Why is the day of worship controversial?

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Since you demand I include v 34, I want to ask why then did Jesus teach anything? Jesus did say this new covenant is active.
What do you make of - Jn 14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

Now brother, did I really demand you to do anything? Where did I do this? Saying you left out a scripture verse is not demanding anything is it? Why do you think JESUS taught anything? JESUS is the WORD of GOD and it is the WORD of GOD that points to JESUS *JOHN 1:1-4; 14.
JOHN 14:26 is a part of the NEW COVENANT promise to all those who BELIEVE and FOLLOW God's WORD *HEBREWS 8:11. It goes with JOHN 16:13; JOHN 7:17 and JOHN 8:31-36. This is what JEREMIAH 31:34 that you left out earlier is referring to.

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The famous 10 are part of the Law of Moses. I'm not part of the fearful. I've perfect peace with Jesus and rest for my soul. Mat 11:28-30. As badly as you want to establish I don't drink from the fountain of the water of life freely, I do. I no longer am thirsty. I no longer drink from the fountain of religion.

You are confused God's WORD teaches that God's eternal LAW (10 commandments) are not the MOSIAC BOOK of the law. God's 10 commandments are God's ETERNAL LAWS they are not the SHADOW laws of MOSES that point to JESUS and God's plan of salvation in the NEW COVENANT.

God's LAW was spoken and written by GOD alone *EXODUS 20:1-17; EXODUS 32:16. It is God's LAW (10 commandments that give us the KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL; SIN and RIGHTOUESNESS *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4; PSALMS 119:172. If you do not know what the OLD COVENANT is how can you understand what the NEW COVENANT is that the OLD COVENANT pointed to?

God's LAW gives us a KNOWLEDGE of what SIN is when broken *ROMANS 3:20. God's WORD says that if we break ANY ONE of God's 10 commandments we stand guilty before God of SIN *JAMES 2:10-11. God's WORD says that God's 4th Commandment is one of the 10 commandments *EXODUS 20:8-11.

God's WORD says all who CONTINUE in KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN will not enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN *HEBREWS 10:26-27 because they reject the gift of God's dear son *ROMANS 6:23. None of us have perfect peace with God while KNOWINGLY breaking anyone of God's 10 commandments *ISAIAH 48:22; 57:20-21; PROVERBS 28:9-13, neither do they KNOW God *1 JOHN 2:3-4.

Hope this helps.
 
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The volume of your posts require Christians to do (keep/observe) the law. It's true Romans says - Love works no ill to his neighbor: therefore, love is the fulfilling of the law. Yes I agree love fulfills the law. Therefore love does the law. It says nothing about us doing the law.

Making claims that one one is making is simply sad for you brother as it is not stating the truth. I have never made any of the claims you are making. How can LOVE as you claim be fulfilling of the law in ROMANS 13:8-10 not be DOING of the law when the GREEK word means to execute and carry out and PAUL says if you LOVE you will not break God's Commandments?

ROMANS 13:8-10
[8], Owe no man anything, but to LOVE ONE ANOTHER: for HE THAT LOVES ANOTHER HAS FULFILLED THE LAW.
[9], For this, THOU SHALT NOT COMMIT ADULTERY, THOU SHALT NOT KILL, THOU SHALT NOT STEAL, THOU SHALT NOT LIE, THOU SHALT NOT COVET; and IF THERE SHALL BE ANY OTHER COMMANDMENT, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, THOU SHALT LOVE THY NEIGHBOR AS THYSELF.
[10], Love works no ill to his neighbor: therefore LOVE IS THE FULFILLING OF THE LAW.

This has already been addressed with a lot of scripture showing that this is the NEW COVEANT promise written on the HEART but you choose to ignore God's WORD. I will leave this between you and God.

Sorry brother God's WORD disagrees with you.
 
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No where does any of your passages imply Israel springs (takes life) from Jesus, the Root.

Here you go...

ROMANS 11:16-20
[16], For if the first fruit be holy, the lump is also holy: and IF THE ROOT BE HOLY SO ARE THE BRANCHES
[17], And if SOME OF THE BRANCHES WERE BROKEN OFF, and YOU BEING A WILD OLIVE TREE WHERE GRAFTED IN AMONG THEM AND WITH THEM PARTAKE OF THE ROOT and fatness of the olive tree;
[18], Boast not against the branches. But if you boast, you bore not the root, BUT THE ROOT you.
[19], You will say then, THE BRANCHES WERE BROKEN OFF, THAT I MIGHT BE GRAFTED IN (UNBELIEVING ISRAEL - BRANCHES that were broken off so that the gentiles can be grafted in).
[20], Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and you stand by faith. Be not high minded, but fear

The BRANCHES represent God's ISRAEL who BELIEVE and FOLLOW God's WORD. This is represented by the wild OLIVE tree (GENTILES) being grafted in AMONG THEM (the BRANCHES of BELIEVING ISRAEL). SOME of the BRANCHES v17 were broken off because of UNBELIEF v20 (UNBELIEVING ISRAEL).

God's true ISRAEL in the NEW COVENANT are all those who BELIEVE and FOLLOW God's WORD. Gentiles are now grafted in *ROMANS 11:13-27

ROMANS 9:6-7 [6], Not as though the word of God has taken none effect. FOR THEY ARE NOT ALL ISRAEL WHICH ARE OF ISRAEL: [7], NEITHER BECAUSE THEY ARE OF THE SEED OF ABRAHAM, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall your seed be called.

ROMANS 2:28-29 [28], FOR HE IS NOT A JEW WHICH IS ONE OUTWARDLY; NEITHER IS THAT CIRCUMCISION, WHICH IS OUTWARDS IN THE FLESH: [29], BUT HE IS A JEW WHICH IS ONE INWARDLY; and CIRCUMCISION IS OF THE HEART, IN THE SPIRIT, AND NOT IN THE LETTER; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

GALATIANS 3:28-29 [28], THERE IS NEITHER JEW NOR GREEK, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: FOR YOU ALL ONE IN CHRIST JESUS AND IF YOU BE CHRISTS, THEN YOU ARE ABRAHAM'S SEED FOR YOU ARE ALL ONE IN CHRIST JESUS [29], and IF YOU BE CHRISTS, THEN ARE YOU ABRAHAM'S SEED, AND HEIRS ACCORDING TO THE PROMISE.

These scripture brother outline who God's true ISRAEL is in the NEW COVENANT. If you are not a part of God's ISRAEL then you have no part in the NEW COVENANT promise *HEBREWS 8:10-12. Need more scripture?

Sorry brother God's WORD disagrees with you and there is a lot of it.
 
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So why are you trying so hard to get us to follow you in your partial law keeping? The NT offers a much better deal. We have a better covenant based on promises, not law.

Your making things up no one is saying to you. This is sad for you. God's WORD says The light shines in darkness; but the darkness does not understand. In him was life; and the life was the light of men. Light is come into the world, but men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. Every one that does evil hates the light, neither comes to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved. What do you think these scriptures mean?
 
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Hello Brother ExTiff, welcome and nice to meet you here. Some comments below for your consideration.

Where in all of ROMANS 14 does it say that these scriptures are talking about God's 4th commandment? Are you reading into the scriptures something that they are not talking about? Romans 14 is talking about judging others in relation to eating and not eating connected to days that MEN ESTEEEM over other days. ROMANS 14 is not talking about days that God ESTEEMS and it is not talking about God's 4th Commandment Sabbath. God's WORD says that the things which are HIGHLY ESTEEMED AMONG MEN are an abomination in the sight of God *LUKE 16:15.

Since we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ, both Sabbath keepers, Lord's day Keepers, all days keepers and no days keepers, by what right do Seventh Day Adventists and other legalistic, wrath avoiding, fearful, faithless, fellow servants of the Lord, consider themselves less likely to fall under judgment than anyone else?

Only those who BELIEVE and FOLLOW God's WORD are his people. That means God's people are all those who BELIEVE and FOLLOW all the truth of his WORD that God has revlealed to them at any given point in time and that God's people are in EVERY CHURCH if they are BELIEVING and FOLLOWING God's WORD as God has revealed it to them.

God's WORD teaches that we are to CONTINUE in God's WORD in order to be God's disciples and we shall KNOW THE TRUTH of God's WORD and the truth shall make us free from SIN *JOHN 8:31-36. In times of IGNORANCE GOD does not holf us acccountable until we receive a KNOWLEDGE of God's truth as we continue in his WORD *ACTS 17:30-31; JOHN 12:47-48; JAMES 4:17. When God gives us a KNOWLEDGD of his truth then he expects is to BELIEVE and FOLLOW him as God's WORD is revealed to us *ACTS 17:30; ACTS 5:29.

If we REJECT God's WORD then we become UNBELIEVERS and will be judged by the very WORD of God that we reject *JOHN 12:47-48.

God's 4th Commandment is one of the 10 Commandments that give us the KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL; SIN and RIGHTEOUSNESS * ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4; PSALMS 119:172. GOD'S WORD says that if we KNOWINGLY break ANY ONE of God's 10 Commandments we stand guilty before God of sin *JAMES 2:10-11. All those who CONTINUE in KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN will not enter the KINGDOM of HEAVEN *HEBREWS 10:26-27 because they reject the gift of God's dear son *ROMANS 6:23.

GOD knows that many follow SUNDAY worship out of IGNORANCE and they do not KNOW any better. God is calling his people wherever they may be to come out from following the teachings and traditions of men to worship him in SPIRIT and in TRUTH according to his WORD *JOHN 4:23-24. JESUS says those who KNOWINGLY follow the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of GOD are not following God *MATTHEW 15:3-9.

There is not one scripture in all of God's WORD that says God's 4th Commandment has been ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to keep SUNDAY as a HOLY DAY. Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has lead many to break the commandments of God.

Who should we BELIEVE and FOLLOW the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God *ROMANS 3:4; ACTS 5:29? ONLY God's WORD is true and we should BELIEVE and FOLLOW it. Anything else will lead us away from GOD to UNBELIEF and away from God's KINGDOM.

Are they relying upon God's Grace or upon their absolute ability to 'keep the rules set in stone'?

EPHESIANS 2:8-9 [8], For by grace are you saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: [9], Not of works, lest any man should boast.

WHAT IS GRACE FOR?

ROMANS 1:5, By whom we have received GRACE and apostleship, FOR OBEDIENCE TO THE FAITH among all nations, for his name.

ROMANS 16:26 But now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, made known to all nations for the OBEDIENCE OF FAITH

DOES FAITH ABOLISH GOD'S LAW?

ROMANS 3:31 [31], Do we then ABOLISH THE LAW THROUGH FAITH? GOD FORBID: YES, WE ESTABLISH THE LAW.

That is why the Church assembled on Sunday, the first day of the week, The Lord's day, in which He rose again to life in confirmation of the fact that the sins of the world are no longer held against them.

God's people met EVERYDAY of the WEEK *ACTS 2:47-48. This does not make every day of the week a HOLY day or is it one of God's 10 commandments that give us the KNOWLEDGE of what sin is *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4; EXODUS 20:1-17.

God's WORD says that the LORD'S DAY is the SABBATH DAY not Sunday *MATTHEW 12:8. There is no scripture in God's WORD saying that the first day of the week is the LORD'S DAY. This is a teaching and traditions of men that some use outside of God's WORD to justify Sunday keeping because there is no scriptures that say God's 4th Commandments is abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day.

Nice to meet you.

God bless.
 
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"Bible details matter", of course, but how are you interpreting the matters concerning them?

Do the women in your church receive communion?

of course they do - what does that have to do with the Ten Commandments?
 
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One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind. He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it.

"One man observes one day above another while another man observes every day" in the Lev 23 list of Bible approved annual holy days. (No mention of the weekly Sabbath in Romans 14)

By contrast in Galatians 4 - Paul flat out condemns the observance of even one of the pagan holy days.


Since we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ, both Sabbath keepers, Lord's day Keepers, all days keepers and no days keepers, by what right do Seventh Day Adventists and other legalistic, wrath avoiding, fearful, faithless, fellow servants of the Lord, consider themselves less likely to fall under judgment than anyone else?

Is this the way you respond to anyone who says "it is till a sin to take God's name in vain"??

Is it a charge of "legalism" that you bring against them for daring to affirm God's Ten Commandments?

1 Cor 7:19 says "what matters is keeping the Commandments of God"
where the Commandments are those in which "the fifth commandment is the first commandment with a promise" Eph 6:2.

Thus it is "still a sin" to take God's name in vain -- even for Christians.


That is why the Church assembled on Sunday, the first day of the week, The Lord's day,

No NT writer calls week-day-1 "The Lord's Day"
No NT writer claims that the NT church met every week-day-1 for worship in memorial of Christ's resurrection.
No NT writer claims that the NT church met every week-day-1

But in Acts 18:4 "they met every Sabbath" in the Synagogues - both gentiles and Jews -- for Gospel preaching.

Bible details matter.


yes... way.

The whole book of Galatians is about the law. Paul isn't addressing pagans or their ways.

skimming the details?

The gentiles of Galatia were not "born Christians" rather they were pagans that had become Christian and in Gal 4 Paul warns them against returning once again to paganism.

Details matter.
 
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"One man observes one day above another while another man observes every day" in the Lev 23 list of Bible approved annual holy days. (No mention of the weekly Sabbath in Romans 14)
Do you esteem one day above another? Which one?
By contrast in Galatians 4 - Paul flat out condemns the observance of even one of the pagan holy days.
The central theme of Galatians is about the law. You seem to think Paul for no apparent reason out of the blue started talking about pagan issues. Get a grip on yourself.
 
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The "famous 10": God Himself wrote--and the only ones that were put in the Ark, and are the only ones in the heavenly Ark. That is not exactly hard to understand. Have no idea what you are talking about in saying I do not want you to be drinking from the water of life---I never said any such thing, nor do I know anything about the fountain of religion. The discussion at hand is about the "famous 10" and the priestly ordinances that you want to lump together which clearly God does not. You are free to lump anything together that you want. Glad to hear you are no longer thirsty---don 't recollect asking about your thirst, but thanks for sharing. Since you brought it up--I have to drink over 4 liters of water a day due to health issues and it is beastly hard to do. I am quite sick of water myself.
It's you, sweetheart the brought up the fountain by quoting from Revelation. I'm also not fearful.
 
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We are not told what JOSHAU wrote on stones except something that was written in the BOOK of MOSES. God's WORD does not say that JOSUA wrote the 10 commandments. God's WORD does not say that JOSHUA wrote all the BOOK of MOSES. The CONTEXT as shown earlier in JOSHUA 8:30-35 that you left out of v32 is in v30-31 which was the building of the ALTER for PEACE OFFERINGS, AS IT IS WRITTEN IN THE BOOK OF THE LAW OF MOSES v31. The copy of the LAW OF MOSES is in CONTEXT to the building of the ALTER, PEACE OFFERINGS AS IT IS WRITTEN IN THE BOOK OF THE LAW OF MOSES v31, so that which was being written on the stones was written from the BOOK OF THE LAW OF MOSES v31, v34 AFTERWARDS, that is AFTER BUILDING the ALTER and offering the PEACE OFFERINGS according to the BOOK OF THE LAW OF MOSES v31 and writing the writing on stone; HE READ ALL THE WORDS OF THE LAW, the BLESSINGS AND CURSINGS, according to all that is WRITTEN IN THE BOOK OF THE LAW. The scripture says THERE WAS NOT A WORD OF ALL THAT MOSES COMMANDED FROM the BOOK OF THE LAW OF MOSES v30-35.

It was GOD alone that spoke the 10 commandments not MOSES brother. The CONTEXT here is the BLESSINGS and the CURSINGS written in the BOOK of the LAW of MOSES not God's LAW written on the TABLES of Stone in the ARK of the COVENANT.

As shown above the SCRIPTURE CONTEXT is that JOSHUA wrote something on stone from the BOOK of the LAW of MOSES after WAR and after building an alter offering PEACE offerings. THE CONTEXT of the surrounding scriptures suggest that something from the BOOK of MOSES was written on stone. It does not say what was written on the stones of the Alter. If your claim is that it was God's 10 commandments when God's 10 commandments are not even mentioned and only the BOOK of the law od MOSES is the context. Then your simply have no proof that what was written was the 10 commandments now how you? Your the one making the claim brother it is up to you to prove your claims. All we are hearing from you is your own words over God's WORD. So your argument is with God not me.

Hope this helps.
The verse is clear to me. Why do you want to argue about the verse? The verse doesn't say Joshua quoted or wrote from the book. It says he copied it. In that it doesn't specify or limit it is the whole Book of the Law. Now verse 35 is really interesting - "There was not a word of all that Moses commanded, which Joshua read not before all the congregation of Israel" Now please jump all over me for not quoting the full verse. What I quoted won't change by the rest of the verse
 
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God's WORD does not say that all of the first five books of MOSES was written on stone now does it? It only says that the CONTEXT of v32 in v30-35 was the MOSIAC BOOK of the LAW and that something from there was written on stone in connection with the WAR, BLESSINGS AND CURSINGS from the MOSAIC BOOK of the law. There is no reference to God's 10 commandments and nothing is said about them.


Good point :oldthumbsup:. I agree that is what God's WORD teaches. Something that we can agree on.
No, There's no indication about a partial copy. You don't want to believe verse 32 is all.
 
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It is God Word not me that calls the MOSAIC BOOK of the COVNENANT *EXODUS 24:7 the BOOK of the law *DEUTERONOMY 31:24-26. God's LAW (10 Commandments) was spoken *EXODUS 20:1-17 and written by God alone on two tables of stone *EXODUS 32:16. God's 10 Commandments were the work of GOD alone *EXODUS 32:16 and God's WORD says whatever God does, it shall be for ever: nothing can be put to it, nor any thing taken from it *ECCLESIASTES 3:14
Here you invalidate Jer 31:31-33 and Hos 2:11 with your idea from Ecc 3:14.
 
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Nope you are confused. The SHADOW laws from the MOSAIC BOOK of the COVENANT *EXODUS 24:7, are not God's ETERNAL LAW (10 commandments) that give us the knowledge of what sin is. God's LAW (10 Commandments) give us the KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL; SIN AND RIGHTOEUSNESS *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4; PSALMS 119:172. The SHADOW laws from the MOSAIC BOOK of the law * DEUTERONOMY 31:24-26 point to JESUS and God's plan of salvation in the NEW COVENANT. If you do not know what the OLD COVENANT was how can you know what the NEW COVENANT is that the OLD COVENANT pointed to? The law of MOSES has not been done away it is being fulfilled in JESUS and God's plan of salvation in the NEW COVENANT.

Hope this helps
Why of course I'm confused because I believe Jer 31:31-33. You're not because you don't accept the middle verse.
 
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Good glad we can agree :oldthumbsup:. CONTEXT is important when reading God's WORD and the CONTEXT of JOSHUA 8:30-35 was the MOSIAC BOOK of the COVENANT not God's 10 commandments.
I understand why you refuse to use the words of the verse.
My proof is the context and scriptures provided from God's WORD alone. God's WORD does not say what was written on the stones by JOSHUA. The CONTEXT of the scriptures in JOSHUA 8:30-35 is that what was written on stones was something from the MOSAIC BOOK of the law to do with the CONTEXT of WAR and the BLESSINGS and the CURSINGS from the BOOK of the law of MOSES which were read out to the people afterwards. God's LAW (10 commandments) is not the law written and spoken by Moses written in a BOOK.

Hope this helps
What you have is a denial of Scripture.
 
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It's you, sweetheart the brought up the fountain by quoting from Revelation. I'm also not fearful.

Ah--yes--Rev 21:5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.
Rev 21:6 And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely.

I was referring to when Jesus says it is done--just before He makes the earth new again. Didn't want to leave out a part of the verse--might be accused of hiding it!
 
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You are confused. Why would you think that MOSES did not command OBEDIENCE to God's LAW (10 commandments) when the wages of sin is death in the OLD COVENANT as well as the NEW for all those who CONTINUE to live a life of KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN *ROMANS 6:23 which is breaking any one of God's 10 commandments *JAMES 2:10-11?
Forgive me. I forgot you don't understand tongue-in-cheek expressions. Sure Moses required keeping the famous 10. They're also called the Law of Moses also in 1 Kings, Daniel, Malachi and John all refer to the famous 10 as the Law of Moses.
The CONTEXT of JOSHUA 8:30-35 is the BLESSINGS and CURSINGS from the BOOK of the LAW v34 , And afterward he read all the words of the law, the BLESSINGS AND CURSINGS, according to ALL THAT IS WRITTEN IN THE BOOK OF THE LAW. You can read there for yourself here in *DEUTERONOMY 27 and DEUTERONOMY 28.
What I understand you to say here is Joshua didn't read the whole Book of the Law of Moses. That can't be supported by the text. Here again is part of verse 35 - "There was not a word of all that Moses commanded, which Joshua read not before all the congregation of Israel..."

I didn't include the rest of your meaningless babble. Yes I read it.
 
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Ah--yes--Rev 21:5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.
Rev 21:6 And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely.

I was referring to when Jesus says it is done--just before He makes the earth new again. Didn't want to leave out a part of the verse--might be accused of hiding it!
I'm not like your buddies. I won't jump on you for only including pertinent parts of a verse unless it changes the meaning like your buddies do with 1 Jn 3:4 for example.
 
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I understand why you refuse to use the words of the verse.What you have is a denial of Scripture.


May I ask what is so important about what Joshua wrote on the altar he built? The words were not his --it say he copied the words of Moses. Doesn't say a thing about copying what God wrote. Then it says he read everything that Moses had commanded.
Jos 8:35 There was not a word of all that Moses commanded, which Joshua read not before all the congregation of Israel, with the women, and the little ones, and the strangers that were conversant among them.

He was carrying the Ark with them---the Ark contained the tables of stone that God wrote. I'm sorry,
I guess I must have lost track of the importance of what Joshua wrote.
 
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Here you invalidate Jer 31:31-33 and Hos 2:11 with your idea from Ecc 3:14.

Not at all. It is only confusing to you because you are confused in your understanding on God's ETERNAL law (10 commandments) and the SHADOW laws of the MOSIAC BOOK of the COVENANT *EXODUS 24:7. The scripture proves your interpretation of God's ETERNAL law is false and forever and gives us the KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL; SIN and RIGHTOUESNESS *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4; PSALMS 119:172.
 
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