is a hard concept to grasp but to die to self means that you put aside your ambitions, your needs, your desires and instead take up God's will. Christ must be savior and lord. Many profess Christ as their savior far fewer confess Him as lord and master of their life and there is the problem. Our lives are no longer our own they are lived for Christ. As we die to what we want and instead live in Christ we are sanctified and made, by the Holy Spirit like Christ. This is a simple and general answer to the question but it captures the essence. I must decrease and He must increase. Your cross may not be your suffering, it could be what God has for you to do. We must do as Christ who said He does what the Father tells Him to do. As Christ did so must we. How do we know what that is? He tells us. Christ says my sheep hear my voice. We must listen for the voice of our Lord. That requires being silent before Him listening, not talking. Many times we fall into the trap that prayer is about supplication alone, it is not. It is or should be a conversation when we seek Him He will be found. Or when we listen for Him He will speak. Those in Christ need not seek Him as He is with us, always. He is with us when we attend service, He is with us at our home, at our place of employment, He is simply with us. God's abiding presence is within not without. He abides with us as we abide in Him.

Superb post..
 
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Romans 12:17 Do not repay anyone evil for evil. Be careful to do what is right in the eyes of everyone. 18 If it is possible, as far as it depends on you, live at peace with everyone. 19 Do not take revenge, my dear friends, but leave room for God’s wrath, for it is written: “It is mine to avenge; I will repay,” says the Lord. 20 On the contrary:



“If your enemy is hungry, feed him;
if he is thirsty, give him something to drink.
In doing this, you will heap burning coals on his head.”

21 Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good.

This is probably one of the best examples.

Sorry it took so long to respond.

Yeah, that's a hard one. My enemies don't want to have anything to do with me. But that's ok, I don't what to have anything to do with them. I usually have to protect myself. But I guess I am not really denying myself if I don't feed my enemies.
 
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Hello @Introverted1293, the Lord Jesus left us a pretty good the best example to follow in this regard, yes?

Mark 10
45 “Even the Son of Man did not come to be served, but to serve, and to give His life a ransom for many.”

Here is a definition of self-denial in case you'd like to read one.

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The willingness to deny oneself possessions or status, in order to grow in holiness and commitment to God. This practice is commended and illustrated by Jesus Christ himself, and underlies Christian fellowship within the church.
~Manser, M. H. (2009). Dictionary of Bible Themes: The Accessible and Comprehensive Tool for Topical Studies. London: Martin Manser.

God bless you!

--David

I spent a lot of time isolating myself. This was way before the virus struck the world. I do it to protect myself. You do not have to answer this question, for it is rhetorical. But I keep asking myself, what does it mean to serve others. Can't I just give money online, which I have? If it means spending time with people, then I don't know if I could do that. But if it means that I can just give online or the church, then I can do that just fine. But then again my definition may not be actually self-denial.

So, I just don't know what it means to serve others. But I am not going to forget what you just said. I will pray and ask God to show me how to serve others without selfishness. And if spending time with others is what he wants, then I need to pray for strength.
 
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To me, it means following the words of Jesus, love God and love your neighbour as yourself. It may sound simple on paper but as anyone will tell you it's not easy and this is where prayer comes in. Even Our Saviour knows it's not easy, remember when he was angry with the money changers, but forgave those who beat and crucified Him.
 
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Jesus said why do you call me Lord and do not what I ask you to do? Luke 6:46

People come from different walks of life. For me denying myself was the forefront of my walk. I forsook all and went out and preached on the street corner. Was a crazy experience. People however would come up to me and say The Lord told me to give this to you. I returned home eventually with a greater understanding of serving others and denying self. If the Lord is calling you, do His will. He is faithful and will open a way, where there is no way. That is The Living God. He is real.
 
