490 years Daniel 9 - my chart

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I like the charts after all. They are like warning labels on packs of cigarettes. You can see what you are dealing with before investing too much time.
Charts can make it easier to understand flawed eschatology, as well as correct eschatology. Without investing too much time, as you say. That's what I think too.

So, we are on the same page as far as the virtue of charts.

"I want to see timeline charts".
 
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Charts can make it easier to understand flawed eschatology, as well as correct eschatology. Without investing too much time, as you say. That's what I think too.

So, we are on the same page as far as the virtue of charts.
It tells me where the flaws are. Eisegesis, not exegesis permeates Dispensationalism and related schemes. So I know from the start how to respond.
 
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I presented it right here on my chart. Work back from Jesus's return to bring in everlasting righteousness, 7 years and you will see there is a gap.

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Where is the age of the Gentiles in your chart?

Luke 21:24
And they will fall by the edge of the sword, and will be led captive into all the nations; and Jerusalem will be trampled under foot by the Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled.
 
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Where is the age of the Gentiles in your chart?

Luke 21:24
And they will fall by the edge of the sword, and will be led captive into all the nations; and Jerusalem will be trampled under foot by the Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled.
On my 490 years Daniel 9 chart, the times of the Gentiles would be in the gap.

On my Olivet discourse chart, the times of the Gentiles would be in the middle section, the long term of Israel being in exile. Luke 21:24 is the verse.

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On my 490 years Daniel 9 chart, the times of the Gentiles would be in the gap.

On my Olivet discourse chart, the times of the Gentiles would be in the middle section, the long term of Israel being in exile. Luke 21:24 is the verse.

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So when does Israel reappear?

I checked your quotation in post #148, i.e., Luke 21:25-36.

That quotation of yours above does not mention Israel?
 
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So when does Israel reappear?

I checked your quotation in post #148, i.e., Luke 21:25-36.

That quotation of yours above does not mention Israel?
Israel, a nation in exile, became a sovereign nation again May 15, 1948. Fulfilling Isaiah 66:8 a nation born in a single day.

Luke 21:25-36 is in the end times. And Jerusalem is back in the hands of the Jews, Luke 21:29-32 the parable of the fig tree.
 
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I appreciate your sense of humor but it's not difficult to notice that you reply to them without smoking or reading them.
I read enough to make my call. Unless I know it's a Dispy chart beforehand. Then I ignore it
 
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Israel, a nation in exile, became a sovereign nation again May 15, 1948. Fulfilling Isaiah 66:8 a nation born in a single day.


In the video below globalist banker Jacob Rothschild reveals how his family created the modern State of Israel. During this video Rothschild does not mention God.




Is Jacob Rothschild one of God's people, based on 2 John 1:7-11?

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.. and after the 62 weeks which followed the first 7 weeks, Messiah was cut off. I.O.W, in the middle of the 70th week. It's contiguous, as the Hebrew word achar ("after") tells us:

"after" (Hebrew: achar) example:

And the days of Adam after he had begotten Seth were eight hundred years: and he begat sons and daughters: Gen 5:4

And Seth lived after he begat Enos eight hundred and seven years, and begat sons and daughters: Gen 5:7

And Enos lived after he begat Cainan eight hundred and fifteen years, and begat sons and daughters: Gen 5:10

And also that nation, whom they shall serve, will I judge: and afterward shall they come out with great substance. Gen 15:14

etc etc etc

After means "after". The text does not tell us Messiah was cut off during the 69th week. It tells us Messiah was cut off after the first 483 years, in the final week.
 
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Israel, a nation in exile, became a sovereign nation again May 15, 1948. Fulfilling Isaiah 66:8 a nation born in a single day.

Luke 21:25-36 is in the end times. And Jerusalem is back in the hands of the Jews, Luke 21:29-32 the parable of the fig tree.
I doubt that Isaiah 66:8 is referring to the secular state of Israel in 1948. Is that all the scripture you can summon to support this idea, one verse?

