Global warming pushes ocean temperatures off the charts

[Bradskii]

It's surprising it took 18 posts for a denial to turn up; it must be a record.

That one was a little weird. It wasn't actual denial. It was 'Hey, this is what the sea is doing. It's natural for it to do this under these conditions.'

Well...yeah. But we want it to stop doing it.

 

[sjastro]

That is one of the functions of the ocean ... it's doing what it is supposed to do ... no worries

Here is some thermodynamics 101.

The Earth is the universe of the system, the atmosphere is the system and the oceans are the thermal reservoir which can exchange heat with the system, it goes both ways.
But hey what is there worry about if the oceans are warming up due to AGW, coral bleaching, disruption of plankton food chains threatening extinction of sea life, island nations being submerged by rising sea levels etc.

Recently Australia will allow the gradual resettlement of inhabitants from the island nation of Tuvalu due to rising sea levels.

Tuvalu residents able to resettle in Australia as climate change 'threatens its existence'

Prime Minister Anthony Albanese has announced a new pact with the low-lying island country of Tuvalu, allowing residents facing displacement from climate change the ability to resettle in Australia.

www.abc.net.au

 

[sjastro]

That one was a little weird. It wasn't actual denial. It was 'Hey, this is what the sea is doing. It's natural for it to do this under these conditions.'

Well...yeah. But we want it to stop doing it.

The "no worries" is a sign of climate denial as if there is no threat.

 

[Bradskii]

The "no worries" is a sign of climate denial as if there is no threat.

I think there's denial. And there's blissful ignorance. Along the lines of 'More CO2? It's great for growing plants!'

 

[sjastro]

I think there's denial. And there's blissful ignorance. Along the lines of 'More CO2? It's great for growing plants!'

The inappropriately called Greening Earth Society which was the mouthpiece of the fossil fuel industry used this type of reasoning to counter the threats posed by AGW.

To suddenly label CO2 as a "pollutant" is a disservice to a gas that has played an enormous role in the development and sustainability of all life on this wonderful Earth. Mother Earth has clearly ruled that CO2 is not a pollutant.' (Robert Balling, as quoted by Popular Technology)

 

[eleos1954]

And it doesn't care about us. Neither does the climate. Or tsunamis. Or earthquakes. Or bush fires. Or droughts. Or rising sea levels. None of those things consider us. They just do what they do.

Yes ... the climate can not be controlled by man globally (can do very small scale manipulation, cloud seeding/fake snow etc) ... The climate is going to do it's thing ... no mater what we do or don't do. When one looks at the entire history of recorded and verified climate information ... there has been climate "swings" since being recorded ... even back to times when there was much less CO2 emissions being emitted into the air.

All the things you listed have happened in the past, are happening today, and will happen in the future.

Some things are way bigger than us .... earth is going to do what it wants in regard to the climate.

 

[Nithavela]

 

[Shemjaza]

And it doesn't care about us. Neither does the climate. Or tsunamis. Or earthquakes. Or bush fires. Or droughts. Or rising sea levels. None of those things consider us. They just do what they do.

It's surprising it took 18 posts for a denial to turn up; it must be a record.

I don't think that was intended as a denial of human effect on climate, more a denial on climates agency and positive intent for humanity.

 

[Halbhh]

That is one of the functions of the ocean ... it's doing what it is supposed to do ... no worries

Sure, if the sea temperature was just notably higher than usual, then it would be only just another year where a mere ordinary record is set. Yes.

But here what stands out is that this one doesn't look like just a warmer year -- say the warmest in modern times of many decades of measuring -- it does not look like previous really warm El Nino years we have records of....

It looks instead like we are departing far from merely a record warm year of recent decades. It's the size of that departure that stands out and is why I posted this for more people to see.

 

[Bradskii]

The climate is going to do it's thing ... no mater what we do or don't do.

This guy I know is a climate denier. He keeps earplugs hanging around his neck so he can use them to stop the sand getting in when he buries his head in it.

 

[The Barbarian]

Whatever break we had been getting looks like it is over. We may see a rapid temp rise now.

There had been a solar minimum, that reduced solar output. Part of the normal solar cycle. But it's over now. It should have cooled the Earth slightly. But climate change completely reversed that. Now a maximum is on the way...

