Who thinks Trump's claim to be the chosen one was sacrilegious

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I take the verse seriously however, it is often used inappropriately as a panacea against criticism of any sort...we are to be discerning. When the Bible warns against false prophets and evil doers...do we not discern this through judgement? If you visit a Church and the pastor preaches that you need not ask for forgiveness, or that the associate pastor has left ...because he's a loser, or his frame of reference is always "I", is it being Judgmental to call him to task? Anything that is in opposition to God's truth is a lie... if you agree then that is a judgement. Matthew 7: 1- is such a misused and misunderstood command....
I don’t know. I think you are taking what I said out of context here.

What I said was we are not called to encourage judge others, RATHER to encourage repentance.

I’m not sure how you think that is not calling out evil doing. Repentance is harder to swallow for most, than sin is.

Try encouraging a believer to repent some time. It’s not an easy thing and over 50% of the time they’ll hate the person doing it.

My opinion
 
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All that has been addressed concerning trump and his reliable comportment and you attempt to boil it down to being "silly" and "out of proportion". When one can easily put this into the context concerning years (lifetime) of behavior and rationally understand his use of "the chosen one". It would appear that one's reference to confirmation bias certainly comes into view... We want to believe in him and will make excuses and defend any conduct on his part, that pretty much sums it up.
First. I am only concerned about his behavior while President.

Second. “very nice words’ and a quote from someone who practices Judaism and is waiting for a political messiah, not God incarnate, doesn’t bother me.

You may not agree, but it’s my opinion. Your opinion doesn’t invalidate my opinion.

God bless you and God Bless President Trump
 
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I was asking about the actual quotations of words attributed to Trump (not the wrongful interpretations afterwards), and other facts -- non-opinion parts.

Did Trump really say all of those things???
Let's assume that he did. My point was that most of them are not remarkable EXCEPT that they are incorporated, time and again, into a comment about them in which the writer tells the reader what to think about his words.

“Chosen One”

“King of Israel”

“WHERE IS THE FEDERAL RESERVE?”

That's what the President is reported in that article as having said or written. Not very controversial are they? But then the writer fashions an entire argument around them, using his own--not Trump's--words and makes it look like the President was claiming all sorts of things that are what the author wants to think Trump not only meant but also what he said.

Of course there are more quote snippets in the article, but these--the first three--show what was going on there.

Now here is a longer selection from the article. See how it plays out.

Trump had questioned the “loyalty” of Jews who support Democratic politicians. Accusations of “dual loyalty” have been used in the past in an attempt to undermine and marginalize Jews living outside Israel.

See how Trump is quoted to the extent of one word, but then it is incorporated into something from unnamed persons in the past whom the writer says attempted to undermine and marginalize Jews living outside Israel.

Anyone who reads that is supposed to think that this is what Trump said himself and certainly that this was his meaning. All from one unremarkable word. And I am sure that many readers did take that to be his meaning as a result.
 
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See. If you look at the Tweet by itself, what did Trump call it

‘Very nice words’

You guys are being silly blowing it out of proportion.

For those wondering, I just tripled down
Yes I felt it is very good to get just exactly that context.

But....it does look like what is happening is the person is elevating Trump up to a very high place, lauding him greatly....

And while it's a weakness to need that, and want it, from others, several things are not clear yet.

Is Trump is aware of that pride is a very serious weakness that quickly becomes a wrong. I'm not concluding anything, but it's a concerning thing to any voter of course. Does Trump have humility? Of course a Christian must have some (it is not optional Christ tells us in the Gospel of Matthew, but required to make it).
 
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Yes I felt it is very good to get just exactly that context.

But....it does look like what is happening is the person is elevating Trump up to a very high place, lauding him greatly....

And while it's a weakness to need that, and want it, from others, several things are not clear yet.

Is Trump is aware of that pride is a very serious weakness that quickly becomes a wrong. I'm not concluding anything, but it's a concerning thing to any voter of course. Does Trump have humility? Of course a Christian must have some (it is not optional Christ tells us in the Gospel of Matthew, but required to make it).
With all the corruption in politics, pride is one of the less concerning.

Notice I said “less concerning”
 
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I am not sure anyone who brags about grabbing married women "by their pu**y" is serving God.

Yes, Israelis and many American Jews do like him for his support of Israel and moving the US embassy.

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How long ago did he say that? And he said it around a group of men in a "locker room" scenario correct? If i move outside of my female identity requiring me to be outraged at the comment and think fairly about the situation - women say equally degenerate things about men and sex when among other women when is the same locker room mindset. Things i said about men and sex (before i knew Jesus and the bible was real), should those all be held against me? If i said i respect and value the role of men in the world and our families - everyone who knew i committed adultery in the past and said disrespectful comments about guys should bring it up as proof there's no way i could currently be serving God now knowing i did and said that in my past?
 
