Looters ransack Target store

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Do you know why the looting at the Target in Minneapolis began? Cops were stationed on the roof shooting tear gas and rubber bullets at PEACEFUL PROTESTERS, and when demonstrators tried to go inside to get milk the doors had been locked. In the chaos people broke in and started looting.

That's the most ridiculous story I've heard to date.
 
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a narrative where law enforcement is there to "keep peace" but instead they are antagonizing peaceful protesters until they react, then cry RIOT

This is complete nonsense. The rioting, looting, and arson came first; the police reaction came in response to that.
 
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The only ridiculous thing is how you cannot see that it is actually real life.

Peaceful protesters targeted by cops standing on roof

Minneapolis Target looting: It actually began with gallons of milk – Film Daily

This is complete nonsense. The rioting, looting, and arson came first; the police reaction came in response to that.

Oh, were you there? Please provide evidence.

In the mean time feel free to refer to this thread of videos from ACTUAL protesters: Live footage of police inciting violence amidst protesters/regular civilians
(Trigger warning for some photos)

Staged cop car lit on fire during LA protest

Remain in denial if you wish. If you are literally here to berate me I can do this all day.
 
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Noone believes that all cops are bad. Only some.

The system needs to exact justice from the some ... who threaten, by their actions, to make the whole body look bad.

It appears it is happening. The system IS exacting justice. The system IS doing what it's supposed to do. Burning up the local automotive store won't bring justice and won't change justice. People are not going to find someone guilty just because people are burning down buildings, and stealing televisions.
 
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I apologize if you feel personally attacked because those statement were not directed at you, unless the shoe fits. I recognize that as a white male in America it will be difficult for you to sympathize with black communities when they react in certain ways. Obviously nobody wants to see it go down this way but I have accepted that it is no longer reasonable to ask black folks to react peacefully-- especially when met with outside agitators and police retaliation. As I have explained many times in this thread, looting is a demonstration tactic that exposes how Americans care more about property than human lives; it represents how easily oppressors take from the oppressed. Stealing is never justified but think about what has been stolen from black people-- their culture, their land, their rights, their opportunities, their LIVES. A TV can not compare. Like I said, I wish there was a way to protect small businesses during the looting but that is not possible once a riot breaks out. There are many videos of black protesters trying to stop looters, but once there's one or two it turns into mob mentality/human instinct. We should not be so quick to judge and criminalize them because it begins to lessen the criminality of the people who caused this. Fortunately the community will usually rally around local business owners to help them recover. The CEO of Target has made a statement that he stands with the people of Minneapolis, and that all his employees will be receiving full pay and benefits.

I completely understand if it is hard for you to sympathize with all of this because yes, it is hard to watch. But what is harder to watch-- a Target being looted or another black man being killed? Being open-minded is to accept that sometimes, difficult things are done for a reason. Just like how there are many here trying to convince themselves that Derek Chauvin had a reason to kill George Floyd.

It is hard for me to watch the looting, too. But I am trying to be compassionate. If they cannot have justice they can at least have a new TV, because that's how America works isn't it? We numb our pain with material things. I hope you can see at least a little of where I'm coming from and where they are coming from. Again, I apologize if I have come off as condescending or patronizing. I wish you well too.

It's harder to watch a man dying and knowing the police actions contributed to his death. And those officer absolutely should face the justice and civil system for their actions.

That does not excuse in any way shape or form what the riotors and looters are doing. NONE. In fact destroying their own community is going to create more hardship in the future for them because businesses are not going to want to relocate or rebuild in those areas. Many won't be able afford to. Jobs will be lost and opportunity to increase income will lower. All because people refused to wait for the justice system to do it thing or at least criminals took advantage of the situation to commit acts of violence and crime.
 
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Sir, when someone is killed you should be emotional. What I should have written is that police SHOULD BE trained to arrest without fatality at all costs.. but since they are not, all deaths are by definition AVOIDABLE and UNJUSTIFIED. If it is a matter of OPINION whether a person deserves to be killed then my opinion remains objective. Feel free to disagree.
Thank you I will disagree then.
 
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The problem is too many times there is NO IMMINENT THREAT and it is NOT legitimate self defense. In case you have not noticed police brutality is a national crisis right now. In America cops kill more people in a single DAY than other countries do in a YEAR. They are trained to have a superiority complex and think they are allowed to bully civilians. The disciples were not police officers they were REGULAR PEOPLE who wanted to protect themselves while Roman regime was slaughtering Christians on the streets. Buying swords is exactly what people are starting to do.

How many is too many exactly.
One?
 
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How many is too many exactly.
One?
Please explain what point you are trying to make because I don't see one.

It's harder to watch a man dying and knowing the police actions contributed to his death. And those officer absolutely should face the justice and civil system for their actions.

That does not excuse in any way shape or form what the riotors and looters are doing. NONE. In fact destroying their own community is going to create more hardship in the future for them because businesses are not going to want to relocate or rebuild in those areas. Many won't be able afford to. Jobs will be lost and opportunity to increase income will lower. All because people refused to wait for the justice system to do it thing or at least criminals took advantage of the situation to commit acts of violence and crime.

You're not wrong and your points are valid. We are both left with two options.

Option 1) Learn to accept that rioting/looting is a natural byproduct of rebellion and injustice-- Boston Tea Party, Shays', slave revolts, Suffragettes, Stone Wall, etc. It is an especially American way of revolting, because stealing and destroying property is the biggest fist in the face to a capitalist society. The intention is to disrespect authority as extensively as possible in order to expose the oppressive system that has disrespected them tenfold.

