What do Democrats see in Ocasio-Cortez?

JacobKStarkey · Mar 12, 2019

Aldebaran said:
Really? Let's take a look at the facts:
Democrats are the ones always screaming about Republicans being racist. The Democrats are the ones that claim to be so concerned about black rights and freedom, while accusing Republicans of being the ones that oppress them.

Fact: Democrats were the ones in the South who didn't want slavery abolished. Politics of Race: Democrat-slavery vs Republican-abolition

The facts are that the far right rage and hate against the Democrats.

The Democrats in the slavery days were CONSERVATIVES.

The Republicans today are supposedly CONSERVATIVES, and have real grief the blacks will not vote for the party.

The Barbarian · Mar 12, 2019

HannahT said:
You might want to check some polls before claiming what America's top priorities are there. Affordable healthcare is there, but Climate change and Income Inequality? They don't do even hit the top 10.

Those might be Cortez's top priorities, but they aren't America's.

Criticizing this woman is the way the political ball bounces, and sadly I doubt anyone really warned her about this. You can tell by the way she reacts not by 'demonizing' her, but by pointing out some realities. This has happened to green politicians before, and it will happen again. You better remind because she has brought political conditions of centuries past as WHY they criticize her. As you said - it might show desperation there!

Education, healthcare, the economy and social security all ranked at the top of the list of what Americans believe should be Congress and the White House's top priorities, according to a new Gallup survey released Wednesday.

Yekcidmij · Mar 13, 2019

JacobKStarkey said:
I am correctly describing the far right.

OK, I thought you might be trying to participate in the discussion on this thread. Please continue.

JacobKStarkey · Mar 13, 2019

I am participating constructively in this thred, and your are misunderstanding what I am doing.

Aldebaran · Mar 14, 2019

The Barbarian said:
Just because conservatives try to find ways to keep them from voting, and welcome white nationalists. What's to be afraid of?

More fear mongering from the Left....

The Barbarian said:
Yeah, that would make them distrust conservatives. Of course, conservatives also like to project their racism onto democrats.

Sure, the original slavery advocates. The ones who originally championed slavery and now claim they are the champions of their descendants (while portraying them as less than everyone else by coddling them as inferiors) are the same ones who champion socialist policies, and are slowly coming out of the closet as socialists even as most of them remain in denial.

The Barbarian · Mar 14, 2019

Barbarian observes:
Just because conservatives try to find ways to keep them from voting, and welcome white nationalists. What's to be afraid of?

Aldebaran said:
More fear mongering from the Left....

As “evidence of justifications” for the changes to early voting, the State offered purported inconsistencies in voting hours across counties, including the fact that only some counties had decided to offer Sunday voting. The State then elaborated on its justification, explaining that “[c]ounties with Sunday voting in 2014 were disproportionately black” and “disproportionately Democratic.”

Socioeconomic disparities establish that no mere “preference” led African Americans to disproportionately use early voting, same-day registration, out-of-precinct voting, and preregistration. Nor does preference lead African Americans to disproportionately lack acceptable photo ID. Yet the district court refused to make the inference that undeniably flows from the disparities it found many African Americans in North Carolina experienced. Registration and voting tools may be a simple “preference” for many white North Carolinians, but for many African Americans, they are a necessity.
From the decision by U.S. Court of Appeals for the 4th Circuit, striking down the North Carolina Voter Suppression Act
FACT CHECK: Did North Carolina Admit to Targeting Black Voters with a 'Voter ID' Law?

“White nationalists, white supremacists, western civilization — how did that language become offensive? Why did I sit in classes teaching me about the merits of our history and our civilization?” White nationalist, and republican representative, Steve King
Steve King asks how terms 'white nationalist' and 'white supremacist' became offensive

In Illinois, Jones, who called the Holocaust “the biggest, blackest lie in history” and once ran a newspaper ad with a large swastika in the middle, is the Republican candidate for Congress, after he won the party primary by running unopposed in a largely Democratic district.

