Was the Sabbath given to man at creation as a special day to worship God?

Did Adam and Eve keep each seventh-day Sabbath?

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He showed us complete obedience to all of the Law.

(CLV) 1Co 11:1
Become imitators of me, according as I also am of Christ.

Does that mean Christians are to keep all the ritual commands that Jesus kept? All sins against morality are forever.

(CLV) Lk 16:17
Yet it is easier for heaven and earth to pass by than for one serif of the law to fall.

Sins against ritual commands given only to Israel ended with the advent of the new covenant

(CLV) Hb 8:10
"For this is the covenant which I shall be covenanting with the house of Israel after those days," the Lord is saying: "Imparting My laws to their comprehension, On their hearts, also, shall I be inscribing them, And I shall be to them for a God, And they shall be to Me for a people.

(CLV) Mt 15:24
Now He, [Yahshua] answering, said, "I was not commissioned except for the lost sheep of the house of Israel."

Question: Did the Gentiles of the era of the Sinai covenant sin for not observing the Sabbath, the feasts, new moons or what they ate?

(CLV) Num 15:15
As for the assembly, there shall be one statute for you and for the sojourner sojourning with you. It shall be an eonian statute throughout your generations. Like you so shall the sojourner be before Yahweh.
 
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Yes, so now that our transgressions of God's Laws are forgiven, shall be continue to transgress? God forbid!!

(CLV) Hb 10:28
Anyone repudiating Moses' LAW is dying without pity on the testimony of two or three witnesses.
(CLV) Hb 10:29
Of how much worse punishment, are you supposing, will he be counted worthy who tramples on the Son of God, and deems the blood of the covenant by which he is hallowed contaminating, and outrages the spirit of grace?
 
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He showed us complete obedience to all of the Law. Does that mean Christians are to keep all the ritual commands that Jesus kept? All sins against morality are forever. Sins against ritual commands given only to Israel ended with the advent of the new covenant.

Question: Did the Gentiles of the era of the Sinai covenant sin for not observing the Sabbath, the feasts, new moons or what they ate?

Yes, the Gentiles did sin and needed to be included into the covenant if they chose to, to be saved, which includes doing the law. The law exists weather we choose to obey them or not. sin is transgression of God's law.
 
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So since loving one another is all that's needed, this explains why homosexuals believes it's ok since they "love" each other. And so you are deceiving people if you go with your "theory" that those are the only commandments given. We can go further and say I love everyone so I'll marry each of them, etc.
 
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So since loving one another is all that's needed, this explains why homosexuals believes it's ok since they "love" each other. And so you are deceiving people if you go with your "theory" that those are the only commandments given. We can go further and say I love everyone so I'll marry each of them, etc.
Now you quickly forgot that the love mentioned in NT is agape love ONLY comes from God..and you compare that agape love to homosexual love makes God be the source of it...You really need to know your Bible so you don't Blasphemy God that way...
 
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Not according to Yahshua:

(CLV) MarK 12: 28-30
28 And, approaching, one of the scribes, hearing them discussing, having perceived that He answered them ideally, inquires of Him, "What is the foremost precept of all? 29 Jesus answered him that "The foremost precept of all is: Hear, Israel! the Lord our God is one Lord." 30 And, You shall be loving the Lord God out of your whole heart, and out of your whole soul, and out of your whole comprehension, and out of your whole strength. This is the foremost precept."

How do we know that we love YHWH?

(CLV) 1Jn 5:3
For this is the love of God, that we may be keeping His precepts. And His precepts are not heavy,
Read it again, You should love the Lord....(agape love)

Unless you don't believe Christ Apostles as having the Spirit of God when they wrote their message to the church...Paul state in Romans 13:9-10.."The commandments you shall Not commit adultery, you shall Not murder, you shall Not covet and whatever other command there may be, are sum up in this One command..Love your neighbor as yourself...Love is the fullfiment of the Law...
 
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Yes exactly the Son showed us also complete obedience to the Ten Commandments also as well out of love. Very important to God the father.
Christ show us God the Father, His Nature or Righteousness in which both the Law (Sinai) and Prophets were witness of...
 
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Now you quickly forgot that the love mentioned in NT is agape love ONLY comes from God..and you compare that agape love to homosexual love makes God be the source of it...You really need to know your Bible so you don't Blasphemy God that way...