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What did Jesus mean when He said, “Take up your cross and follow Me”? (Matthew 16:24; Mark 8:34; Luke 9:23)

(Watch the 5 minute video and/or read the text below. The words are the same in both :))

Answer: Let’s begin with what Jesus didn’t mean. Many people interpret “cross” as some burden they must carry in their lives: a strained relationship, a thankless job, a physical illness. With self-pitying pride, they say, “That’s my cross I have to carry.” Such an interpretation is not what Jesus meant when He said, “Take up your cross and follow Me.”


When Jesus carried His cross up Golgotha to be crucified, no one was thinking of the cross as symbolic of a burden to carry. To a person in the first-century, the cross meant one thing and one thing only: death by the most painful and humiliating means human beings could develop.

Two thousand years later, Christians view the cross as a cherished symbol of atonement, forgiveness, grace, and love. But in Jesus’ day, the cross represented nothing but torturous death. Because the Romans forced convicted criminals to carry their own crosses to the place of crucifixion, bearing a cross meant carrying their own execution device while facing ridicule along the way to death.

Therefore, “Take up your cross and follow Me” means being willing to die in order to follow Jesus. This is called “dying to self.” It’s a call to absolute surrender. After each time Jesus commanded cross bearing, He said, “For whoever wants to save his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life for me will save it. What good is it for a man to gain the whole world, and yet lose or forfeit his very self?” (Luke 9:24-25). Although the call is tough, the reward is matchless.

Wherever Jesus went, He drew crowds. Although these multitudes often followed Him as Messiah, their view of who the Messiah really was—and what He would do—was distorted. They thought the Christ would usher in the restored kingdom. They believed He would free them from the oppressive rule of their Roman occupiers. Even Christ’s own inner circle of disciples thought the kingdom was coming soon (Luke 19:11). When Jesus began teaching that He was going to die at the hands of the Jewish leaders and their Gentile overlords (Luke 9:22), His popularity sank. Many of the shocked followers rejected Him. Truly, they were not able to put to death their own ideas, plans, and desires, and exchange them for His.

Following Jesus is easy when life runs smoothly; our true commitment to Him is revealed during trials. Jesus assured us that trials will come to His followers (John 16:33). Discipleship demands sacrifice, and Jesus never hid that cost.

In Luke 9:57-62, three people seemed willing to follow Jesus. When Jesus questioned them further, their commitment was half-hearted at best. They failed to count the cost of following Him. None was willing to take up his cross and crucify upon it his own interests.

Therefore, Jesus appeared to dissuade them. How different from the typical Gospel presentation! How many people would respond to an altar call that went, “Come follow Jesus, and you may face the loss of friends, family, reputation, career, and possibly even your life”? The number of false converts would likely decrease! Such a call is what Jesus meant when He said, “Take up your cross and follow Me.”

If you wonder if you are ready to take up your cross, consider these questions:
• Are you willing to follow Jesus if it means losing some of your closest friends?
• Are you willing to follow Jesus if it means alienation from your family?
• Are you willing to follow Jesus if it means the loss of your reputation?
• Are you willing to follow Jesus if it means losing your job?
• Are you willing to follow Jesus if it means losing your life?

In some places of the world, these consequences are reality. But notice the questions are phrased, “Are you willing?” Following Jesus doesn’t necessarily mean all these things will happen to you, but are you willing to take up your cross? If there comes a point in your life where you are faced with a choice—Jesus or the comforts of this life—which will you choose?

Commitment to Christ means taking up your cross daily, giving up your hopes, dreams, possessions, even your very life if need be for the cause of Christ. Only if you willingly take up your cross may you be called His disciple (Luke 14:27). The reward is worth the price. Jesus followed His call of death to self (“Take up your cross and follow Me”) with the gift of life in Christ: “For whoever wants to save his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life for me will find it” (Matthew 16:25-26).

~What did Jesus mean when He said, “Take up your cross and follow Me”? | GotQuestions.org

--David
p.s. - here is one more with a similar subject from the same folks: What does it mean to deny yourself? What is self-denial? | GotQuestions.org

Thank you

I will watch the video.
 
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