Russel Walker, running for a seat in North Carolina’s state house, proclaims “there is nothing wrong with being a racist” and that Jews are “descendants of Satan”.

In Wisconsin, Paul Nehlen, the leading Republican running to fill the seat in Congress currently held by retiring Speaker of the House Paul Ryan, has emerged as a leader of the alt-right movement, someone who critics warn wants to provide white nationalists and anti-Semites a stronger foothold in US culture and politics.
The Nazis, racists and bigots on the US ballot in 2018

Sure, the original slavery advocates. The ones who originally championed slavery

The Federalists? What are you talking about? These guys are republicans. We're talking about the racists now, and which party they're in. See above, if you don't know.

"I just feel more comfortable in the republican party." KKK and Nazi member David Duke

JacobKStarkey · Mar 14, 2019

Anyone who denies the obvious visual impact of white nationalism in American politics since November 2016 needs to explain why they deny it.

jgarden · Mar 14, 2019

HannahT said:
You might want to check some polls before claiming what America's top priorities are there. Affordable healthcare is there, but Climate change and Income Inequality? They don't do even hit the top 10.

Those might be Cortez's top priorities, but they aren't America's.

FT_19.02.05_PartisanPriorities_RepublicansandDemocrats.png

It should come as no surprise that Democrats and Republicans don't share the same priorities, but in some cases its often placing a different emphasis on the same underlying issue.

Social Security (R) - Medicare (D), Healthcare (D)
Economy (R) - Jobs (R)(D), Poor and Needy (D)
Immigration (R) - Race Relations (D)
Crime (R) - Drug Addiction (D), Poor and Needy (D), Race Relations (D)

JacobKStarkey · Mar 14, 2019

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JacobKStarkey · Mar 14, 2019

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SinoBen · Mar 15, 2019

seekingmuch said:
The news media loves and so do a lot of Democrats. But why? She recently cost NY $24.5 billion in tax revenue and 143,000 jobs over 10 years as her and others got Amazon to scuttle plans for HQ2 in Long Island City.

Her Green Deal is a joke that would cost $53-93 trillion over 10 years.

She's basically a 15 watt bulb in a socket that requires 100 watts.

Why is the news media making such a big deal over her? I don't get it.

You are right there. What they see? What ever the deluded is pleased to see. Check it up and it'll be anything that is against what the bible teaches and warns against. AOC is after power, what applies to the masses does not apply to her because she is "the boss".

Note that she is a player... the ones behind her, the globalist are the ones in control.

Aldebaran · Mar 15, 2019

JacobKStarkey said:
Anyone who denies the obvious visual impact of white nationalism in American politics since November 2016 needs to explain why they deny it.

I'm still waiting for the democrats and their minions to justify their party's advocacy of slavery from their very foundation.

EpiscipalMe · Mar 15, 2019

Aldebaran said:
I'm still waiting for the democrats and their minions to justify their party's advocacy of slavery from their very foundation.

Can’t justify slavery, that is why no one is trying to. It is also why the Dems gave that up. White supremaciats ally with the Republican Party. I’m sorry that this is an uncomfortable truth for you.

JacobKStarkey · Mar 15, 2019

That is a silly reply, Aldebaran, and a very poor attempt to deflect. Episcipal righteously corrected your point. Think and learn from it.

It was Conservatives who did that, and in the 1920s upper MidWest GOP were big in the Klan.

The Alt Right is infected with white nationalism and must purge it before real America can trust the GOP again.

Aldebaran · Mar 15, 2019

EpiscipalMe said:
Can’t justify slavery, that is why no one is trying to. It is also why the Dems gave that up. White supremaciats ally with the Republican Party. I’m sorry that this is an uncomfortable truth for you.

Nor can you justify their advocacy of it, which is what my actual statement was: "justify their party's advocacy of slavery".
Also, they didn't give it up. They simply resurrected it under a more politically correct image, which seems to be one of their specialties.

Aldebaran · Mar 15, 2019

JacobKStarkey said:
That is a silly reply, Aldebaran, and a very poor attempt to deflect. Episcipal righteously corrected your point. Think and learn from it.

