Does the recently confirmed existence of UfO's pose a threat to Christianity?

[FredVB]

Well, there are things there which we don't know about, and I don't mean extraterrestrial aliens by that. But species we had never known about still get discovered and they were there in their place all along, and there are different things in places none of us have reached yet. Things out in space have yet to be discovered. Humans did not know about dark matter which is so much of the universe until recent times. We just don't know what the things we don't know about are yet, and there are things left that we will never come to know about. None of that yet impacts Christian faith I have I have with biblical basis. It does not inform me to know everything.

 

[dwb001]

We still don't "know" dark matter. Still just a theory. No body is doing science these days... they are just building sandcastles upon sandcastles.

 

[Hawkins]

To me, it's just like the wheat field circles. It gives a warning to the self-pride humans that "they are not alone", and "not that advanced" at all.

 

[FredVB]

We still don't "know" dark matter. Still just a theory. No body is doing science these days... they are just building sandcastles upon sandcastles.

Do you doubt there is gravity? Maybe you were thinking of dark energy that is an extension built on extension from theory. There wasn't claim to know what dark matter is, though I imagine pretty well what explains it well, it is recognition of what was not known before, most mass of the universe is not the matter that can be seen in any way, which wasn't known before, and gravity that is understood and mathematics that works for gravity show there is more, that more being known as dark matter. It is known now to be there without claim that we know what dark matter is consisting of.

I don't favor denialism for my faith.

 

[dwb001]

Do you doubt there is gravity? Maybe you were thinking of dark energy that is an extension built on extension from theory. There wasn't claim to know what dark matter is, though I imagine pretty well what explains it well, it is recognition of what was not known before, most mass of the universe is not the matter that can be seen in any way, which wasn't known before, and gravity that is understood and mathematics that works for gravity show there is more, that more being known as dark matter. It is known now to be there without claim that we know what dark matter is consisting of.

I don't favor denialism for my faith.

Nobody knows what gravity is. We can describe how it acts but we don't know what it is.

 

[FredVB]

Nobody knows what gravity is. We can describe how it acts but we don't know what it is.

It is known as a force that we can use mathematics for what it corresponds to, that works enough for that. I will not argue about buoyancy explaining it well enough. This isn't the place for that, or the conspiracy claims that go with it.

 

[dwb001]

It is known as a force that we can use mathematics for what it corresponds to, that works enough for that. I will not argue about buoyancy explaining it well enough. This isn't the place for that, or the conspiracy claims that go with it.

You still haven't explained what gravity is. We can map gravity but have no idea what it actually is.

Science is built now days of presuppositions upon presuppositions.

 

[FireDragon76]

Gravity is the force of attraction between bodies proportional to their mass.

 

[Jipsah]

I will not argue about buoyancy explaining it well enough.

I think a reluctance to embrace the ridiculous is a virtue.

 

[FredVB]

I think a reluctance to embrace the ridiculous is a virtue.

Thanks. There are other threads to which dubious assertions can be taken, to not disrupt a topic. Denialism still is an issue that needs attention somewhere.

Denialism: what drives people to reject the truth

The long read: From vaccines to climate change to genocide, a new age of denialism is upon us. Why have we failed to understand it?

amp.theguardian.com

 

[Jipsah]

Thanks. There are other threads to which dubious assertions can be taken, to not disrupt a topic. Denialism still is an issue that needs attention somewhere.

Denialism: what drives people to reject the truth

The long read: From vaccines to climate change to genocide, a new age of denialism is upon us. Why have we failed to understand it?

amp.theguardian.com

may I take it, then, that you believe that bouyancy, or the lack thereof, is the reason things sit on the ground? If so, could you explain how that works? Or is it easier to simply tell people who find the idea unsupportable to go away?

 

[FredVB]

may I take it, then, that you believe that bouyancy, or the lack thereof, is the reason things sit on the ground? If so, could you explain how that works? Or is it easier to simply tell people who find the idea unsupportable to go away?

What is your position? I was responding to someone else, who is critical about any reference to gravity, who I see post elsewhere, and recognize that questioning of gravity as the tactic flat earthers have in their communication, and they like to explain phenomena with buoyancy. That certainly is still occurring with gravity. So it has nothing to do with what I say, when I refer to denialism. What is your position?

