Does the recently confirmed existence of UfO's pose a threat to Christianity?

yeshuaslavejeff said:

So?
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As a believer I daily grow in the knowledge of God and the Spirit teaches all things. But yet

Romans 11:33. O the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! how unsearchable are his judgments, and his ways past finding out!”

I thought Everyone "knew":
Psa 68:17
The chariots of God are twenty thousand, even thousands of angels: the Lord is among them, as in Sinai, in the holy place.
Ezekiel 1; God on Mount Sinai; the Ophannim (translated "wheels", in Ezekiel 1 and 10, but named by Enoch as "Ophanim", in the Book of Enoch, and the chariots of fire described in the Word..
Then, the fallen watchers who took daughters of Adam and got offspring by them, who taught men to make instruments of war, and every sort of flying vehicle before the flood. They had everything -and more, before the flood, that mankind has today. We are approaching those levels of technology again. As King Solomon said; "there is nothing new under the sun, all that is has already been done before"...chariots of fire, travel to the stars (planets are called "wandering stars" by the ancients, and the ancients traveled to them in "space chariots"). Even the ancient Chinese recorded they had gone to the moon and built a "crystal palace" on it.
In the Mahabharata, there are records of space ships, instructions for building them, and different fuels to propel them, and instructions on how to be invisible to enemy ships, and how to listen to enemies in their flying ships and how to see into enemy ships: and there are records of wars fought, on earth, between kingdoms using atomic bombs, and also another, worse, weapon of war that left buildings intact and destroyed all flesh....nothing new under the sun. It's all been done before.
These things were taught the sons of Adam by the fallen watchers, and Hitler's scientists sought the information to do these things again, and so, the modern "space" programs began, when the "allied nations" opened the doors to the Nazi scientists, like Werner Van Braun, after the war, they continued what they had begun, in NAzi Germany.
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Yep. Media, videos, radar recordings, sightings, etc., etc., etc., they've ALL been happening for many decades now, and the narrative never dies. Even Big Foot has been confirmed, with fuzzy, out of focus pictures out in the woods.

Yessirree. There is all manner of evidence for it all, and yet none of those "things" in these narratives ever materialize for us to all see and confirm scientifically. They always remain outside perception and hard evidence, and people the world over are so easily convinced.

What nobody can seem to explain is how outer space aliens got here. It's known that it would take a million years to travel to the nearest star, and that traveling close to the speed of light, assuming any race could ever achieve that, still creates many problems for ANY deep space travel, which includes getting to the right destination accurately, because we would no longer be where it looked like we were at when observed many light years away.

Oh, and we can't forget the "advanced technology" dodge to try and justify a belief in the existence of distant aliens visiting us. After all, why not presume anything and everything as a possibility if only given enough time and advancement, right?

But dare someone inject the concept of demons fooling stupid humans into thinking what they're seeing is actual extraterrestrial aliens....and the accusations begin flying about that such a person is a kook and a loon for daring to suggest such a thing, so that one is best left alone.....unless it's true.....

Jr

SwordmanJr said:

But dare someone inject the concept of demons fooling stupid humans into thinking what they're seeing is actual extraterrestrial aliens....and the accusations begin flying about that such a person is a kook and a loon for daring to suggest such a thing, so that one is best left alone.....unless it's true.....

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To me it's like arguing about whether a sneldegrab is a bird or a fish, when in fact there's no particular reason to believe that a sneldegrab exists at all. That's how it is with flying saucers.

(Note here: NOT UFOs! "UFO" means something in the air that you can't recognize. Thus, most UFOs are airplanes, birds, lens flares, and or stuff sticking to your window. You simply don't know what it is. Saying that the government acknowledges that "UFOs" exist ludicrous, since it's simply saying that the government acknowledges the existence of flying things we don't recognize. Wow, is that earth shaking, or what? Now if I see Southwest 1238 to LA and can't recognize that it's a Boeing 737 and not a flying saucer, it still officially exists. Good to know, innit?)

The argument here is whether flying saucers are: A)Space Ships Capable of Interstellar or Intergalactic Flight Driven by aliens with lots of eyes or something, or else B)Flying Things Driven by Demons from Hell Working to Deceive Us Into Believing That They're A. The problem is that no one has demonstrated that there are any flying saucers at all. The trick seems to be to redefine "UFO" to mean "flying saucer", which has the effect of taking a meaningful term and rendering it meaningless, which is, at best, intellectually dishonest. Southwest 1238 is in fact a UFO until you get a better look at it, at which point it becomes a 737-400 again. The thing that "defied' the laws of physics" that everyone saw is most likely a lot less amazing in captivity than it was when imagination was able to run freely with it.

Want me to believe in flying saucers, no matter who's driving them? Show some genuine evidence. Otherwise I have to assume that they're all constructed of moonbeans, operated by sasquatch, and used to transport chupacabras and dragon pearls.

BobRyan said:

I have not seen the Navy come out and declare "big foot" is making "unauthorized incursions into US protected airspace".

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Right. Saying it was bigfoot would have meant it was identified. Saying they were flying saucers, or alien spacecraft, or demons, or all of the above, would, again, mean they'd been identified. But the Navy classifies these as unidentified aerial phenomena. You'd desperately love for the Navy to have identified these UAP as flying saucers, and try hard to make it sound as though they had. They didn't.

That would be news to me.

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I'm certain of it.

But Sept 2019 they did do that in case of UFOs.