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Let's assume that he did. My point was that most of them are not remarkable EXCEPT that they are incorporated, time and again, into a comment about them in which the writer tells the reader what to think about his words.

“Chosen One”

“King of Israel”

“WHERE IS THE FEDERAL RESERVE?”

That's what the President is reported in that article as having said or written. Not very controversial are they? But then the writer fashions an entire argument around them, using his own--not Trump's--words and makes it look like the President was claiming all sorts of things that are what the author wants to think Trump not only meant but also what he said.

If so, that would be very important, even if the piece is merely an opinion piece. Even then.

I wasn't worried about Trump jokingly referring to himself at one point later as 'the chosen one' and such. More, I tend (I'm older) to notice how writers tell us their interpretations, and I discount those interpretations. And then, when the quote seems to matter (some matter quite a bit), then I seek out the full context/video/tweet to get all he meant, more exactly. The thing is...even then, some of what he says is very troubling if one is favoring him, and concerning if one cares about him as a soul. I was especially troubled way back in early 2016, when he did the hyperbole about shooting someone on 5th avenue as an example. I got it it's hyperbole, and that was not the problem. The problem for that moment is the connotations, of his choice of words, in full context, taken in exactly the flavor and meaning in which he meant the words, without anyone spinning them.

Consider a different choice of wording: "I could drop someone's kid in the river and not lose voters." This would not be a problem at all -- it would refer to making an accidental mistake.

But this wording is chilling, because I get the real connotation, without any other person in the world trying to spin it in any manner, and hearing it in full context, exactly as it was meant.

Exactly as it is, with zero spin, and total full context:

Do you agree? -- first he tells the listeners things they love to hear....and then....

Yes, I could make myself decide to hear it as just totally innocent, merely a metaphor, nothing bad. I could spin it that way if I tried to...but if I just listen without a thought, it's instead a blow, a shock. This isn't a good or ok thing.
 
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I wasn't worried about Trump jokingly referring to himself at one point later as 'the chosen one' and such. More, I tend (I'm older) to notice how writers tell us their interpretations, and I discount those interpretations. And then, when the quote seems to matter (some matter quite a bit), then I seek out the full context/video/tweet to get all he meant, more exactly. The thing is...even then, some of what he says is very troubling if one is favoring him, and concerning if one cares about him as a soul. I was especially troubled way back in early 2016, when he did the hyperbole about shooting someone on 5th avenue as an example. I got it it's hyperbole, and that was not the problem. The problem for that moment is the connotations, of his choice of words, in full context, taken in exactly the flavor and meaning in which he meant the words, without anyone spinning them.

Consider a different choice of wording: "I could drop someone's kid in the river and not lose voters." This would not be a problem at all -- it would refer to making an accidental mistake.

But this wording is chilling, because I get the real connotation, without any other person in the world trying to spin it in any manner, and hearing it in full context, exactly as it was meant.

Exactly as it is, with zero spin, and total full context:

Do you agree? -- first he tells the listeners things they love to hear....and then....
Sure, I would rather that he not talk like that. However, when he is the object of talk that is a hundred times worse, and it comes from people who have vowed to stop government from functioning, to say nothing of the Russia hoax and attempted coup, the responsible citizen doesn't have an unlimited number of choices when it come to leadership. It's always going to be a choice of this one versus that one. A loose tongue...or them.

The people voted, and they will get another chance next year. That is how things work in a democracy.
 
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Sure, I would rather that he not talk like that. However, when he is the object of talk that is a hundred times worse, and it comes from people who have vowed to stop government from functioning, to say nothing of the Russia hoax and attempted coup, the responsible citizen doesn't have an unlimited number of choices when it come to leadership. It's always going to be a choice of this one versus that one. A loose tongue...or them.

The people voted, and they will get another chance next year. That is how things work in a democracy.

What do you mean by "the Russian hoax" exactly? Republicans in the Senate pretty broadly agree and say Russia tried to interfere in the election, so I guess you don't mean whether or not Russia did anything like that? (Or do you?)

The very conservative National Review (or pick any other older established conservative source):

The Senate Intelligence Committee confirmed Friday that Russian hackers targeted election systems in all 50 states in advance of the 2016 elections, but did not attempt to alter any vote totals.

The panel released the first section of a five-volume report on Thursday afternoon that details “an unprecedented level of activity against state election infrastructure” carried out by Russian hackers. While it was previously known that hackers targeted a handful of states in the run up to the election, the report revealed that the effort was more widespread that previously understood.

