Who thinks Trump's claim to be the chosen one was sacrilegious

Halbhh said:

I actually expected from your post, that the (assumed) opinion piece must have been be pretty bad, a screed, but a lot of it (not all) is just telling factual things that have happened.

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Not really. These kinds of articles carefully select words that give a certain slant to the topic, leading the reader to a conclusion that is intended.

Here's an example from the article:

"His putative status as the reincarnated Christian savior was not among the many topics Trump touched on Wednesday."

Trump of course never claimed to be the reincarnated Christian savior. That is simply absurd.

However, this line, given as a conclusion to the allegations made against him and characterizations of him given by the editorialist earlier in the article, was made to seem legitimate by all of that which that writer had already stuffed into his "news" report.

What's more, the use of the word putative in the statement I quoted is completely and undeniably wrong. Here is the definition:

putative

• adj.
  Generally regarded as such; supposed.
• 
  Supposed; reputed; commonly thought or deemed: as, the putative father of a child.
• adj.
  Commonly thought or deemed; supposed; reputed.

Trump, as we all know, is not generally thought, reputed to be, or supposed by the people generally...to be the reincarnated Christian savior. But look how many posters here took the whole hit job in stride, appearing never to have noticed that it was the writer more than the President who created the issue.

ToBeLoved said:

What’s your dream country to live in?

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I already live in it.

ToBeLoved said:

He mentions God publicly more than many Christians I know. That’s very sad, but many Christians are very hypocritical in what they do and what they expect from others.

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We have a president whose personal morals and serial adulteries are an affront to Christian values in almost every way, but who publicly mentions God constantly. His predecessor was a man whose personal morality and family are exemplars of Christian behavior in almost every way, but who only occasionally publicly mentions God.

Which of those do you think Jesus would consider to be His followers?

Albion said:

Not really. These kinds of articles carefully select words that give a certain slant to the topic, leading the reader to a conclusion that is intended.

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Sometimes the person being quoted in the article, pauses, turns toward the sky and delivers a line in a deliberate fashion so that it will lead to an intended conclusion. Like Trump did in this instance.

As I said earlier; in print I thought the phrase was far less insulting to Christianity than I did after seeing how he delivered it in the video. That's my opinion, and of course you are welcome to yours.

JacksBratt said:

That's just it... He's not bad at his job...

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America disagrees with you...

Donald Trump's Approval Rating Slides to 36%
Amid numerous political scandals and an unfurling trade war with China that shows little sign of de-escalation, President Donald Trump lacks the broad confidence of the American public, according to a new AP-NORC poll.

Sixty-two percent of U.S. adults disapprove of the way Trump is handling his job, compared with 36 percent who approve. Predictably, the partisan divides swing favorably or unfavorably towards the president depending on political affiliation. But, notably, the coveted class of self-identified political independents remains opposed to the president, with 65 percent disapproving of the way he is handling his job.
Donald Trump's approval rating slides to 36%, the lowest it's been since January

Realistically, look at his tweets. He's not getting better. Each day's output is weirder than the previous day.

he is just not the person who the powers that be wanted to win..

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More to the point, he's just not the person Americans want to lead this nation. For obvious reasons. His behavior is increasingly erratic and harmful to America.

Albion said:

Here's an example from the article:

"His putative status as the reincarnated Christian savior was not among the many topics Trump touched on Wednesday."

Trump of course never claimed to be the reincarnated Christian savior. That is simply absurd.

However, this line, given as a conclusion to the allegations made against him and characterizations of him given by the editorialist earlier in the article, was made to seem legitimate by all of that which that writer had already stuffed into his "news" report.

What's more, the use of the word putative in the statement I quoted is completely and undeniably wrong. Here is the definition:

putative

• adj.
  Generally regarded as such; supposed.
• 
  Supposed; reputed; commonly thought or deemed: as, the putative father of a child.
• adj.
  Commonly thought or deemed; supposed; reputed.

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There's only one error in the example line from the article. It was in regards to Trump's putative status as the Jewish savior, not the Christian savior. So that one word is incorrect.

Trump distributed, twice, to millions of people specifically and to the general public via his official White House communications mechanism the following statement, "President Trump is the greatest President for Jews and for Israel in the history of the world, not just America, he is the best President for Israel in the history of the world...and the Jewish people in Israel love him like he’s the King of Israel. They love him like he is the second coming of God.."

