Discussion Why don’t you go to church?

The last church we belonged to, we discovered the Sunday school teacher was sexually abusing our child.
Nothing happened to the teacher. Still walking around today.
These things aught no be so.

SavedByGrace3 said:

The last church we belonged to, we discovered the Sunday school teacher was sexually abusing our child.
Nothing happened to the teacher. Still walking around today.
These things aught no be so.

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It seems for centuries the 'church' (so-called) was more wrong instead of right in this area, frequently, and almost 'nothing' happened -= they are "still walking around today"..... for centuries.... the world's way, not God's Way.

SavedByGrace3 said:

The last church we belonged to, we discovered the Sunday school teacher was sexually abusing our child.
Nothing happened to the teacher. Still walking around today.
These things aught no be so.

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If that teacher is still walking around, what didn't you that let him get away with it?

yeshuaslavejeff said:

It seems for centuries the 'church' (so-called) was more wrong instead of right in this area, frequently, and almost 'nothing' happened -= they are "still walking around today"..... for centuries.... the world's way, not God's Way.

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You use the past tense, but the abuse is out of the news cycle so the organization that approves of such things among its staff is already business as usual until they're back in the news cycle, which is usually about every 10 years, so they're in the clear for a while. Then they'll play shocked when they are news again. The same song and dance routine they always do.

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Francis Drake said:

If that teacher is still walking around, what didn't you that let him get away with it?

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Have you tried to fight the system - secular services or religious services that are in positions of authority , so to speak, and that almost always put up many blockades to the truth being found out ? When anyone tells the truth, as Jesus says somewhere in Scripture, the "system"/ groups (secular, business, legal, social, religious, societal)/ hates them as it hates Jesus, and does nothing unless somehow it is 'forced to', or by some amazing sheer grace Yahweh accomplishes Himself what is impossible for men to do(the right thing) ...

yeshuaslavejeff said:

Have you tried to fight the system - secular services or religious services that are in positions of authority , so to speak, and that almost always put up many blockades to the truth being found out ? When anyone tells the truth, as Jesus says somewhere in Scripture, the "system"/ groups (secular, business, legal, social, religious, societal)/ hates them as it hates Jesus, and does nothing unless somehow it is 'forced to', or by some amazing sheer grace Yahweh accomplishes Himself what is impossible for men to do(the right thing) ...

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This is somewhat accurate sad to say. The Assemblies of God church that helped me get into official ministry practically shunned me and my wife over an issue.

So one Sunday our oldest daughter (3 y/o at the time) cried all day long. She is autistic so couldnt tell us what the issue was, instead we just thought it was a minor issue and thought nothing of it. No, come to find out, her elbow had been dislocated. The doctor told us the next day that her arm must have been pulled violently to cause it to become that way, and the only place that would have happened was in the church nursery where she had been. So that day I called the Pastor, whom I thought I was close with, and asked for a one on one with him. We sat down to talk and after explaining the situation he told me basically tough luck, that if he went after the people, they would leave the church along with half of the congregants (Family dominated gathering). So he did nothing.

The next Sunday we went to service and tried to put the issue past us. We dropped the kids off and almost immediately I was called out of service to go to the nursery. Once I arrived this woman told me "your kid has red marks on his arm." To which I replied, of course I am aware. They then said they didnt want us telling others they were abusing our kids.

After service, I dropped my keys to the building off with the Pastor and left. Never to return. There were other issues as well, but the point being, churches can easily hide congregants and issues if they really want to. The power on display by those in power is real.

ByTheSpirit said:

So one Sunday our oldest daughter (3 y/o at the time) cried all day long. She is autistic so couldnt tell us what the issue was, instead we just thought it was a minor issue and thought nothing of it. No, come to find out, her elbow had been dislocated. The doctor told us the next day that her arm must have been pulled violently to cause it to become that way, and the only place that would have happened was in the church nursery where she had been.

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Same thing happened to another baby (2 or 3 years old) who was taken to the hospital.
THANKFULLY for the parents, the doctors and nurses TOLD THE TRUTH - it DOES NOT TAKE "pulled violently" to cause it to become that way - NO! SAD that your medical advice was so out of line/ inaccurate (and most likely based on politically correct (morally bad) medicine approach) ....

It is COMMON ! called nursemaid's elbow.....

Nursemaid's Elbow: Causes, Symptoms, and Treatment
https://www.webmd.com/children/nursemaid-elbow
Nursemaid's elbow may happen if you: Catch a child by the hand to stop a fall. Lift a child up by the hands or wrists. Pull a child's arm through a jacket sleeve. Swing a child by the arms or hands. Yank on a child's arm to make him or her walk faster.

Nursemaid's Elbow - OrthoInfo - AAOS
Nursemaid's Elbow - OrthoInfo - AAOS
Nursemaid's elbow often occurs when a caregiver holds a child's hand or wrist and pulls suddenly on the arm to avoid a dangerous situation or to help the child onto a step or curb. The injury may also occur during play when an older friend or family member swings a child around holding just the arms or hands.

yeshuaslavejeff said:

Have you tried to fight the system -

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Have I ever!
Having been thrown out of a number of churches for speaking an unwanted truth, the answer is yes.

yeshuaslavejeff said:

Same thing happened to another baby (2 or 3 years old) who was taken to the hospital.
THANKFULLY for the parents, the doctors and nurses TOLD THE TRUTH - it DOES NOT TAKE "pulled violently" to cause it to become that way - NO! SAD that your medical advice was so out of line/ inaccurate (and most likely based on politically correct (morally bad) medicine approach) ....