The committee noted that “Russian cyberactors were in a position to delete or change voter data” but said there is no evidence that any voting totals were changed. As of March, 67 percent of registered Democrats believed that Russian hackers had changed voting totals in the 2016 election, according to a YouGov poll.

The report, which was heavily redacted by the nation’s intelligence agencies..."
Russians Hacked Election Systems in 50 States, Senate Intel Confirms | National Review

 
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What do you mean by "the Russian hoax" exactly? Republicans in the Senate pretty broadly agree and say Russia tried to interfere in the election, so I guess you don't mean whether or not Russia did anything like that? (Or do you?)
You aren't aware that we just finished two years of the Mueller investigation into allegations that the Trump campaign and Trump himself "colluded" with Russia during and after the 2016 election?? It was not about the $2000 that Russia supposedly spent to confuse voters or something like that.

The very conservative National Review (or pick any other older established conservative source):
Perhaps we would do better to call National Review what it actually is...the leading voice of the NeverTrump people.
 
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to say nothing of the Russia hoax

Here's one I didn't even know until just now, via a centrist/somewhat right of center source, but you can verify elsewhere.

Sometimes even the administration was fooled by the fabrications from Russia, retweeting them:
Trump campaign officials, including senior adviser Kellyanne Conway and Donald Trump Jr., cited and retweeted content from the troll farm about topics including voter fraud and Clinton's handling of classified information, according to Mueller.
Mueller's team found that Trump campaign affiliates promoted "dozens" of tweets, posts and other political content created by the IRA
[Internet Research Agency, St. Petersburg, Russia; aka "Russian Troll Farm"].
Mueller identified 'dozens' of US rallies organized by Russian troll farm


The Hill
 
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I'm learning new disturbing things.

President Trump praised a New Hampshire Republican who said during the 2016 presidential campaign that Hillary Clinton should be shot by a firing squad.

During a rally in Manchester on Thursday, Trump noted his appreciation for state Rep. Al Baldasaro, who served as an informal adviser on the campaign for veterans issues.

The president called Baldasaro “one of our great friends” and thanked him for his loyalty.

Trump praises New Hampshire lawmaker who called for Clinton to be shot by firing squad


Washington Examiner media bias rating is Lean Right. (conservative)
Washington Examiner
 
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First. I am only concerned about his behavior while President.
Second. “very nice words’ and a quote from someone who practices Judaism and is waiting for a political messiah, not God incarnate, doesn’t bother me.
You may not agree, but it’s my opinion. Your opinion doesn’t invalidate my opinion.
God bless you and God Bless President Trump

Well, his behavior as president has been filled with lies, falsehoods, egoism, vitriol, and unmerited attacks on anyone who disagrees with him. Again, it seems his supporters want to set aside that many other statements could have made to get the point across concerning China other than "the chosen one", and in the context of the re-tweet it falls clearly into his compulsive self aggrandizement. Stroke trump's ego and he loves you, but criticize him and the hatred ensues... what a godly man he is!

As is obvious on this board myriad times trump supporters will go through mental gymnastics time and again to defend whatever trump says, whatever he does, and do so through their rose colored glasses...

You are correct, your opinion is yours not invalidated by mine...however, what you are incapable of doing is invalidating the facts that were presented to you in previous posts.
 
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Provide evidence of mothers accusing Biden of pedophile behavior with their children.
It’s on video. And when it happens over and over and over and over a grown person can decide.

This behavior with children is scary. Very scary.
 
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In other witds - America chose him to be president .

Do trump supporters ever get dizzy with all the spinning? How many times has trump described himself as the chosen one?
 
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Well, his behavior as president has been filled with lies, falsehoods, egoism, vitriol, and unmerited attacks on anyone who disagrees with him. Again, it seems his supporters want to set aside that many other statements could have made to get the point across concerning China other than "the chosen one", and in the context of the re-tweet it falls clearly into his compulsive self aggrandizement. Stroke trump's ego and he loves you, but criticize him and the hatred ensues... what a godly man he is!

As is obvious on this board myriad times trump supporters will go through mental gymnastics time and again to defend whatever trump says, whatever he does, and do so through their rose colored glasses...

You are correct, your opinion is yours not invalidated by mine...however, what you are incapable of doing is invalidating the facts that were presented to you in previous posts.
“unmerited attacks” and I’m the one doing mental gymnastics?
 
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Well, his behavior as president has been filled with lies, falsehoods, egoism, vitriol, and unmerited attacks on anyone who disagrees with him.
"disagrees with him." What a stunningly antiseptic way of describing people who accused the president of being a Nazi, racist, white supremacist, misogynist, xenophobe, child molester, would-be dictator, etc. and called for his imprisonment or assassination, sometimes acting it out for us online or on stage.
 
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