Except that his reply was based on rewording my statement.

JacobKStarkey said:
It was Conservatives who did that, and in the 1920s upper MidWest GOP were big in the Klan.

Please look at History before you make such claims: https://www.history.com/topics/reconstruction/ku-klux-klan
Founded in 1866, the Ku Klux Klan (KKK) extended into almost every southern state by 1870 and became a vehicle for white southern resistance to the Republican Party’s Reconstruction-era policies aimed at establishing political and economic equality for blacks. Its members waged an underground campaign of intimidation and violence directed at white and black Republican leaders.

JacobKStarkey said:
The Alt Right is infected with white nationalism and must purge it before real America can trust the GOP again.

Even though you're clearly avoiding the point, it's still a fact that the democrats party is the one that is enslaving black people all over again through dependence based on fear and intimidation and a victim identity.[/QUOTE]

EpiscipalMe · Mar 15, 2019

Aldebaran said:
Nor can you justify their advocacy of it, which is what my actual statement was: "justify their party's advocacy of slavery".
Also, they didn't give it up. They simply resurrected it under a more politically correct image, which seems to be one of their specialties.

You repeating it doesn’t make it true. You have zero evidence to support this claim.

Aldebaran said:
Except that his reply was based on rewording my statement.

Please look at History before you make such claims: https://www.history.com/topics/reconstruction/ku-klux-klan
Founded in 1866, the Ku Klux Klan (KKK) extended into almost every southern state by 1870 and became a vehicle for white southern resistance to the Republican Party’s Reconstruction-era policies aimed at establishing political and economic equality for blacks. Its members waged an underground campaign of intimidation and violence directed at white and black Republican leaders.

Even though you're clearly avoiding the point, it's still a fact that the democrats party is the one that is enslaving black people all over again through dependence based on fear and intimidation and a victim identity.

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Again - this is all in the distant past. The racists switched allegiances from Dem to Republican over half a century ago.

JacobKStarkey · Mar 15, 2019

Aldebaran said:
Except that his reply was based on rewording my statement.

I wrote "It was Conservatives who did that, and in the 1920s upper MidWest GOP were big in the Klan", which is a correction, not a rewording, and is accurate.

Quit trying to pretend that American slavery was not done by Conservatives, and don't try to pretend that Democrats were the driving force of the 1964 and 1965 civil liberties acts.

Did you know that EVERY GOP member of Congress and the Senate voted against the CRA in 1964?

Did you know that the western and northern Dems in the Congress and the Senate in 1964 had a higher voting rate in the affirmative for the CRA than northern and western Republicans?

Stay within the bounds of historical fact, please.

Shiloh Raven · Mar 15, 2019

JacobKStarkey said:
I wrote "It was Conservatives who did that, and in the 1920s upper MidWest GOP were big in the Klan", which is a correction, not a rewording, and is accurate.

Quit trying to pretend that American slavery was not done by Conservatives, and don't try to pretend that Democrats were the driving force of the 1964 and 1965 civil liberties acts.

Did you know that EVERY GOP member of Congress and the Senate voted against the CRA in 1964?

Did you know that the western and northern Dems in the Congress and the Senate in 1964 had a higher voting rate in the affirmative for the CRA than northern and western Republicans?

Stay within the bounds of historical fact, please.

If you haven't read this article: The Real Origins of the Religious Right, then I recommend you do. It's a lengthy article, but I think it's well worth the time it takes to read it through. I think it's a real eye-opener on the actual origins of the conservative Religious Right. It certainly is revealing, IMHO.

Shiloh Raven · Mar 15, 2019

EpiscipalMe said:
Can’t justify slavery, that is why no one is trying to. It is also why the Dems gave that up. White supremaciats ally with the Republican Party. I’m sorry that this is an uncomfortable truth for you.

White supremacists most certainly do ally themselves with the Republican Party and with Trump.

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US neo-Nazi groups on the rise under President Donald Trump: report

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I provided several more articles in my previous post here in another thread earlier this evening.

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