Was the Sabbath given to man at creation as a special day to worship God?

Did Adam and Eve keep each seventh-day Sabbath?

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Jesus is our Passover; the Lamb of God.

Christians don’t sacrifice animals to God.

You must be thinking of Judaism, a religion that rejects Jesus as Messiah.

JLB

Jews don't sacrifice animals now either since there is no Temple. True, Yeshua is the lamb of God. However, that does not preclude what Paul said...He said KEEP the Feast. Yeshua said it was a memorial of His death. It was when the New Covenant was instituted...
Shabbat Shalom!
 
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Why won't you answer my question?
Love your brothers, sisters, neighbors is the message of the Gospel about the Son from the beginning way before Moses and the old covenant 1John2.,..and Love only comes from God through the Son...
 
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Love your brothers, sisters, neighbors is the message of the Gospel from the beginning way before Moses and the old covenant.,..and Love only comes from God through the Son...

So was The Sabbath :) Yes, you know those 2 commandments are from the Torah.
 
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So was The Sabbath :) Yes, you know those 2 commandments are from the Torah.
Yes, as I've said the love is from God through His Son...So He is our Sabbath and our lawgiver and it's fulfillment. So if we don't have His Spirit then the Torah is just written script for men...with No Truth to be seen...

Romans 2:23,24..You who boast in the Law, do you dishonor God by breaking the law? As it is written; God's Name is Blasphemed among the Gentiles because of You...
 
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The law fulfilled in Christ,

Christ is the one that makes it possible for the LAW of God to be written on heart and mind under the NEW Covenant so that Paul can say "what? Do we make void the LAW of God by our faith? God forbid! In fact we ESTABLISH the LAW" Rom 3:31

It just cannot be made any clearer than that which Paul has done in that text.
 
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So do you know why this command called a New command in the NT?

And do you know why John says it is NOT a new command?
1 John 2:7 Beloved, I am not writing a new commandment to you, but an old commandment which you have had from the beginning; the old commandment is the word which you have heard.

And do you know why Paul says that the 5th commandment "is the first commandment WITH a promise" Eph 6:1-2 in that still-valid distinct unit of TEN - included in the moral law under the NEW Covenant for Christians even in the NT?

You should continue your quote from 1John 2:7

What? Have I not gotten to the part of 1 John 2 that you are interested in yet?

If we have the love of God in us, then we will honor our parents according to God...Love fulfilled All the laws..

Indeed as Moses and Elijah would know full well as they stand with Christ in glory before the cross event even happens -- in Matthew 17
 
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Christ is the one that makes it possible for the LAW of God to be written on heart and mind under the NEW Covenant so that Paul can say "what? Do we make void the LAW of God by our faith? God forbid! In fact we ESTABLISH the LAW" Rom 3:31

It just cannot be made any clearer than that which Paul has done in that text.
Christ is the fullfiment and culmination of the law for Righteousness...if the law is about God, then Christ is God in flesh...

Yes, the law of God (law in our mind) is established through Faith and Jesus Christ is "the" Faith.. Not by works of the law (written code given in Sinai)...
 
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And do you know why John says it is NOT a new command?
1 John 2:7 Beloved, I am not writing a new commandment to you, but an old commandment which you have had from the beginning; the old commandment is the word which you have heard.

And do you know why Paul says that the 5th commandment "is the first commandment WITH a promise" Eph 6:1-2 in that still-valid distinct unit of TEN - included in the moral law under the NEW Covenant for Christians even in the NT?



What? Have I not gotten to the part of 1 John 2 that you are interested in yet?



Indeed as Moses and Elijah would know full well as they stand with Christ in glory before the cross event even happens -- in Matthew 17
The commandment regarding Love did not originate from Sinai but from the beginning...is the message about the Word, and the message from Him is that God is light, in Him there is No darkness at all...1John 1:5....So if we claim that we live in the light but hate a brother or sister then we still in darkness.1John 2:9..

As I have mentioned that if we have the Love of God in us than we fulfilled All God's commands...And that Love is in His Son...Romans 8:39
 
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amen to that. It was also true for Moses and Elijah in Matthew 17
No text in the Bible says "He is our Sabbath"
Matt 11:28 Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.
 
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Not entirely true as we see in Acts 15 and 20

And immediately after the Acts 15 meeting what is the "very next thing" Paul does? --
answer: Paul convinces Timothy to be circumcised.



So you believe that Christians should be physically circumcised and keep the law of Moses in order to be saved?



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So you believe that Christians should be physically circumcised and keep the law of Moses in order to be saved?

The debate at the Council of Jerusalem was for one or the other, not both; and it was settled.
 
