Three Revelations

It is commonly believed that God created the world to have children able to freely choose between good and evil, and God did this to have children who freely made the choice to be His children. This means that creation is basically a test and it suggests that our choices determine our eternal destiny.

However, the big bang clearly shows that time and space had a beginning which means God transcends time and space. God foreknew all our choices and God has all the control over our nature and our environment that He chooses to exercise. God intervenes in human affairs to rescue some people, but not others. God reveals Himself to some people, but not others. Creation does not seem to be a test. This is not to say that it is unfair, unjust or in any way wrong for God to put His thumb on the scales—God can do anything He wants—but the world is an unlevel playing field and God intervenes in creation in ways that indicate He is not concerned with conducting a fair and unbiased test.

First Revelation

The first revelation is that God created the world for the emotions we experience. These emotions include a lot of pain and heartache, but in the end, God heals us and gives us eternal life, and the painful emotions we experience are central to the purpose of creation. Creation is about love in all its complex attributes. Sorrow, heartache, sacrifice, compassion, forgiveness, loneliness--could these emotions be so useless and so insignificant to a truly loving God that they should never even exist?

God understands what we are going through, and He understands it better than we do because He has experienced this journey through many generations of His children. It is impossible to grasp the astounding level of grief that God has experienced through His children, and the infinite understanding that the human experience has provided God. The wisdom that God receives through creation was always part of God since God transcends time so that creation--as it must be--is an essential experience by which an infinitely Righteous God is completed.

Creation is not a test. This means our choices do not determine our eternal fate. God will somehow redeem all His children to eternal life regardless of their choices, however our choices can impact the difficulty of our journey.

Second Revelation

The second revelation is that God transcends time, but Christ is a part of God that separated from God and came into time. As stated in the Nicene Creed, Christ was not made but was “begotten” of God. Christ came from the essence or substance of God. Transcending time and space there is only one God. Christ came from oneness with God into time and Christ must therefore return to oneness with God at the end of time. This is how Christ is God, and yet there is only one God. This is why Christ is called “Son” of God and not brother of God.

The return of Christ to oneness with God means that Christ discards His physical body at or before the end of time. This makes it completely fair and reasonable for our bodies to be discarded. We are each one person, body, soul and spirit; but thanks to Christ we each become two people. Our spirit is judged separately from our body and is found worthy of eternal life and is given a new body. This separation of our body from our spirit is justified by Christ because He is one of us. Christ redeems us and by His stripes we are healed, but He redeems us without a transfer of responsibility for sin. The idea that Christ becomes responsible for our sins is one reason the Jews still reject Jesus as the Messiah since this idea violates the Scriptures.

Christians believe in substitution atonement because they feel they must believe in it. They have found no way to reconcile the words of Jesus with some passages in the Scriptures, so they simply ignore those passages. God prevented people from seeing this simple solution which actually does reconcile the words of Jesus with the Scriptures. This means it reconciles Christianity and Judaism on a very fundamental issue. Jesus does not become responsible for our sins, but He does justify the transformation of us into people worthy of eternal life, a necessary perfection we can never achieve by ourselves. As He said, Jesus is the only way to the Father. A person does not have to be a Christian for this redemption by separation, they only have to possess within themselves a spirit of unselfish love which is the true child of God created in the image of God. Jesus redeems all His children.

Third Revelation

The purpose of creation required that God create a world with creatures capable of both good and evil. God did not give Satan the ability to love others knowing that Satan would become evil. God gave humans the ability to love others knowing that Satan would influence the humans causing them to struggle between good and evil. This is how the purpose of creation is achieved, but Satan stays within the letter of the Law while humans violate the Law. Satan believes he has demonstrated that power trumps love, but this is exactly what God knew would happen. We children of God are condemned by the Law while Satan is not, but Christ redeems us from our sins and Christ also destroys evil.

The third revelation is that when Jesus was on the cross the devil's hatred of God was exposed. This is why Christ was so repulsed by the cross that He was sweating blood. This is the unimaginable sacrifice that God made for us since God is repulsed by evil and the evil that was poured out on Christ when He was on the cross was immeasurable.