It is COMMON ! called nursemaid's elbow.....

Nursemaid's Elbow: Causes, Symptoms, and Treatment
https://www.webmd.com/children/nursemaid-elbow
Nursemaid's elbow may happen if you: Catch a child by the hand to stop a fall. Lift a child up by the hands or wrists. Pull a child's arm through a jacket sleeve. Swing a child by the arms or hands. Yank on a child's arm to make him or her walk faster.

Nursemaid's Elbow - OrthoInfo - AAOS
Nursemaid's Elbow - OrthoInfo - AAOS
Nursemaid's elbow often occurs when a caregiver holds a child's hand or wrist and pulls suddenly on the arm to avoid a dangerous situation or to help the child onto a step or curb. The injury may also occur during play when an older friend or family member swings a child around holding just the arms or hands.

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Yes, that is what we found out from our kids paraeducators. And honestly, I wasn't mad at the nursery workers, I only asked if something had happened and that if they noticed her injury I or my wife should have been notified. But instead they took it that other way (abuse) and that caused my family to not only abandon that church but honestly church in general.

Again, more than just that one issue, but that was the crack in the damn so to speak that precipitated a deluge

Francis Drake said:

Have I ever!
Having been thrown out of a number of churches for speaking an unwanted truth, the answer is yes.

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That is not something to be proud of

topher694 said:

That is not something to be proud of

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Wouldn't that depend on whether he is right or not? Jesus was kicked out of church rather violently. The first century disciples were all kicked out of their equivalent of the organized church.

jiminpa said:

Wouldn't that depend on whether he is right or not? Jesus was kicked out of church rather violently. The first century disciples were all kicked out of their equivalent of the organized church.

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That's not really the same thing. The key here is the phrase "a number of churches". It shows a pattern of poor behavior.

topher694 said:

That is not something to be proud of

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Nothing to do with pride, just an observable fact.

Francis Drake said:

Nothing to do with pride, just an observable fact.

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So piecing this together, you spotted some sin within these churches and brought it to light Im guessing?

Francis Drake said:

Nothing to do with pride, just an observable fact.

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Exactly the response expected. I'm sure wherever you go they are clearly in the wrong and you are clearly in the right, yet you keep getting unfairly kicked out. All these different churches, yet the same result. I wonder what the common denominator is?

ByTheSpirit said:

So piecing this together, you spotted some sin within these churches and brought it to light Im guessing?

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The first time was decades ago, and for the sake of those involved, I cannot go into details.
Sometime prior to that happening, God had spoken to me about being a "watchman", and if that's your call, you don't boast, you just keep watch, which I did, keeping sensitive to the Holy Spirit whilst getting on with life.
The watchman calling was also confirmed by different prophetic people who knew nothing of what God had already told me.
The problem with being a watchman, is that it puts great responsibility on your head before God to report what you have seen, which I did.

It was not so much a sin, but a falling short common in most churches. However given the teaching that was going on it needed addressing before the church could go forward into what God wanted to do.
If not addressed, those involved would be left wide open to serious demonic attack.
It was a subject God had long been speaking to me about, and I had been agonising in prayer over it for months.

Despite all my timidity at confronting the leader, God wasn't letting me off the hook so eventually I plucked up courage and gave him the message.
When I finished, he openly admitted that I was right, but then said he could never comply because it would never be accepted.
The Lord then told me to speak to the collective eldership, who also rejected it.
The Lord then told me to write it all out from a scriptural perspective, which again they rejected with contempt.

The thing is, that when I had initially spoken to the leader, as I finished, I had also told him "I don't understand what this means, but the Lord says that this is an issue unto death!"

For a while, the last bit puzzled me, then he got seriously ill and died.

I discovered later that I was not the only one to quietly give him a warning "unto death".
Let me be clear, he was a humble man, and not involved in any sinful behaviour, but was more a victim of those who idolised him.

Thereafter the other leaders did everything to make my life miserable, even blaming me and accusing me of witchcraft. They then publicly denounced me and threw me out.

topher694 said:

Exactly the response expected. I'm sure wherever you go they are clearly in the wrong and you are clearly in the right, yet you keep getting unfairly kicked out. All these different churches, yet the same result. I wonder what the common denominator is?

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Its amazing how much you know of me and my life, maybe you could get a good job writing horoscopes.

Francis Drake said:

Its amazing how much you know of me and my life, maybe you could get a good job writing horoscopes.

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I've already got a good job. One where I've seen this behavior plenty of times before and I heard similar snarky comments.

topher694 said:

I've already got a good job. One where I've seen this behavior plenty of times before and I heard similar snarky comments.

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You throw insults and make unrighteous judgements against me, then get all offended when they bounce back on you. Tsk