I'm not blaspheming, I'm giving an EXAMPLE OF YOUR LOGIC. You said love one another is all that's needed. I TOLD YOU GOD DEFINES LOVE THROUGH HIS COMMANDMENTS. However you deny this and use the word "agape" love with 0 definition of what that is. All you do is quote the word "love". I can use any word also and give no definition or use it outside its definition. Again, I told YOU if YOU explain to anyone all you need to do is love one another you are DECEIVING people. IT IS NOT THE ONLY THING NEEDED. MANY PEOPLE DEFINE LOVE DIFFERENTLY, GOD DEFINES IT AS LOVING GOD AND LOVING MAN. HE TEN EXPLAINS THIS in greater details, so does other passages. That's the point of FUFILL, AS IN FILL UP.
 
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Read it again, You should love the Lord....(agape love)

Unless you don't believe Christ Apostles as having the Spirit of God when they wrote their message to the church...Paul state in Romans 13:9-10.."The commandments you shall Not commit adultery, you shall Not murder, you shall Not covet and whatever other command there may be, are sum up in this One command..Love your neighbor as yourself...Love is the fullfiment of the Law...

Lol exactly, thanks for quoting the commandments. If you keep those it's fulfilling the law, they go together. You gave the definition of loving your neighbour. You exactly said it very well to keep the commandments here. Paul said it is "sum up". What does sum up mean? A summary?

Summary:
1) dispensing with needless details or formalities; brief.
2) a brief statement or account of the main points of something.

Don't forget Paul also said there was more commandments also within that verse, hence why he was SUMMARIZING them:

13:9-10.."The commandments you shall Not commit adultery, you shall Not murder, you shall Not covet and whatever other command there may be, are sum up in this One command..Love your neighbor as yourself...

Your getting there brother, may God bless you in this verse and study to see the truth of God's commandments.
 
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NO, the Covenant God made with Levi on Israel's behalf, the Covenant Levi (Aaron and his sons) corrupted because he became partial in the law, the Covenant that God promised to replace in Jer. 31, that dealt with how God's Laws are administered, and how transgression of God's Laws are atoned for, the Covenant made which required the blood of bulls, No!!! I'm not talking about those Commandments. They have become old and have become obsolete, because the blood of animals didn't take away man's stubborn, self righteous, rebellion.

I'm talking about the "Good, Just and Holy Laws" God created, for the sinner, from the foundation of the World that we should "Walk in them". The Commandments, Statutes and Laws of God that Abraham obeyed. The Commandments Statutes and Commandments of God HE gave to Abraham's Children when they cried out in Egypt. I'm not talking about the Covenant God made on Israel's behalf to provide for atonement "Til the Seed should come".

Jesus tells us how Religious men has treated His Love since Cain killed Abel because Abel humbled Himself to God but Cain did not.

Jer. 6:16 Thus saith the LORD, Stand ye in the ways, and see, and ask for the old paths, where is the good way, and walk therein, and ye shall find rest for your souls.

But they said, We will not walk therein.

As it is to this day!



Yes, the Law that required sacrificial "works" for the atonement of transgression of God's Laws was added to His Law 430 years after Abraham obeyed, because of transgression of God's Laws, Commandments and Statutes that God gave to Abraham, Commandments He obeyed, at least according to the God of the Bible.

But God gave His instruction on how to Love God and Love one another in the very beginning. At least that is what John teaches.



The teaching that God created law impossible to obey, then commanded man to obey it anyway, is an insidious falsehood spread by the father of lies. Teaching such wickedness is not Love, although "many" who come in Christ's Name preach that it is. .

Rom. 6:16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?

Luke 9:23 And he said to them all, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross daily, and follow me.

Gen. 4:7 If thou doest well, shalt thou not be accepted? and if thou doest not well, sin lieth at the door. And unto thee shall be his desire, and thou shalt rule over him.

There are "many" who come in Christ's Name, who preach it is impossible for me to humble myself before God because it is impossible for me to choose God's Spiritual way over mans Fleshy religions. But Paul didn't, Jesus didn't, and certainly the Word of God didn't from the very beginning as far back as Cain and Abel.

Jesus warned of such religious voices in Matt. 24.

4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.

5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I (Jesus) am Christ; and shall deceive many.



This is what religious men teaches. But Jesus teaches if we reject His Commandment, HE doesn't know us. The Mainstream Preachers of Jesus time were rejected because they created their own law, their own love, their own image of God, their own righteousness. This might appear holy to religious men, but it is most evil according to the God of the Bible.