God had forsaken Christ by looking away from the crucifixion and the devil thought Jesus was a mere human who couldn’t witness his loathing. To this day the devil doesn't know that Jesus is a witness against him because the devil doesn't know that Jesus is the Lord. Jesus is at the "right hand" of God, a place that transcends Heaven; and the Christians have preached of a "Trinity" which the devil knows to be false.

Jesus came from oneness with God and Jesus will return to oneness with God. Until now, no one has considered the possibility that God is able to send part of Himself into time; but why not, God created time. Jesus is the “faithful witness” to the sin of the devil, and as Jesus returns to oneness with God there are two witnesses against the devil as required by the Law. Humanity is redeemed, and Satan is condemned by the Law.

It is this revelation (these three revelations) that exposes the truth, that causes the debate between Michael and the devil that end in Satan being cast out of Heaven into the Earth causing Armageddon as described in the book of Revelation. It is this revelation of the truth in the end that causes the end. Jesus spoke in riddles because some secrets had to be kept until the time of the end. The revelation of secrets is why the book of the end is called the book of Revelation.

P.S.

As far as the Calvinism verses Arminianism debate, both are supported in the Bible and both must therefore be true. God determined to whom would be given a spirit of love and thanks entirely to Christ all those people are redeemed regardless of their religious belief or nonbelief. And yet everyone is judged by their works on the Day of Judgment, but thanks to Christ the children of God are found perfect on the Day of Judgment and being made perfect they are able to enjoy eternal life.

Southernscotty said:

Well to start, What of all the scripture that say we are to believe and confess Jesus Christ as Lord and Saviour?

Well to start, What of all the scripture that say we are to believe and confess Jesus Christ as Lord and Saviour?

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There is temporal salvation or the salvation in this life.

Like in the parables of Christ, any parable that talks of the fruit that is produced during a plant's lifetime would be the heaven in this world. Any parable that talks of the harvest would be referring to eternal Heaven.

At the harvest the wheat and the tares are separated which is the separation of spirit and flesh.

Southernscotty said:

Is what you are saying is that, what we do here doesn't matter and it will be at the great white throne judgement is where the decision will be made?

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It matters what we do. We are punished for our sins and rewarded for our righteousness. Eye for an eye. Our sins are not infinite and our righteousness is not infinite so our punishment and reward is limited. On the Day of Judgement it will be determined who is worthy of eternal life. We are not worthy of eternal life, but thanks to Christ we will be.

Southernscotty said:

Gods unmerited favor [grace] is the only way anyone will get in. :] I do agree with this. Now if you would please explain your non trinitarian view? Do you not believe Father, Son and Holy Spirit are equal and One that expresses three ways?

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Southernscotty said:

You are still saying that Christ had to come as an atonement for mankind though right?
I don't hold to the big bang theory, but am a young earth [7 thousand year] and I believe the worldwide flood changed everything to appear older.

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I also believe in a young earth, but this is because God transcends time. Time can be viewed as a 4th dimension of space that we move through in one direction. God has complete control over the speed of time and our perception of the speed of time. God can create the universe in the "space" of billions of years, and yet the angels or any who witness the creation would see it play out over a period of six days. After all what is a day? or a billion years? God has complete control over that.

It all depends on the definition of atonement. It is certainly true that we only make it to Heaven through Christ. Without Christ and His sacrifice we are lost. But I don't believe He becomes responsible for our sins. I don't believe any sin was ever on Christ. The repulsion that Christ expressed before going to the cross was not because He would have sin placed upon Himself. There is no sin on Him. Christ was sweating blood before the crucifixion because of the attack against Him by Satan.

Genesis 3:15 I will put enmity between you and the woman, and between your offspring and hers; he will strike your head, and you will strike his heel.

The serpent strikes the woman's offspring (Christ). Satan strikes His heel which is a painful wound. This shows the great agony as the devil exposed intense hatred to Christ while Jesus was dying on the cross. An Achilles' heel is a person's only weakness. The only weakness of the Lord is His revulsion to evil. Christ strikes the head of the serpent which is a fatal blow. Christ is now witness to Satan’s hatred of God which will lead to Satan being condemned.

