And I will keep quoting Colossians 2,
Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross; And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it. Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
“For if righteousness comes through the law, then Christ died in vain.”
“For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes.”
The law and the ten commandments are only a precedent for us today. If you say we must adhere to ONE portion of Mosaic or Judaic law without adhering to all of it, then you pick and chose what applies and what doesn't. Colossians tells me that we are to set a day aside for Sabbath, a day of rest, and that's it!
The ten Commandments were given to Israel as a rule to live by. We are not saved by these commandments, but they are a good rule for believers to live by. Sabbath is a day of rest. As long as we all honor a day. We are no more obliged to adhere to the Saturday Sabbath than we are obliged adhere to food restrictions or to kill people for not honoring Sabbath.
Well brother the last post and all the scriptures in them pretty much dismantled your claims on COLOSSIANS 2:16-17. Your response here is to simply deny the post, not reposnd to it and all the scriptures in the previous post that disagrees with you.
You have not responded to the post provided to you sent in love only as a help, but chosen to simply ignore it. It is God's WORD not mine and it does indeed disagree with you. You can choose to respond to the post or ignore it. It is God's WORD not mine. I do not judge you as we are all only held accountable to God come judgment day *JOHN 12:47-48.
Happy to talk all about COLOSSIANS 2:14 if you like. If you want to quote v14 now it's no problem because this is the CONTEXT of v16-17. Let's go back to v 11 and look at the subject matter and work through and see if the scriptures line up with anything you are claiming. If you wish to ignore God's WORD again it is between you and God.
COL 2:11-17 CHAPTER CONTEXT
[11], In whom also you are
circumcised with the
circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ:
[12],
Buried with him in baptism, in which also you are risen with him through the faith of the working of God, who has raised him from the dead.
[13], And you, being dead in your sins and the
uncircumcision of your flesh, has he made alive together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;
[14],
BLOTTING OUT the
HANDWRITING of
ORDINANCES that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;
[15], And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a show of them openly, triumphing over them in it.
[16], Let no man therefore judge you in
FOOD AND DRINK, or in respect of a
HOLY DAY [FESTIVAL], or of the
NEW MOON, or of the
SABBATH DAYS:
[17], Which are a
SHADOW OF THINGS TO COME; but the body is of Christ.
CHAPTER CONTEXT OF COL 2:14 AND SUBJECT MATTER (COL 2:11-17)
V11. Shadows of the CEREMONIAL ORDINANCE of CIRCUMCISION pointing to CIRCUMCISION of the HEART MADE WITHOUT HANDS by the CIRCUMCISION of Christ.
THE SHADOW LAWS FORTOLD IN THE OLD AND NEW TESTAMENT SCRIPTURES….
DEUTERONOMY 10:16 [16]
CIRCUMCISE THERFORE THE FORESKIN OF YOUR HEART, and be no more stiff-necked.
DEUTERONOMY 30:6 [6] And the LORD your God will
CIRCUMCISE YOUR HEART AND THE HEART OF YOUR DECENDENCE, TO LOVE THE LORD YOUR GOD WITH ALL YOUR HEART AND WITHYOU’RE YOUR SOUL, THAT YOU MAY LIVE.
JEREMIAH 4:4 [4]
CIRCUMCISE YOURSELF TO THE LORD, AND TAKE AWAY THE FORESKINS OF YOUR HEART, you men of Judah and inhabitants of Jerusalem: lest my fury come forth like fire, and burn that none can quench it, because of the evil of your doings.
NOTE: NEW COVENANT FULFILLMENT of the SHADOWS of the
CEREMONIAL ORDINANCE of CIRCUMCISION pointing the CIRCUMCISION of the HEART through faith in Christ…
ROMANS 2:25-29 [25] For circumcision verily profits, if you keep the law: but if you are a breaker of the law, your circumcision is made uncircumcision. [26], Therefore if the uncircumcision keeps the righteousness of the law, shall not his uncircumcision be counted for circumcision? [27], And shall not uncircumcision which is by nature, if it fulfils the law, judge you, who by the letter and circumcision do transgress the law? [28],
FOR HE IS NOT A JEW, WHO IS ONE; NEITHER IS THAT CIRCUMCISION, WHICH IS OF THE OUTWARD FLESH: [29],
BUT HE IS A JEW WHICH IS ONE INWARDLY; AND CIRCUMCISION IS THAT OF THE HEART, IN THE SPIRIT AND NOT IN THE LETTER; WHOSE PRAISE IS NOT OF MEN BUT OF GOD.
1 CORITHIANS 7:19 [19]
CIRCUMCISION IS NOTHING, AND UNCIRCUMCISION IS NOTHING, BUT THE KEEPING OF THE COMMANDMENTS OF GOD.