You have omitted a very important truth here, and I'm not sure why you would do such a thing, maybe you just forgot. Please let me help you by inserting Biblical Truth.

"1John3:10..This is how we know who are the children of God are and who the children of the devil are: Anyone who does Not do what is right{ AS DEFINED BY THE GOD OF THE BIBLE} is Not God’s child, Nor is anyone who does Not Love their brother and sisters..."

THERE, now it is truth.



Yes, this is a statement I am in full agreement.
Hello,...James 2:8.." If you keep the royal law found in Scripture " Love your neighbor as yourself " you are doing right...

If you think you can obey all the laws, commands etc on your own, then maybe you should think why All are sinners in the first place...
1John 3:9..No one who is born of God will continue to sin BECAUSE God's seed (Christ) remain in them..
If you don't have this you will continue to sin..so you think you can obey the law on your own, maybe think again and give thanks to God for His Son...

Don't worry about other voices, Jesus clearly stated the He knows His sheep and His sheep know His Voice and listen to His voice..

I quote 1John 3:10 from the Bible.
 
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Lol exactly, thanks for quoting the commandments. If you keep those it's fulfilling the law, they go together. You gave the definition of loving your neighbour. You exactly said it very well to keep the commandments here. Paul said it is "sum up". What does sum up mean? A summary?

Summary:
1) dispensing with needless details or formalities; brief.
2) a brief statement or account of the main points of something.

Don't forget Paul also said there was more commandments also within that verse, hence why he was SUMMARIZING them:

13:9-10.."The commandments you shall Not commit adultery, you shall Not murder, you shall Not covet and whatever other command there may be, are sum up in this One command..Love your neighbor as yourself...

Your getting there brother, may God bless you in this verse and study to see the truth of God's commandments.
1John gives the origin of that command Not Sinai..Thanks
 
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I'm not blaspheming, I'm giving an EXAMPLE OF YOUR LOGIC. You said love one another is all that's needed. I TOLD YOU GOD DEFINES LOVE THROUGH HIS COMMANDMENTS. However you deny this and use the word "agape" love with 0 definition of what that is. All you do is quote the word "love". I can use any word also and give no definition or use it outside its definition. Again, I told YOU if YOU explain to anyone all you need to do is love one another you are DECEIVING people. IT IS NOT THE ONLY THING NEEDED. MANY PEOPLE DEFINE LOVE DIFFERENTLY, GOD DEFINES IT AS LOVING GOD AND LOVING MAN. HE TEN EXPLAINS THIS in greater details, so does other passages. That's the point of FUFILL, AS IN FILL UP.
Maybe we need to look closer to the word Love mentioned in NT so we can see why some have it and others don't...John 5:42..But I know you. I know that you DO NOT HAVE THE LOVE OF GOD IN YOU...
so is Not just love and is Not from anyone but from God...
And we find this Love in His Son..Romans 8:39.. neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation , will be able to separate us from the Love of God that is in Christ Jesus...

Christ is the fullfiment or culmination of the law for Righteousness...

John5:45..If you believe Moses, you would believe me, for he wrote about me...

Luke 24:27...And beginning with Moses and All the Prophets, he explained to them what was said in All Scriptures concerning Himself..
 
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Hello,...James 2:8.." If you keep the royal law found in Scripture " Love your neighbor as yourself " you are doing right...

If you think you can obey all the laws, commands etc on your own, then maybe you should think why All are sinners in the first place...
1John 3:9..No one who is born of God will continue to sin BECAUSE God's seed (Christ) remain in them..
If you don't have this you will continue to sin..so you think you can obey the law on your own, maybe think again and give thanks to God for His Son...

Don't worry about other voices, Jesus clearly stated the He knows His sheep and His sheep know His Voice and listen to His voice..

I quote 1John 3:10 from the Bible.

Who said to keep God's laws, commands on our own? The bible clearly says we have the help of the Holy Spirit to guide us. The Ten are included in this since these main ones are written on fleshly tables of the heart. 1 John 3:9-10 simply says when you are born again you don't sin. John continues his teaching on the topic of those who continue in sin. John's advice here is actually being specifically at believers. That there is no excuse for sin in the life of a believer. Grace is a not a license to sin. Those who sin without remorse, conviction, or change have no relationship with Christ whatsoever. But even a saved Christian has to choose good over evil.