Option 2) Learn to distinguish between the protesting and the riots/looting. In demonstrations of this size there are dozens of groups involved-- the legitimate activists, allies, and peaceful demonstrators, as well as the anarchists, antifa, outside antagonists, and law enforcement. The latter group is doing most of the agitating, egging on an already sensitive crowd to react destructively.

Whichever option you choose to embrace, it is paramount that you cannot let the looting/rioting overshadow the actual issue. As difficult as it will be, it'll be better to not comment or chastise if you are truly trying to help the cause. Media is only showing the ugly but in reality the protests are peaceful and rational. We have to take the spotlight off the bad because a) it discourages normal citizens from coming out and b) it encourages insurrectionists to.

I understand the frustrations and the want to speak out against this, but it is unhelpful to be divisive right now. People are making up conspiracy theories of every color and by pitting protester against rioter you are weakening the side of the people. You and I and the rioter/looter are on the same team! We are all people who no longer want to live under an oppressive, unjust system. Try to rethink your takeaway from all of this. Learn to be uncomfortable for a little longer because things always get worse before they get better.
 
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it is paramount that you cannot let the looting/rioting overshadow the actual issue

As of now, the rioting, which has caused several deaths already, is the issue.

but in reality the protests are peaceful and rational

Well, no, they quite obviously are not.

I understand the frustrations and the want to speak out against this, but it is unhelpful to be divisive right now

Failure to speak out against the violence will almost certain lose the Democrats the next election. Is that your intended outcome?

You and I and the rioter/looter are on the same team!

I find that statement deeply concerning.
 
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As of now, the rioting, which has caused several deaths already, is the issue.
Derek Chauvin and the American police system is what caused those deaths.

Well, no, they quite obviously are not.
I wonder why. Images of police using violence against peaceful protesters are going viral

Failure to speak out against the violence will almost certain lose the Democrats the next election. Is that your intended outcome?
You are speaking out against the wrong violence. Have you forgotten why we're here?

I find that statement deeply concerning.

"If you can't beat them, allow them to beat one another."

That's what we call OPPRESSION. Do they have that in Australia?
 
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Derek Chauvin and the American police system is what caused those deaths.

No. Not in the least.

It was appropriate to ask for Derek Chauvin to be charged; he was charged. The appropriate thing to do after that was to wait for a fair trial.

Rioting and looting are simply not appropriate actions.

You are speaking out against the wrong violence. Have you forgotten why we're here?

I have been speaking out against violence. I consider the statement "You are speaking out against the wrong violence" to be morally bankrupt.

But my statement "Failure to speak out against the violence will almost certain lose the Democrats the next election" was not "speaking out"; it was a sober prediction of the political implications of rioting.
 
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It appears it is happening. The system IS exacting justice. The system IS doing what it's supposed to do. Burning up the local automotive store won't bring justice and won't change justice. People are not going to find someone guilty just because people are burning down buildings, and stealing televisions.
This is the first time ... that something even approaching justice is perceived to be in motion concerning such an event. Unfortunately, that is only deemd to be happening because of the protests, in all of its forms.

US society seems to be saying that it is time to stop these events from happening ... or else face the consequences ...
 
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No. Not in the least.

It was appropriate to ask for Derek Chauvin to be charged; he was charged. The appropriate thing to do after that was to wait for a fair trial.

Rioting and looting are simply not appropriate actions.

When you are oppressed there is no "appropriate" way to fight against your oppression. It was also "not appropriate" for Colin Kaepernick to take a knee during the national anthem.

I see you are not American and probably neither are you black so before you try to tell them how to act please have a read: A brief history lesson on racial violence and oppression

If you really want to be patriotic then yes, their reaction is completely appropriate: A list of the most destructive riots in American cities

I have been speaking out against violence. I consider the statement "You are speaking out against the wrong violence" to be morally bankrupt.

You certainly have not. When it's the police you call it "an intelligent way of discouraging." I consider your continued excuses for them to be morally bankrupt.
 
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When you are oppressed there is no "appropriate" way to fight against your oppression.

I'm not sure what you mean by "oppression," exactly, but the idea that "oppression" justifies any and all violence is morally bankrupt and un-Christian.

I see you are not American

Correct; and I think my vantage point from across the Pacific is helpful in this case.

When it's the police you call it "an intelligent way of discouraging."

The police are authorised to use force to maintain law and order and uphold the law. When they find creative ways of achieving those ends using minimal force, I commend them.

And the reason that we have police forces is that societies without law and order are really, really bad.
 
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I'm not sure what you mean by "oppression," exactly, but the idea that "oppression" justifies any and all violence is morally bankrupt and un-Christian.

LOL. You have been spamming this thread all the while not knowing what OPPRESSION is? The door is right there sir.
 
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That is policemen upholding the law, and trying to put a stop to the rioting and looting. Not knowing the context of the photographs, I do not know if they could have done so in a better way.

And I'm not sure that you have sufficient understanding of the world to realise what "really, really bad" looks like, because it generally shows up only in "failed states."

The fact that you are in American means that, by global standards, you live a life of privilege (as do I).

LOL. You have been spamming this thread all the while not knowing what OPPRESSION is? The door is right there sir.

I know what I mean by the word. I'm hazy on what you mean by it.
 
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That is policemen upholding the law, and trying to put a stop to the rioting and looting. Not knowing the context of the photographs, I do not know if they could have done so in a better way.
LOL! Show me who the rioters/looters are in any of those images/videos! Your excuses are falling apart, sir. You have now somehow generalized every protester to be a criminal. When the logic goes out the door I think it's time for you to follow it.

The fact that you are in American means that, by global standards, you live a life of privilege (as do I).
Yes sir I can tell, your privilege is loud. Learn how to use it.
 
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