Solar maximum is coming, but we won't know it happened until 7 months after it's over

Solar maximum is on the horizon, but when will it occur?

www.space.com

That is one of the functions of the ocean ... it's doing what it is supposed to do ... no worries

Except that warmer seas mean more powerful hurricanes. And yes, worries. It's already happening. Going to get worse before it gets better.

Why Atlantic Hurricanes Are Getting Stronger Faster Than Other Storms

The combined impact of worsening climate change and less pollution is like a performance enhancer for tropical cyclones

time.com

It's pretty simple. Storms are big heat engines, run by temperature differences. The hotter the ocean, the more power in the storm.

 

[Michael Snow]

If you know that something is wrong and you can help to put it right, then do so. Saying 'he doesn't care so why should I' is not exactly the smartest position you could take.

As a lead IPCC author told Congress, thinking that you can change climate is "hubris"--Dr. John Christy, professor of atmospheric science, NASA Exceptional Scientific Achievement Medal, AMS Special Award "for developing a global, precise record of Earth's temperature from operational polar-orbiting satellites.

 

[Bradskii]

As a lead IPCC author told Congress, thinking that you can change climate is "hubris"--Dr. John Christy, professor of atmospheric science, NASA Exceptional Scientific Achievement Medal, AMS Special Award "for developing a global, precise record of Earth's temperature from operational polar-orbiting satellites. View attachment 345063

The climate is getting worse. By any measure one would care to use. What has been decided, and what the world has decided to do (3 countries didn't sign on to the Paris Accord), some states more intently than others, is put into place measures that will prevent it getting a lot worse.

The consensus of scientific specialists on this matter is often noted as being 97%. The 97% consensus on global warming

It's now one tenth of 1% away from being unanimous. ‘Case closed’: 99.9% of scientists agree climate emergency caused by humans

Your chum Christy is finding himself marginalised to an ever greater extent.

But let's stick with 97% at the moment. And let's say that a local bridge over which you need to drive has been examined by 100 structural engineers. And 97 of them say, quite definitely, that it's likely to collapse if you drive over it. What do you do? Try to find one of the guys who says it's safe? And then based on what he and his 2 chums say, do you ignore what the other 97 say and drive over the bridge anyway?

Only a fool would do so.

And just a quick heads up...please don't respond with any facts and figures that you might have found that people like Christy have come up with. This subject has been done to death. The jury is in and I'm not the slightest bit interested in debunking the same ol' same ol' yet again.

 

[Neogaia777]

I don't know what my carbon footprint now is? But using too much power/electricity is a concern of mine, even more so lately, etc.

There is no real way for me to know exactly how much I am using, since I live in an apartment building, and have no individual meter, and my electric bill is always the same, since it is included with rent. It's also important to note that where I live most of the power for everyone here is mostly hydroelectric where I live, etc.

But it is still a concern of mine, so I have taken efforts to use less, etc. I bought a kill-a-watt meter recently and am gauging/documenting just how much each individual "thing" I have is using, etc.

I bought a 32 inch monitor to go with my fanless mini-pc, and each is rated at 10 watts each, but I also have a 55 inch TV that I use a lot also, which is 80 watts of electricity, but by "a lot" I mean when I'm using them, because they do stay off a lot of the time also, as I don't watch TV or play video games as much as other people most usually do always, etc.

I don't have or use A/C, but do have a few fans going a lot of the time, or with some, or a few fans, almost always, etc. I already know that my electric heat is the biggest consumer of electricity right now that I run during the winter months mostly. I do like to keep it at a comfortable temp, so I'm not giving that up easily, etc. I also have a laptop that I use occasionally, and video game console systems that I run occasionally, etc. I have a deep freezer and refrigerator that uses some electricity, electric stove/oven for cooking, and a 900 watt microwave that gets used occasionally.

I'm working on gauging everything with my kill-a-watt meter right now, but am trying to not use as much electricity.

Oh, and I guess I should have mentioned this at the beginning, but I don't drive/can't drive anymore/don't have a vehicle/driver's license anymore, and that is for the rest of my life now basically, and have a e-bike bicycle that I use now, or public transportation to get around/do things anymore basically, so no carbon footprint anymore now there basically.

God Bless.

 

[eleos1954]

There had been a solar minimum, that reduced solar output. Part of the normal solar cycle. But it's over now. It should have cooled the Earth slightly. But climate change completely reversed that. Now a maximum is on the way...