We cannot begin to understand the sacrifice that Christ made for us. And yes we would be lost without it.

1213 said:

Hmmm… …I have understood that in the beginning people wanted to know good and evil like God knows. That is why we were expelled to this first death. So, in Biblical point of view this is really like a lesson. We are here to learn what good and evil really means. And those who are, or become righteous, have opportunity to come back to life, as the Bible teaches.

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Creation is the devise by which God understands good and evil. God transcends time so that this understanding has always been part of God, but emotions must be experienced. Creation must exist in order for the wisdom that is gained by creation to exists.

1213 said:

Is there any Biblical scripture to support that claim?

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Notice that Jesus did not weep at the death of Lazarus, but when He saw the grief of Mary and Martha. And Jesus who is with us always, still weeps when He sees His children in sorrow.

There are other passages in which the Lord expresses an emotion because of creation. Like in the flood when God “repented” that He had made man. If our sins or our suffering causes the Lord to suffer then this must be something that He wanted to experience since He foreknew the end from the beginning.

You say that we are here to learn good and evil, and that’s certainly possible, but God is with us on this journey and God shares in our sorrow and heartache. The fact that we go on this journey isn't nearly as significant as the fact that God shares this journey with us.

Humans always look at creation as being about them, just like people used to believe that the sun rotates around the Earth. People will say that God put us through this life to learn something, or to be changed in some way, or God wanted to have children who accomplished one thing or another, or who experienced one thing or another.

It may be true that God wants us to learn something or to experience something, but is more significant that God experiences emotions because of us. The Earth rotates the Sun. It really needs to be understood that creation is not about us, but is primarily about God. In the infinity that transcends time and space there is no us, there is only God. What does God gain from creation?

A lot, but the most significant is that He goes on this journey with us. Through creation, God also gets to have children to love, but not only that, He gets to express His love by making what is an incredible sacrifice to rescue His children from death. When He was on the cross, Christ was forced to look into the heart of evil, so God gains an understanding of what evil is.

So when I say that God wanted to go on this journey with us and experience these emotions that are only possible in a world of good and evil, this doesn't mean that is the only purpose for creation.

We learn from our journey in life and/or God learns from it, but I think we can agree that life is an incredible journey. You can love someone, but you don’t really understand what that means until they die. Intelligence, even infinite intelligence cannot calculate emotions. Intelligence is command of information, but wisdom is about emotions and experiences, and God has endless intelligence and wisdom.

I used to wonder if God would create another universe after this one ended. For whatever reason God created the world, I was afraid that the effect would diminish over time and God would need to start all over again. But I came to understand that God transcends time. Not that I understand timelessness, but I try to comprehend it in my limited intelligence. Imagine trillions of universes overlapping each other to form one four-dimension universe. Each individual universe is one moment in time much like one picture in series of pictures that make up a video.

The entire universe including every moment in time as a massive four-dimension universe is always before God which is to say always in the sight of God. The effect of creation upon God will never go away because the universe will never go away. All human history with all the suffering and heartache is forever before God. Not only will the universe always be before God, the universe has always been before God. We can’t understand this fully, but we can understand it enough to know that the universe must be something which is an essential part of God or an essential reflection of God. So yes, the wisdom that God gains through creation was always part of God because the universe has always been before God. Since that wisdom is an essential part of God, the universe must exist.

And that’s why it does.

As far as God "not being served by men’s hands" this is merely to say that we cannot do anything for God. Even if God created the world for us to learn something, this would be His purpose. It would have to be true that this is what God wanted. God wanted us to learn good and evil. By our learning this wisdom, God achieves His objective. This could also be characterized as God being served by men's hands.

I would say that as we go into eternal Heaven much of our pain and heartache in this life will be forgotten. It will be remembered by God since the universe will always be before God, but we will no longer remember our pain and anger. It certainly would not make sense that God put us on this journey for us to learn from the experiences of life if God erases those heartaches from our memory.

If God put sent us on this journey for us to learn wisdom, it would have to true that we will remember our mistakes, pain and heartaches for eternity.