As for Luke chapter twenty one, it is very clear that Jerusalem is desolate.

Matthew 23:37
Jerusalem, Jerusalem, who kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to her! How often I wanted to gather your children together, the way a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, and you were unwilling. Behold, your house is being left to you desolate!

Romans 11:25
For I do not want you, brethren, to be uninformed of this mystery, so that you will not be wise in your own estimation. That a partial hardening has happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in.

Matthew 21:43
Therefore I tell you, the kingdom of God will be taken away from you and given to a nation producing the fruits of it.

When the new covenant was established by Jesus, the old covenant was annulled by Jesus. That old covenant declared Israel as the chosen nation, but that old covenant is no longer in force. Therefore, Israel is just one of the the Gentile nations. The temple was desolate, Jerusalem was desolate, old covenant Israel will never be seen again.
 
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Like I said, you have a good sense of humor: "Jesus is A-mill too".
Challenge; find one premillennial passage in the gospel or Epistles other than from the Pharisees. Jesus taught Amillennialism and Peter preached it (the gospel of the kingdom) at Pentecost.
 
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In the video below globalist banker Jacob Rothschild reveals how his family created the modern State of Israel. During this video Rothschild does not mention God.
Is Jacob Rothschild one of God's people, based on 2 John 1:7-11?
100% true.

Not every Pre-miller believes God created the current state those who are not Israel call "Israel". I'm Pre-mill and I know it's not true.

1) August, 1897: Theodor Herzl founded the Zionist movement in Basel, Switzerland. He was non-religious, a secular Jew.

2) 02 November, 1917: The Balfour Declaration:

"His Majesty's government view with favour the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, and will use their best endeavours to facilitate the achievement of this object, it being clearly understood that nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine, or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country."

It was handed to Lord Rothschild, a non-religious, secular Jew, by British Foreign Secretary, Earl Arthur Balfour.

3) 29 November, 1947: United Nations Resolution 181 recommends partitioning Palestine into two states: An independent Jewish state and an independent Arab state, with the U.N governing Jerusalem.

4) 14 May, 1948: Executive Head of the World Zionist Organization, David Ben Gurion, a non-religious, secular Jew, issues the Zionist state of Israel's Declaration of Independence.

The modern-day state called "Israel" is:-

1) 100% legitimate in terms of man's laws (recognized by the U.N as a state, and therefore has the right to defend itself against anyone seeking to annihilate it); and

2) The above fact caused a great injustice to be done to the other inhabitants of what was formerly Palestine, since it was done without their consent and against their will; and

3) The finest diplomats of the world have never been able to fix the dilemma caused by the above two facts; and

Searching for the "Messiah"

Most Jews are non-Christian, and many Jews, regardless of their tolerance of Christians, do not believe in Jesus, have contempt for His name and what they regard as the "Christian notions" regarding Him, and are looking for another Messiah to come, who they believe will finally sort out their dilemma in the modern-day state of Israel.

Religious Jews believe this "Messiah" is to cause the Dome of the Rock and adjacent mosque to be demolished, and that he will ensure that the temple in Jerusalem (which was destroyed by the Roman armies in 70 A.D), is rebuilt, and he will re-establish animal sacrifices for sins, and begin ruling the world from Jerusalem.

Why?

It's because they reject God's covenant with the house of Israel and the house of Judah in Christ, the new covenant in His blood.

All of the above, if it comes to pass, will be a great insult to God and to His Christ.

Christian Zionists, and many Christians today, believe that the creation of the secular state called "Israel" is "the miraculous work of God", and they believe it shows that "God is finally bringing about the fulfillment of Biblical prophecy" - but they have conflated what God PERMITS with what God DOES.

Today's "Israel" is all about Jews who do not believe in Jesus attempting to force the fulfillment of Biblical prophecy and Biblical promises which have been, and will be and can only be fulfilled in Jesus.
 
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