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Not really. They said there'd been some unidentified aerial phenomena, i.e., stuff they couldn't identify, observed. You appear to be claiming to know what those phenomena were. The Navy makes no such claim. It's still a matter of faith with you. It's not a faith I share.

BobRyan said:

Start by reading... try the OP...

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The opinion you expressed there was duly noted. Your belief in flying saucers was clearly expressed. You try desperately to imply that the Navy now supports the existence of flying saucers. They don't.

But what if flying saucers really are piloted by demons in order to release chupacabras upon an unsuspecting world? Oh, the humanity!

BobRyan said:

And the news reports including the summary by theoretical Physicist Michio Kaku regarding the recent announcements in 2019?

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Unidentified still means unidentified. You say they're flying saucers. The Navy says they're unidentified. The theoretical physicist has his opinion as well, FWIW, which is about the same as anyone else's.

You believe in flying saucers as an article of faith. Because of that, you immediately identify any UAP as a flying saucer, because you believe that's what they are. I'm from Missouri - I say unidentified means unidentified, let me know when that status changes.

As he notes the - kook fringe - factor switched at this "tipping point" so that now
0:34 “What has changed what is different now? We are witnessing a tipping point the burden of proof has changed” It is now on those who want to make the case that UFOs are not what we are seeing. (Sept 2019)

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Word games again, taking "UFO" to mean "flying saucer, which is does not. That's wht the Navy used "UAP" instead, since so many of the kook fringe use "UFO" to mean "flying saucer", thus rendering the term nearly meaningless.

consider reading the details then.

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Sorry, I'm pretty much immune to that kind of verbal jiggery-pokery. You believe in flying saucers. Fine, I consider that to be of a piece with the rest of your religious beliefs. Are there UAPs? Sure, seen a few myself. Some of which I later identified. None were flying saucers. No news here.

BobRyan said:

a crumpled object on the floor remains "unidentified" until it is picked up and examined. But we do not say of it "it is making unauthorized incursions into US airspace endangering military pilots in flight" -- nor do we speak of it accelerating to mach 20 in a matter of seconds vanishing over the horizon then returning a few seconds later to hover over the "CAP" station of some of our fighter jets.

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Right, because a piece of paper does none of those things. And while I'm sure that flying saucers do all of those things, as well as providing reliable transportation for demons and delivering chupacabras. But here's the trick - there's no verifiable, or falsifiable, data to confirm any of those reports. You accept them based on your faith that what the Navy considers Unidentified Aerial Phenomena are in reality flying saucers. You have identified them as such, at least to your own satisfaction, and since in your economy flying saucers can "defy the laws of physics", then what the observers report, however unlikely, must be true.

I think that statement of yours reveals the extent to which you have no interest in the science facts being looked at in those videos, radar images, visual sightings, gun camera and gimbal tracking data.

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My faith in observers has already been noted, since I have seen observers report having been pursued by a lighted spherical object that turned out to be a full moon (but it was a "UFO" report, so it must have really been a flying saucer, right?"), "meticulous" examinations of a famous flying saucer photo failing to figure out that the "UFOs" in the sky above the house were actually wire staples in the print submitted print, the estimates that Fort Drum was steaming out of Manila Bay at 10 to 15 knots (it's on an island), police radar clocking houses at 20 mph, or when hit by a very illegal jammer signal, 325 mph, ad infinitum. And of course, the credulous, or those whose idea of "science" runs toward a geocentric universe and/or a flat earth, pick and choose what they consider "scientific" based solely on what validates their beliefs, truth be blowed. Not that we see any of that in these parts. <Laugh>

Here's one for you to look at re the Nimitz Incident. No particular reason to believe it to be the final word, the UAP are still unidentified. But a whole lot more credible than flying saucers, unless of course flying saucers are part of your faith.

Jipsah said:

Want me to believe in flying saucers, no matter who's driving them? Show some genuine evidence. Otherwise I have to assume that they're all constructed of moonbeans, operated by sasquatch, and used to transport chupacabras and dragon pearls.

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A good, healthy level of skepticism is always a good thing, as Paul of Tasus intimated when he instructed us to "Prove ALL things." (emphasis mine)

Jr

BobRyan said:

On the other hand as Christians we know that in this world - we are not alone.

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Well enough said. We know there are no extraterrestrial aliens from other planets flying about around this earth. With angels about us, including the ever-present Lord, we are indeed not alone.

Jr

BobRyan said:

When the military claims to encounter them

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"Them" being Unidentified Aerial Phernomena, not flying saucers. Spare us the word games.

saying that "unauthorized incursions" are being made into protected airspace by vehicles of unknown origin

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Unknown origin. Could be the planet Fubar, could be Guangdong province. Hmmmm... which would be more likely?

and can show compelling tracking data as well as eye witness observations - then we should be "skeptical enough" to know that it is not "very talented butterflies" or "very talented falling rocks".

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Yep, if it wasn't Santa Claus's sleigh then it must be flying saucers from hell. Bulletproof logic there, yessirree.

On the other hand as Christians we know that in this world - we are not alone.

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Hey, what if the spacemen/demons really disguise their flying saucers as airliners or swamp gas, how would we know? What if most of what we think are airplanes are really flying saucers? Hmmmmm???

BobRyan said:

Which is my point.. some degree of common sense is required.

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And of course "common sense" demands that any flying thing that we can't recognize, or that seems to behave in an apparently inexplicable manner, is a flying saucer.

Right.