Yes that's a putative claim based on the definition you posted*, a claim that suggests it is generally regarded as such or supposed of the Jewish people in Israel.
This was not one of the topics Trump addressed Wednesday while he did claim to be, [turns and looks to the sky] "the chosen one."

*previous version attributed the definition to Albion.

ToBeLoved said:

He mentions God at every single rally and every speech that is not part of his role as President.

For example his CPAC speech.

He mentions God publicly more than many Christians I know. That’s very sad, but many Christians are very hypocritical in what they do and what they expect from others.

Maybe you should watch one of his rally’s. Their on YouTube

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The "god" he talks about in association with himself looks nothing like Christ. Just speaking the word "god" over and over again doesn't mean anything in and of itself. He knows very well that saying the word "god" is a trigger word that allows more people to fall for his (or his handlers') deceptions. Please be more discerning than just counting the number of times someone says "Lord, Lord".

FenderTL5 said:

Yes that's a putative claim based on your definition, a claim that suggests it is generally regarded as such...

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No, it is not generally believed that President Trump is reincarnated or anybody's religious savior, and it is not "my" definition.

thecolorsblend said:

America is the most consequential country since the Roman Empire. On that basis, I can't see a way around the reality that anybody who leads it was chosen by God to do so.

This includes the Presidents that I like and the ones I don't like as well.

I would say that President Trump isn't wrong when he claims that God put him in the Presidency.

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Yes and No.
We don't know about many things going on in the kingdom of Heaven, that is one of the lessons the book of Job teaches Christians. There was no pillar of fire by night and a pillar of cloud by day following President Trump on his campaign schedule.

I believe it's far more of a complex issue than the rational you presented is able to explain. There are a number of relevant questions that need to be answered before a person can try to comprehend the idea of being chosen by God.

Was Trump chosen or was he allowed to become President?

What evidence is there to suggest that God has chosen anyone in our modern age from George Washington to Winston Churchill?

Will God also choose people like Hitler, Stalin and Mao to lead nations?

Is a person raised from birth to fulfill the task of leading a nation or does God even need anyone to achieve a desired outcome for a nation?

Personally as far as President Trump is concerned, I don't know if he was being satirical about his situation or realizing and expressing that he has a job that is difficult for him to do alone.

RDKirk said:

Why don't you?

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My point is that I’m not sure people follow other politicians on Twitter and see exactly what the other party (the pro abortion party) posts.

Wasn’t your point no politician tweets like that?

Well how do you know if you don’t see what other politicians are posting

Albion said:

..it is not "my" definition.

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I amended my comment to read, "the definition you posted."

Yarddog said:

Mentioning God at a campaign rally that he knows is likely filled with members of the Christian "right" doesn't mean anything more than he knows his base.

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You took it out of context.

People were complaining that he prays and saying he was fake praying (never heard any other Christian be accused of this by other Christians).


What I said is that he ALSO mentions God in his rally’s and speeches, like CPAC.

Please don’t take my posts out of context

Sparagmos said:

Annnnd....the double down!

So, in other words, Trump could be the Jewish messiah, or at least they could think he is. And Trump is promoting that idea.

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I hope I have the opportunity soon to triple down.

God bless President Trump!

Did you know as of Monday, Planned Parenthood is no longer taxpayer funded?

Our President is saving thousands of babies!

Albion said:

Here's an example from the article:

"His putative status as the reincarnated Christian savior was not among the many topics Trump touched on Wednesday."
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What’s also interesting is how the “press” took a quote from a believer in ‘Judaism’, who believes in a political messiah coming.

Then turned it around to have ‘Christian’ connotations, because our belief is Jesus is Messiah and God.

People are so unaware that they are constantly being manipulated.

Even the wording “Christian savior” is meant to target a certain group

According to the context he was claiming to be the one chosen to deal with China.

He wasn't claiming to be God or the Messiah..

StevenBelievin said:

According to the context he was claiming to be the one chosen to deal with China.

He wasn't claiming to be God or the Messiah..

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Amen.

I said that earlier but people want to forget the context.

NativeAmes said:

Think it was from the cspan footage mainly, that was where i saw it anyway, any woman who has faced sexual predators recognizes the body language and behaviour a mile away, mothers watching that catch on quickly too or anyone who experienced child sex abuse recognizes the signs. Something is perverted and invasive with that guy for sure.

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That's ridiculous, you should be ashamed of making such a serious accusation without any evidence at all.