This is the operation of GOD in the NEW COVENANT…
HEBREWS 8 [10], For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the Lord;
I WILL PUT MY LAWS INTO THEIR MINDS, AND WRITE THEM IN THEIR HEARTS: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:
CONCLUSION; The CEREMONIAL ORDINANCE of CIRCUMCISION is a Shadow law from the MOSAIC BOOK of the COVENANT pointing to a NEW HEART to LOVE and OBEY GOD in the NEW COVENANT
The SHADOW laws of the CEREMONIAL ORDINANCES of CIRCUMCISION from the Mosaic BOOK of the Covenant are the within CHAPTER CONTEXT BEFORE COL 2:14
Let's continue on through the chapter...
COL 2:14 SCRIPTURE SUBJECT MATTER AND CONTENT.
14, Blotting out the
HANDWRITING of
ORDINANCES that was
against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;
GREEK WORD MEANINGS AND WORD USE
14, “
BLOTTING OUT” < G1813 ἐξαλείφω exaleipho (
ex-a-lei'-fō)
v. means to rub out, i.e.
obliterate, erase> the “
HANDWRITING” < G5498 χειρόγραφον cheirographon (chei-ro'-gra-fon)
n. means something hand-written (“chirograph”),
a manuscript specially, a legal document > of “
ORDINANCES” < G1378 δόγμα
dogma (
d̮og'-ma)
n. means ordinance;
CIVIL, CEREMONIAL or ECCLESIASTICAL LAWS> that was against us, WHICH WERE AGAINST , and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;
The GREEK WORD meanings here in this scripture show that it follows the same CONTEXT of v11-13 in relation to the CEREMONIAL ORDINANCES found in the MOSAIC BOOK of the COVENANT.
V14 Blotting out or erasing the legal MANUSCRIPT or document of ORDINANCES referred to here are those of the CEREMONIAL ORDINANCES from the MOSAIC BOOK of the COVENANT.
The GREEK word for ORDIANACE is DOGMA meaning
THE CIVIL, CEREMONIAL and ECCLESIASTICAL ORDINANCES once again only found in the
MOSAIC BOOK of the Covenant *EXODUS 24:7
This scripture cannot be referring to the abolishing of the 10 commandments of God’s LAW as God’s 10 Commandments are not
ORDINANCES and they are not written in a MANUSCRIPT they are written on two tables of stone (Exodus 31:18). Also the chapter CONTEXT is in reference to the CEREMONIAL ORDINANCES of CIRCUMCISION once again from the MOSAIC BOOK of the OLD COVENANT. These were all SHADOWS ALONG WITH THE ORDINANCES OF v17 pointing to Christ and the plan of SALVATION.
ORDINANCES that were against us is referring to the also referring to the PENALTY of SIN (breaking God’s Commandments and the ORDINANCES of curses written once again in the MOSAIC BOOK of the Covenant.
DEUTERONOMY 31:26 [26] Take this Book of the Law, and put it in the side of the ark of the covenant of the LORD your God, that it may be there FOR A WITNESS AGAINST THEE.
DEUTERONOMY 30:19 [19] For GOD has said, I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, BLESSINGS AND CURSES: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live: [20] That thou mayest love the Lord thy God, and that thou mayest OBEY his voice, and that thou mayest cleave unto him: for he is thy life, and the length of thy days: that thou mayest dwell in the land which the LORD swore unto thy fathers, to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob, to give them.
(See the list of ORDINACES for curses of breaking Gods’ Law in DEUTERONOMY 28:15-68)
CONCLUSION; COL 2:14 is talking about the CEREMONIAL ORDINANCES written in the MOSIAC BOOK of the Covenant which are SHADOW laws pointing to Jesus and God’s plan of SALVATION. This is supported also by the within CHAPTER CONTEXT and SUBJECT matter of v16 which are all CEREMONIAL ORDINANCES written in the MOCAIC BOOK of the COVENANT and not referring to ABOLISHING God’s 10 Commandments.
LINKING THE OLD AND NEW COVENANT AND SCRIPTURES
HEBREWS 9:1-12 [1] Then verily
THE FIRST COVENANT HAD ALSO ORDINANCES of divine service, and a worldly sanctuary. [9] Which was a figure for the time then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience;[10]
WHICH STOOD ONLY IN MEATS AND DRINKS, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation.[12]
NEITHER BY THE BLOOD OF GOATS AND CALVES, BUT BY HIS OWN BLOOD he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.
old covenant...blood of goats.....The meat and drink offerings
HEBREWS 10:4-9 [4]
FOR IT IS NOT POSSIBLE THAT THE BLOOD OF BULLS AND OF GOATS SHOULD TAKE AWAY SINS.[5] Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:[6] In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin thou hast had no pleasure.[7] Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God.[8] Above when he said, sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings and offering for sin thou wouldest not, neither hadst pleasure therein; which are offered by the law;[9] Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God.
HE TAKETH AWAY THE FIRST, THAT HE MAY ESTABLISH THE SECOND.