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Where the moral LAW of God known to Jeremiah is written on the heart and mind under the NEW Covenant Jer 31:31-34.

Thus even under the NEW Covenant it is still a sin to "take God's name in vain"

so yeah -- OT saints under the NEW Covenant...

Which is how it is that Moses and Elijah stand with Christ in glory before the cross... in Matthew 17

One GOSPEL Gal 1:6-9 in all age. Not "saved by works" in the OT and then "saved by grace" after the cross.
Yep that is how the Old Covenant still works to this very day to condemn "all the world" as Paul says in Romans 3:19-20 for "All have sinned" Rom 3:23
This is evidence of how false doctrines are comprised.
First, BobRyan points to a prophesy about the New Covenant from Jeremiah 31:31-34, and he skews the details about what God said would change from the broken and existing covenant at that time.
If God said;
Jer 31:31


“Behold, the days are coming, declares the LORD, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and the house of Judah,
Jer 31:32
not like the covenant that I made with their fathers on the day when I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt, my covenant that they broke, though I was their husband, declares the LORD.
Jer 31:32 identifies the Old Covenant as the law (ten commandments ) that they broke and the New Covenant is identified as not like the law given to Moses at Sinai (out of Egypt)

So when Paul says "we're not under the law" or "righteousness apart from the law" he is talking about being under the new covenant.

If the same Old covenant gets written on your heart, then God lied to Jeremiah about a New Covenant.

Jer 31:33 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, declares the LORD: I will put my law within them, and I will write it on their hearts. And I will be their God, and they shall be my people.
The law that God is promising to write on hearts is not the law of condemnation given by Moses. It's the law of love spoken and given by Jesus Christ and preached by His apostles.
Hebrews 8 and 10 restates the prophesy from Jeremiah and clarifies that God will write" my laws" on the hearts, not "my law" meaning the 10.com.
These truths speaks of His indwelling Spirit to guide every heart and not words on tablets of stone.

When God had given the law, it was their righteousness for them to keep it.
Deu 6:25 And it will be righteousness for us, if we are careful to do all this commandment before the LORD our God, as he has commanded us.’
So when Paul said
Rom 3:21¶But now apart [fn]from the Law the righteousness of God has been manifested, being witnessed by the Law and the Prophets,
Rom 3:21 addresses the righteousness that God requires NOW . Paul is clearly teaching that the righteousness that God requires will NOT be by keeping the law.
This clarifies and fulfills Jeremiah's prophecy that righteousness will be without the law of commandments.

Paul is saying; The law and the prophets prophesied that God would establish righteousness without the law.
Rom 3:21-31 should not be isolated because it's relative to doctrine about the New Covenant, (righteousness by faith)

 
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Eph 6:1-2 Children, obey your parents in the Lord, for this is right. 2 Honor your father and mother (which is the first commandment with a promise),

In that still valid unit of TEN of course.
And so also "do not take God's name in vain" still there as well

Where the moral LAW of God known to Jeremiah is written on the heart and mind under the NEW Covenant Jer 31:31-34.

Thus even under the NEW Covenant it is still a sin to "take God's name in vain"

so yeah -- OT saints under the NEW Covenant...

Which is how it is that Moses and Elijah stand with Christ in glory before the cross... in Matthew 17

One GOSPEL Gal 1:6-9 in all age. Not "saved by works" in the OT and then "saved by grace" after the cross.

But do you know that law under the Old covenant requires YOU to keep all of its commands etc and if you break one you guilty of breaking All of them

Yep that is how the Old Covenant still works to this very day to condemn "all the world" as Paul says in Romans 3:19-20 for "All have sinned" Rom 3:23

But under the OT gospel called the "NEW Covenant" Jer 31:31-34 we are saved by grace through faith with the LAW of God written on the heart and full and complete forgiveness of sins.

This is evidence of how false doctrines are comprised.
First, BobRyan points to a prophesy about the New Covenant from Jeremiah 31:31-34, and he skews the details about what God said would change from the broken and existing covenant at that time.

false.

In Hebrews 8 the same New Covenant is quoted verbatim from Jer 31:31-34... -- still valid... still unchanged.

It is fact ... that does not change when someone calls it "false doctrine".

It is the "one Gospel" of Gal 1:6-9 in both OT and NT.

If the same Old covenant gets written on your heart, then God lied to Jeremiah about a New Covenant.

Note "the details" in Jer 31:31-34 and Hebrews 8

1. It is the same Old Covenant in OT and NT
2. Is the same New Covenant in OT and NT.

The covenants do not change nor does the promise.