That may be true, but it's not the best possible outcome.

When Jesus said this:


He didn’t say that the devil has already been cast out; He only said that He saw it. He could have been talking about a vision of a future event.

The one and only passage in the Bible that gives any clear indication as to *when* Satan is cast out of Heaven is the book of Revelation in which Satan is cast out in the last days.

Prior to the book of Revelation, the devil was never in open rebellion, but at some point, sin within the heart of Satan was or will be exposed.


Jesus destroys the devil. He doesn’t merely destroy the works of the devil, Jesus destroys the devil.


It is Jesus who destroys the devil and the devil is cast out because the sin within the heart of the devil is exposed. Therefore, Jesus exposes the sin within the heart of the devil.

Jesus, the right hand of God finds out those who hate God.


There was an attack on Jesus when He was on the cross.


Notice that they shoot in secret at the perfect. Who is perfect? Anybody other than Jesus?

The 22nd Psalms foretells the crucifixion in remarkable detail. The dogs mentioned in this passage are the Roman soldiers; but notice there are also much larger bulls who attack Christ with their mouths.


The following passage is believed to a prophecy of Mary’s heartache and that could be true, but there could also be another meaning. Simeon wasn’t just speaking to Mary, Jesus was there also.


The soul of Jesus was pierced and this attack exposed the thoughts of many hearts. This is the devil and his angels attacking Christ when Jesus was on the cross. In this way their hatred of God was exposed.


“They have no cloke for their sin” is reference to the fact that the evil of Satan and his angels is no longer hidden but has been witnessed by Christ. “Their Law” is reference to the fact that Satan has acknowledged and supported the Law by his condemnation of humanity.

Not long before going to the cross, Jesus said that “now” (because of something to occur at that time) the prince of the world “shall be” cast out.


In Genesis the serpent strikes the woman's offspring (Christ). It must be true that the devil, in some way, strikes Christ.


An Achilles' heel is a person's only weakness. The only weakness of the Lord is His revulsion to evil and this is how Jesus was attacked when He was on the cross. We really cannot begin to understand the great hatred that was directed at Jesus when He was dying on the cross. Christ strikes the head of the serpent which is a fatal blow. Christ is now witness to Satan’s hatred of God which will lead to Satan being condemned.

I was asked to provide Biblical support and I did, but there are several claims being made in the original post. I provided Biblical support for the claim that the devil exposed his hatred of God to Jesus when Jesus was dying on the cross, but I did not address the issue of how Christ redeems us.

Christ was crucified because of our sins, and through His death we are redeemed, but that doesn’t mean He redeems us by taking our guilt upon Himself. If a volunteer asks to be executed as a substitute for a convicted murderer, only an unethical judge would release the killer and execute the volunteer. God is a Perfect Judge, and the Bible clearly states that the responsibility for sin cannot be transferred. Jesus takes away our sins, but as a Righteous God, He must take away our sins in a manner that is completely fair. The death of Christ must redeem us in some way other that Christ taking responsibility for our words and actions.

As previously stated, my claim is that Christ redeems us by separating that part of us which is good from that part of us which is evil. Christ overcame the Law. He rose from the dead, by His own power, and justified by His own perfection. On the Day of Judgment Christ lays down His body which justifies our flesh being laid down or separated from our spirit. Our spirit is then judged separately. Our spirit is without sin and is found worthy of eternal life. We experience temporal punishment for our sins; but thanks to Christ, it is justice that we to go to Heaven. Our sinless spirit is not only worthy of eternal life it is also able to enjoy eternal life, and we are given a new glorified body. In this way Christ died for us, He is punished for us, He takes away our sins, He is the only way to the Father, and yet there is no unjust transfer of our guilt to Christ.

As far as Biblical support, a transfer of guilt is not a theme in the stories of the Bible, but separation is a very common theme in the Bible, and it is often is often associated with redemption.

In the first chapter of Genesis, God separated light from darkness, day from night. God separated water from water. In the Bible, water is sometimes used to represent the spirit while the flesh is made primarily of water. Separating water from water is an allusion to the separation of spirit from flesh.