EPHESIANS 2:15 [15]
HAVING ABOLISHED in his flesh the enmity, even the LAW OF COMMANDMENTS CONTAINED IN ORDINANCES; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;[16] And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:
HEBREWS 13:9-12 [9] Be not carried about with divers and strange doctrines. For it is a good thing that the heart be
ESTABLISHED WITH GRACE; NOT WITH MEATS, which have not profited them that have been occupied therein. [10] We have an altar, whereof they have no right to eat which serve the tabernacle. [11] For
THE BODIES OF THOSE BEASTS, WHOSE BLOOD is brought into the sanctuary by the high priest for sin, are burned without the camp. [12]
WHEREFORE JESUS ALSO, THAT HE MIGHT SANCTIFY THE PEOPLE WITH HIS OWN BLOOD, suffered without the gate.
The first covenant had ORDINANCES which stood ONLY in meat and drink offerings which were a figure. A shadow
EZEKIEL 46:14 [14] And thou shalt prepare a meat offering for it every morning, the sixth part of an ephah, and the third part of an hin of oil, to temper with the fine flour; a
MEAT OFFERING continually by a perpetual
ORDINANCE unto the LORD.
HEBREWS 10 [1] For
THE LAW HAVING A SHADOW of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with
THOSE SACRIFICES WHICH THEY OFFERED YEAR BY YEAR continually make the comers thereunto perfect.[2] For then would they not have ceased to be offered? because that the worshippers once purged should have had no more conscience of sins. [3] But in those sacrifices there is a remembrance again made of sins every year.[4] For
IT IS NOT POSSIBLE THAT THE BLOOD OF BULLS AND OF GOATS SHOULD TAKE AWAY SINS.
Hebrews 10 says it all. The shadow of the law was the offerings (the meat and drink offerings).
NUMBERS 19:2 [2] This is the
ORDINANCE OF THE LAW which the Lord hath commanded, saying, Speak unto the children of Israel, that they bring thee a red heifer without spot, wherein is no blemish, and upon which never came yoke:
JOHN 6:55 [55]
For my flesh is MEAT indeed, and my blood is DRINK indeed.
NUMBERS 18:8 [8] And the LORD spake unto Aaron, Behold, I also have given thee the charge of mine heave offerings of all the hallowed things of the children of Israel; unto thee have I given them by reason of the anointing, and to thy sons,
BY AN ORDINANCE for ever.[9] This shall be thine of the most holy things, reserved from the fire:
EVERY OBLATION of theirs,
EVERY MEAT OFFERING of theirs, and EVERY SIN OFFERING of theirs, and every trespass offering of theirs, which they shall render unto me, shall be most holy for thee and for thy sons.
The new covenant is all about the blood of Christ. Not changing the law....but fulfilling the law
ZECHARIAH 9:9 [9] Rejoice greatly, O daughter of Zion; shout, O daughter of Jerusalem: behold,
THY KING COMETH UNTO THEE: HE IS JUST, AND HAVING SALVATION; lowly, and riding upon an ass, and upon a colt the foal of an ass.[10] And I will cut off the chariot from Ephraim, and the horse from Jerusalem, and the battle bow shall be cut off: and he shall speak peace unto the heathen: and his dominion shall be from sea even to sea, and from river even to the ends of the earth.[11] As for thee also,
BY THE BLOOD OF THY COVENANT I have sent forth thy prisoners out of the pit wherein is no water
Verse 9 definitely prophecies of the coming Jesus. Verse 11, Jesus is called the blood of thy covenant
HEBREWS 12:23 [23] To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,[24] And to Jesus
THE MEDIATOR OF THE NEW COVENANT, AND TO THE BLOOD of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel.
New covenant...blood
LUKE 22 [19] And he took bread, and gave thanks, and brake it, and gave unto them, saying, This is my body which is given for you: this do in remembrance of me. [20] Likewise also the cup after supper, saying,
THIS CUP IS THE NEW TESTAMENT IN MY BLOOD, which is shed for you.
Jesus did not come to change or destroy the law. The sabbath is still to be kept. He came to fulfil what was written of Him in the books of the law and to END the Mosaic law for remission of SIN and the penalty of SIN in those who BELIEVE. NO MORE ORDINANCES WRITTEN IN THE BOOK of the OLD COVENANT Ceremonial/Levitical/Sacrificial laws and animal sacrifices.
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CONCLUSION; Jesus did not come to change or destroy GOD'S LAW (10 Commandments). It is through GOD's LAW that we have a KNOLWEDGE of what SIN is. The sabbath is still to be kept. He came to fulfil what was written of Him in the books of the law and to END the Mosaic law for remission of SIN and the penalty of SIN in those who BELIEVE
NO MORE ORDINANCES WRITTEN IN THE MOSAIC BOOK of the OLD COVENANT
Ceremonial/Levitical/Sacrificial laws and animal sacrifices and FORGIVENESS OF SIN and DELIVERANCE from the PENALTY of SIN through FAITH in CHRIST and the BLOOD of the NEW COVENANT.
You mix up God's ETERNAL LAW that give us the KNOWLEDGE of what SIN is when broken *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4 with the SHADOW laws from the MOSAIC BOOK of the COVENANT *DEUTERONOMY 31:26-28; EXODUS 24:7
Can you see your error here brother?
Hope this helps.