In these verses, the emphasis is on the one "born of God." God lives in the believer and the believer can therefore no longer live the same life as prior to becoming God's child. Though believers continue to sin, they will be changed more into the likeness of Christ. God's children are expected to reflect his characteristics to some degree. Again, the emphasis is not on perfection, but likeness. An unchanged person is not a true believer. A true believer cannot help but live differently because God lives within them.
 
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1John gives the origin of that command Not Sinai..Thanks

We are talking about Paul, where does 1 John even mention this? You really like to deflect instead of answering the question in that verse. It's amazing the gymnastics you are doing to flip what Paul is saying. Not only that 1 John actually TELLS US TO FELLOWSHIP WITH THE FATHER AS WELL AS JESUS CHRIST.

Paul quotes part of 10 commandments. Please stop bearing false witness.
 
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What commands were Yahshua referring to in this verse?:

(CLV) Lk 16:17
Yet it is easier for heaven and earth to pass by than for one serif of the law to fall.
The law!

The commandments are within the law.

Is drunkenness a sin?
 
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Maybe we need to look closer to the word Love mentioned in NT so we can see why some have it and others don't...John 5:42..But I know you. I know that you DO NOT HAVE THE LOVE OF GOD IN YOU...
so is Not just love and is Not from anyone but from God...
And we find this Love in His Son..Romans 8:39.. neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation , will be able to separate us from the Love of God that is in Christ Jesus...

Christ is the fullfiment or culmination of the law for Righteousness...

John5:45..If you believe Moses, you would believe me, for he wrote about me...

Luke 24:27...And beginning with Moses and All the Prophets, he explained to them what was said in All Scriptures concerning Himself..

Lol yes exactly, I don't see where love doesn't include the law. The law is what RIGHTEOUSNESS IS, ITS WHAT LOVE IS. You are the one that doesn't understand.

Psalm 119:141-147 "I am small and despised: yet do not I forget thy precepts. 142 Thy righteousness is an everlasting righteousness, and thy law is the truth. 143 Trouble and anguish have taken hold on me: yet thy commandments are my delights. 144 The righteousness of thy testimonies is everlasting: give me understanding, and I shall live. 145. I cried with my whole heart; hear me, O LORD: I will keep thy statutes.

Jesus is also called the truth. Interesting parallel. Was Jesus lying when he said the Sabbath was made for mankind. He then immediately abolishes it not long after? But I thought he said I came not to abolish?

You say we arent under the law then why do you try to keep the law of love?
 
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We are talking about Paul, where does 1 John even mention this? You really like to deflect instead of answering the question in that verse. It's amazing the gymnastics you are doing to flip what Paul is saying. Not only that 1 John actually TELLS US TO FELLOWSHIP WITH THE FATHER AS WELL AS JESUS CHRIST.

Paul quotes part of 10 commandments. Please stop bearing false witness.
Paul quote the commandment of Love from OT..But that is Not where it originally proclaim and John state in 1 John 3:11,12..For this is the message you've heard from the Beginning: We should Love one Another. Do not be like Cain, who belong to the evil one and murder his brother...
 
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The law!

The commandments are within the law.

Is drunkenness a sin?

I thought Jesus said I didn't come to abolish? The commandments are a summary of God's law. Read the difference between a covenant and a law. Moses was the ministration of the 10 commandments, it's now Jesus that ministers the law, that's why some changes have come into the new covenant. The new covenant still has the blood sacrifice to atone for our sins, the lamb is now Jesus, etc. The law is still there, certains part of it have changed on how they are applied/ministered. Hence the new covenant.
 
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So since loving one another is all that's needed, this explains why homosexuals believes it's ok since they "love" each other. And so you are deceiving people if you go with your "theory" that those are the only commandments given. We can go further and say I love everyone so I'll marry each of them, etc.
What is your preoccupation with homosexuality all about? There are a stack of other sexual sins which count as sexual immorality. It is as if homosexuality is the greatest sin out there.

The Holy Spirit is poured into your heart and love is a gift of the Holy Spirit. Do you really think that God wrote do not covet that donkey, into your heart?

I honestly thought that the fruit of the Holy Spirit are below.

Galatians 5:22-23
But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, self-control; against such things there is no law.

Your telling me that what is written on the heart by God is; do not covet that donkey? You have a serious problem with the way you read the scripture.
 
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