Solar maximum is coming, but we won't know it happened until 7 months after it's over

Solar maximum is on the horizon, but when will it occur?

www.space.com

Except that warmer seas mean more powerful hurricanes. And yes, worries. It's already happening. Going to get worse before it gets better.

Why Atlantic Hurricanes Are Getting Stronger Faster Than Other Storms

The combined impact of worsening climate change and less pollution is like a performance enhancer for tropical cyclones

time.com

It's pretty simple. Storms are big heat engines, run by temperature differences. The hotter the ocean, the more power in the storm.

The weather changes .... the question is can man control the weather globally? I think it ridiculous to think so.

Effects of CO2 emissions ....

Emissions are still rising in many parts of the world. However, several countries have managed to cut their emissions in recent decades. With affordable low-carbon technologies, other countries can increase their living standards without the high-carbon pathway that rich countries followed in the past.

Ok .... so how much "time" has been gained by the cut in emissions? How much emissions have to be cut that will show us whatever is put in place will any significant impact on the climate globally?

 

[Tinker Grey]

The weather changes .... the question is can man control the weather globally? I think it ridiculous to think so.

Effects of CO2 emissions ....

Emissions are still rising in many parts of the world. However, several countries have managed to cut their emissions in recent decades. With affordable low-carbon technologies, other countries can increase their living standards without the high-carbon pathway that rich countries followed in the past.

Ok .... so how much "time" has been gained by the cut in emissions? How much emissions have to be cut that will show us whatever is put in place will any significant impact on the climate globally?

Control ≠ affect

 

[The Barbarian]

The weather changes .... the question is can man control the weather globally? I think it ridiculous to think so.t's

That's the funny thing about reality; it doesn't care what we think.

Emissions are still rising in many parts of the world. However, several countries have managed to cut their emissions in recent decades. With affordable low-carbon technologies, other countries can increase their living standards without the high-carbon pathway that rich countries followed in the past.

Ok .... so how much "time" has been gained by the cut in emissions?

Depends. Turns out forcings are higher than expected, and the solar maximum is coming sooner than expected.

How much emissions have to be cut that will show us whatever is put in place will any significant impact on the climate globally?

We could consider Hanson's three-scenario predictions made decades earlier, that was very precisely right, Look what the other two options were and how much of a difference, Should we do that?

 

[Michael Snow]

The climate is getting worse. By any measure one would care to use. What has been decided, and what the world has decided to do (3 countries didn't sign on to the Paris Accord), some states more intently than others, is put into place measures that will prevent it getting a lot worse.

The consensus of scientific specialists on this matter is often noted as being 97%. The 97% consensus on global warming

It's now one tenth of 1% away from being unanimous. ‘Case closed’: 99.9% of scientists agree climate emergency caused by humans

Your chum Christy is finding himself marginalised to an ever greater extent.

But let's stick with 97% at the moment. And let's say that a local bridge over which you need to drive has been examined by 100 structural engineers. And 97 of them say, quite definitely, that it's likely to collapse if you drive over it. What do you do? Try to find one of the guys who says it's safe? And then based on what he and his 2 chums say, do you ignore what the other 97 say and drive over the bridge anyway?

Only a fool would do so.

And just a quick heads up...please don't respond with any facts and figures that you might have found that people like Christy have come up with. This subject has been done to death. The jury is in and I'm not the slightest bit interested in debunking the same ol' same ol' yet again.

"The climate is getting worse. By any measure one would care to use." Poppycock.

More people die of cold than of heat.

You simply do not know what your are talking about.

 

[The Barbarian]

"The climate is getting worse. By any measure one would care to use." Poppycock.

It is getting worse in most places, but not all places. Africa is benefiting in the Sahel as the desert retreats due to changes in the dry winds out of Asia,

On the other hand, it's getting worse for the U.S. Gulf Coast and West. At least for a while, there will be winners and losers.

You simply do not know what your are talking about.

I suspect that you don't know very much at all about climate and the way things are changing it.

 

[Ophiolite]

"The climate is getting worse. By any measure one would care to use." Poppycock.

More people die of cold than of heat.

You simply do not know what your are talking about.

OK. So, is it that you don't think we are experiencing global warming? Or, we are experiencing global warming, but it is not caused by human activity? Or, it may be caused by humans, but it isn't actually much of a problem? Or, something else. It would be easier to respond if I understood exactly what you think is poppcock, before I call your objections balderdash.