God separated water from water when Moses brought Israel across the Red sea. Israel as a nation was born in bondage in Egypt. God separated Israel from Egypt. God brought the Israelites into the promised land by separating water from water in the Jordan river. In Joshua chapter 3, the water on one side rose up while the water on the other side failed and was cut off.

Water, blood or oil was often sprinkled in ceremonies of the Torah. To sprinkle a liquid is to separate it into smaller pieces. A sprinkled liquid is divided not into two pieces, but into many pieces but according to Isaiah, it is the nations that are sprinkled (Isaiah 52).

In the New Testament the nations are said to be separated (Matthew 14:32). Sprinkling is separating.

In the Bible, when an animal was sacrificed, it was often called a burnt offering and this was to emphasize the purpose or message of the sacrifice. The flesh of the animal is destroyed. In the Passover, the lamb is eaten which means the lamb gives up its flesh for the eater to have life. This is the same as the eucharist. Christ gives up His body for us to have life. This is what Christ is telling us with the eucharist.

Christ said He would give up His body. (Luke 22:19). After His resurrection Christ showed His disciples that He still had His body. (Luke 24:39-40). At some point Christ will give up His body. Then it will be completely fair for us to give up our bodies.

When Christ was crucified, the veil was rent or torn in two. The veil is torn into two pieces just as Christ will separate Himself from His flesh. The rocks also rent just as the children of God will also be separated from their flesh. (Matthew 27:51)

When Elijah went up by a whirlwind to heaven, symbolic of the resurrection, Elisha tore his clothes in half. (2 Kings 2:11-12)

According to several passages in the Bible, people will be ‘refined’. Refining is a type of separation as in the removal of impurities from gold or silver. (Jeremiah 9:7, Daniel 11:35, Malachi 3:2)

Another way in which the Bible reveals the plan of salvation is circumcision which is when part of a person is removed.

Christ described Judgment Day as the separation of sheep and goats (Matthew 25:31-46). Like all the other separating in the Bible, this is believed to be separating good people from bad people, but most of us are part sheep and part goat. Truly separating sheep from goats will require separating that part of us which is a sheep from that part of us which is a goat.

Jesus said to pluck out your eye if it offends, and to cut off your hand if it offends (Matthew 5:29-30). In other words, if a person is part good and part evil, you should throw out the part that is evil and keep the part that is good.

In the parable of the tares (Matthew 13), the tares and wheat became entangled together so that the tares could not be removed without destroying the wheat. This is because we are each one person, body and spirit. We are each judged as one person. Christians believe this parable is talking about separating good people from evil people, but an essential point in this parable is that the evil cannot be separated from the good until the harvest. God can separate good people from bad people at any time. On the Day of Judgment (the harvest) Christ discards His flesh and only then does it become possible for a Righteous God to destroy the tares (flesh) without destroying the wheat (spirit).

The ceremony that was used to cleanse someone with leprosy involved two birds. (Leviticus 14) One bird was killed in an earthen vessel; a second bird, a living bird, was turned loose.

In ancient Israel a person could take a “vow of separation”. A person who took this vow was called a Nazarite. (Numbers 6) A Nazarite is a representation of the spirit inside the child of God. A Nazarite must separate himself from dead flesh; they cannot go near a dead body. The hair on the head of the Nazarite is shaved and burned in the fire just as the flesh is thrown in the fire after it is separated from the spirit.

The apostle Paul often wrote of the spirit and the flesh. His words seemed to indicate that those who follow the Spirit are the children of God and those who follow the flesh are bound for destruction. This is true but Paul is not always referring to two different groups of people. Often, he is referring to the two different people in each child of God.

The spirit is willing, but the flesh is weak (Mark 14:38). The flesh is not evil, but it is influenced by Satan causing it to sin. The spirit cannot sin (1 John 3:9).

Even those who have lived and died without ever hearing the word “Jesus”, even those who do not believe in God will live again in the kingdom of Heaven if unselfish love, which comes only from God, is in their heart. Because of Christ all the children of God (spirits of love) in all nations and religions will fairly deserve eternal life.