The New Covenant is given to all that accept the Gospel - OT or NT and so it is that Moses and Elijah stand with Christ in glory in Matthew 17 - before the cross.

In Romans 3 - Paul says this of that same moral law of God known to Jeremiah as written on the heart --

31 Do we then nullify the Law through faith? May it never be! On the contrary, we establish the Law.

details matter.

which means that even in the NT - it is still a "sin" to take God's name in vain
 
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BobRyan said:
amen to that. It was also true for Moses and Elijah in Matthew 17
No text in the Bible says "He is our Sabbath"

Matt 11:28 Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.

A good example of a text that does NOT say
"Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will BE your Sabbath "

And also does not say

"Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will BE your Sabbath so you can ignore it. "

There is a difference.

There is a difference between "come here and I will give you a dollar" vs "come here and I will BE your dollar".

There is a difference.
 
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The commandment regarding Love did not originate from Sinai but from the beginning.

Love God with all your heart - Deut 6:5
Love your neighbor as yourself - Lev 19:18

Neither of those commands can be found in Exodus.

But still I would agree that all the TEN, and all the other moral laws of God are from the beginning --

It was always a sin "to take God's name in vain" -- and still is.

1 John 3:4 "Sin IS transgression of the LAW" -- 1John 3:4... still

As I have mentioned that if we have the Love of God in us than we fulfilled All God's commands

"IF you Love Me KEEP My Commandments" John 14:15
"Love Me and KEEP My Commandments" Ex 20:6
"this IS the Love of God that we KEEP His Commandments" 1 John 5:2-3

Where "the first commandment with a promise" is the 5th commandment Eph 6:1-2


...And that Love is in His Son...Romans 8:39[/QUOTE]
 
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Sorry but Paul stayed away from Jerusalem for 14 years after his conversion.

Not entirely true as we see in Acts 15 and 20

And immediately after the Acts 15 meeting what is the "very next thing" Paul does? --
answer: Paul convinces Timothy to be circumcised.

And in Acts 20 - what is the argument made to Paul - what is he supposed to "prove" and what is he "refuting" ?

Acts 20
17 After we arrived in Jerusalem, the brethren received us gladly. 18 And the following day Paul went in with us to James, and all the elders were present. 19 After he had greeted them, he began to relate one by one the things which God had done among the Gentiles through his ministry. 20 And when they heard it they began glorifying God; and they said to him, “You see, brother, how many thousands there are among the Jews of those who have believed, and they are all zealous for the Law; 21 and they have been told about you, that you are teaching all the Jews who are among the Gentiles to forsake Moses, telling them not to circumcise their children nor to walk according to the customs. 22 What, then, is to be done? They will certainly hear that you have come. 23 Therefore do this that we tell you. We have four men who are under a vow; 24 take them and purify yourself along with them, and pay their expenses so that they may shave their heads; and all will know that there is nothing to the things which they have been told about you, but that you yourself also walk orderly, keeping the Law

And how about after that?
In Acts 23?
6 But perceiving that one group were Sadducees and the other Pharisees, Paul began crying out in the Council, “Brethren, I am a Pharisee, a son of Pharisees; I am on trial for the hope and resurrection of the dead!” 7 As he said this, there occurred a dissension between the Pharisees and Sadducees, and the assembly was divided. 8 For the Sadducees say that there is no resurrection, nor an angel, nor a spirit, but the Pharisees acknowledge them all. 9 And there occurred a great uproar; and some of the scribes of the Pharisaic party stood up and began to argue heatedly, saying, “We find nothing wrong with this man; suppose a spirit or an angel has spoken to him?”

Hebrews 10:4-12 says that the system of animal sacrifices and offerings ended at the cross - but when you go out on a limb to speak of what Paul's practice was - you need to be accurate and careful in what you say about that specific Bible detail.


So you believe that Christians should be physically circumcised and keep the law of Moses in order to be saved?
JLB

You are quoting "you" not me (as if I say whatever you post..) how is that tactic compelling logic?

Back to the detail in my actual post above.

1. I believe I just showed that your prior statement about Paul not being in Jerusalem after being converted is not true.
2. I believe I just showed that Paul's affiliation with the Jews was so strong that in Acts 23 he still says "I AM a Pharisee".. and that even the Pharisees at that late date still concluded "we find nothing wrong with this man".

you know.. all the highlighted bolded details above.
 
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If the same Old covenant gets written on your heart, then God lied to Jeremiah about a New Covenant.

Jer 31:33 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, declares the LORD: I will put my law within them, and I will write it on their hearts. And I will be their God, and they shall be my people.

This verse doesn't say that YHWH will write his covenant on their hearts. It says he will write his law on their hearts.
 
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