 

[Jipsah]

What is your position?

Gravity. The theory is sound, demonstrable, and if someone manages it, falsifiable. "Bouyancy" lacks any off those qualities.

they like to explain phenomena with buoyancy. That certainly is still occurring with gravity.

Hardly comparable. There's a huge amount of study gone into the nature of gravity, its effects, its limitations, adalmost infinitum. "Bouyancy" is simply a term flatties use to "explain" the effects of gravity because it's the best they can conjure up.

So it has nothing to do with what I say, when I refer to denialism.

"Denialism",in your usage, would include the refusal to believe that the moon is made of green cheeseor that whales speak French at the bottom of the sea.

What is your position?

Gravity is the glue that God uses to hold the uninverse together.

 

[FredVB]

Gravity. The theory is sound, demonstrable, and if someone manages it, falsifiable. "Bouyancy" lacks any off those qualities.

Hardly comparable. There's a huge amount of study gone into the nature of gravity, its effects, its limitations, adalmost infinitum. "Bouyancy" is simply a term flatties use to "explain" the effects of gravity because it's the best they can conjure up.


"Denialism",in your usage, would include the refusal to believe that the moon is made of green cheeseor that whales speak French at the bottom of the sea.

Gravity is the glue that God uses to hold the uninverse together.

Yes, it is my understanding. I was not the one critical of gravity, which flat earthers are, and it had me curious about why you responded to me rather than the one I responded to, who was being critical of gravity being understandable. They use buoyancy to explain what gravity explains, of course it is not comparable. Buoyancy only works in fluids because of gravity that separates what is in fluids by weight, without gravity any fluid would just dissipate. Their position is what I referred to as denialism, such as denial of gravity. Yet you were just responding to me about denialism, which is what the one I responded to is using. And regardless of your explanation that denying anything is denialism, there is baseless denial of what others have found to be the case, that really is the issue. Know-nothings can abound again but that does not better this world.

 

[FredVB]

You still haven't explained what gravity is. We can map gravity but have no idea what it actually is.

Science is built now days of presuppositions upon presuppositions.

I noticed that you never answered and you had plenty of opportunity. You say then yourself, what is working for it if there is something other than gravity doing it.

 

[Jipsah]

I noticed that you never answered and you had plenty of opportunity. You say then yourself, what is working for it if there is something other than gravity doing it.

I had the sender on ignore, as I had no interest in feeding a troll. Doing what?

 

[FredVB]

I had the sender on ignore, as I had no interest in feeding a troll. Doing what?

That might explain why you apparently thought that sender's position was my own position. Having some others on ignore can result in such confusion. I don't think there is anything other than gravity doing what is done from gravity. I have heard from these flat-earther types that it is all buoyancy explaining it all. Buoyancy is only happening from how gravity works though. Buoyancy has nothing to do with orbits or various other things simply from gravity. They won't hear that when they are denying orbits too.

 

[The Liturgist]

To me, it's just like the wheat field circles. It gives a warning to the self-pride humans that "they are not alone", and "not that advanced" at all.

But those circles have been debunked.

 

[The Liturgist]

According to outfits like NICAP and MUFON, roughly 90% of UFO sightings turn out to be entirely mundane stuff; mostly airplanes. Of the 10% that remain unidentified, there's simply not enough data to say what they were. The odds are very good that the 10% is prosaic stuff as well, we just don't know enough to say. No demons necessary.

That being said, I would argue that UFOs can still form a demonic delusion insofar as they formed the basis for the Heaven’s Gate death cult and other UFO related religions which still exist.

 

[The Liturgist]

Same old blurry out of focus rubbish, though, innit? If they were clear, you'd be able to make out the name of the airline on the side.<Laugh>

I miss TWA

Losing Pan Am was bad enough, but TWA? Its a horror.

At least American painted one of their 737-800s in TWA livery, which is a change from their attitude in the early 2000s which seemed to be one of destroying TWA heritage as much as possible.

Here is a vintage TWA safety video from the late 90s: