Why is the day of worship controversial?

[BobRyan]

Since you demand I include v 34, I want to ask why then did Jesus teach anything? Jesus did say this new covenant is active.

Heb 8 says the same thing as Jer 31:31-33 if one is to construe Jer 31 to mean "not active" then the Hebrews 8 quote just "deactivated" it again. Which of course is not the case. The language of Jeremiah 31 does not mean "not active" and even Moses writes that the LAW of God written on the heart is the reality of HIS day.

No wonder both Moses and Elijah stand "with Christ" on glory in Matthew 17 - before the cross.

 

[ace of hearts]

God says it is the Ten Commandment on stone.
Joshua does not say he wrote the ten commandments on stone.



Clearly you don't know if Joshua wrote anything at all on stones - and if he did what it was.

Sorry but I chose to believe what Joshua wrote.

So sticking with what we do know - the Bible says the TEN were written by God Himself on stone... and spoken by God Himself to Israel.

How do you know this?

The is the easy part.

As we all know.

What does Jos 8:32 And he wrote there upon the stones a copy of the law of Moses, which he wrote in the presence of the children of Israel.

say? How does this exclude anything found in the the Mosaic Book of the Law?

 

[ace of hearts]

Jer 31:31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
Jer 31:32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:
Jer 31:33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
Jer 31:34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.
Jer 31:35 Thus saith the LORD, which giveth the sun for a light by day, and the ordinances of the moon and of the stars for a light by night, which divideth the sea when the waves thereof roar; The LORD of hosts is his name:
Jer 31:36 If those ordinances depart from before me, saith the LORD, then the seed of Israel also shall cease from being a nation before me for ever.

Heb 7:12 For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.
The 10 have nothing to do with the priesthood--only the sacrifices required a priest and Jesus is now our priest and the Law of Moses dealing with the priesthood is no longer needed


The law is written in the heart now---it is still the law! He puts it not on tables of stone, but in the heart---doesn't say anything vaguely suggesting that there will be no law---only addresses the place it is written. The old covenant was to do the sacrifices for forgiveness--the new one is through the blood of Jesus. The new covenant is Jesus has done way with the sacrifices---His blood is the forgiveness now. God's word is true and what He told Moses was to be kept--and as He said--it is now the new covenant.
What God says is--and no man can undo it. The "famous 10" are still under His throne in the heavenly sanctuary. Or do you not believe all scripture?
Rev 11:19 And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail.

Jesus part was done at the cross ad resurrection for salvation--all has not quite been fulfilled. Jesus has one more final step to do -- He will comer back and He will make all things new then He will say it is done

Rev 21:5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.
Rev 21:6 And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely.
Rev 21:7 He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son.
Rev 21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

The famous 10 are part of the Law of Moses.
I'm not part of the fearful. I've perfect peace with Jesus and rest for my soul. Mat 11:28-30. As badly as you want to establish I don't drink from the fountain of the water of life freely, I do. I no longer am thirsty. I no longer drink from the fountain of religion.

 

[ace of hearts]

Heb 8 says the same thing as Jer 31:31-33 if one is to construe Jer 31 to mean "not active" then the Hebrews 8 quote just "deactivated" it again. Which of course is not the case. The language of Jeremiah 31 does not mean "not active" and even Moses writes that the LAW of God written on the heart is the reality of HIS day.

No wonder both Moses and Elijah stand "with Christ" on glory in Matthew 17 - before the cross.

This "not active" stuff you talk about isn't from me.

 

[ace of hearts]

This is simply sad for you brother. Not only will you not acknowledge that what you posted earlier is something I have never said after you were corrected your continuing to repeat it things I have never said. My post was in response to what you wrote here.



To this post of yours above I responded with.

"Well that simply has no truth in it whatsoever. Where does it say in the post you are quoting from that we have to fulfill God's LAW ourselves by doing God's LAW? If I have never said such things why are you making claims here that I have never made? If I have never made these claims why pretend that I have? This is simply sad for you brother if you feel the need to make claims that I have never said here or anywhere else on CF."

Now where does it say in what you are quoting from that I am telling others as you say in your words that I am claiming that we have to fulfill the law ourselves by doing the law? Your posting and making claims that I have never said this is sad for you. I will leave that between you and God. Claiming that people are saying things that they are not is simply being dishonest especially after you have been corrected more than once.

Here, let me re-post the post and let others make up their mind.

The post and the scriptures show that OBEDIENCE to God's LAW is fulfilled by faith that works by LOVE. Those who continue in SIN do not LOVE and need to be Born again to LOVE. This is the NEW COVENANT promise *HEBREWS 8:10-12; JOHN 3:3-7; 1 JOHN 3:3-9; 1 JOHN 2:3-4' ROMANS 3:31.

ROMANS 13:8-10 [8], Owe no man anything, but to love one another: for he that loves another has fulfilled the law. [9], For this, You shall not commit adultery, You shall not kill, You shall not steal, You shall not bear false witness, You shall not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is summed up in this saying, namely, You shall love your neighbor as yourself. [10], Love works no ill to his neighbor: therefore, love is the fulfilling [DOING] of the law.

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The GREEK Word for FULFILLING [πλήρωμα; plērōm is COMPLETING v10] or EXECUTE, ACCOMPLISH or CARRY OUT; DOING in v8 [πληρόω; plēroō]

It is not saying we are doing the LAW by ourselves. The scriptures are saying what was written in the beginning of that post that it is FAITH in God's WORD that works by LOVE that etablishes God's LAW in the HEART of the BELIEVER (RIGHTOEUSNESS is by FAITH in God's WORD).

This is the NEW COVENANT promise to all those who BELIEVE and FOLLOW God's WORD *HEBREWS 8:10-12. This is God's WORK in those who BELIEVE and FOLLOW God's WORD *PHILIPPIANS 2:13; 2 PETER 1:4; JOHN 8:31-36; HEBREWS 8:10; JOHN 3:3-7; 1 JOHN 3:3-10 to all those who BELIEVE and FOLLOW God and walk in his SPIRIT *GALATIANS 5:16.

We are saved by GRACE through faith and not of ourselves is it a gift of God and not of WORKS lest any man should boast *EPHESIANS 2:8. If our FAITH does not have the FRUIT of OBEDIENCE to God's WORD then our faith is DEAD because we are still in our sins *JAMES 2:18-20; 26. God's WORD says that all those who CONTINUE in KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN will not enter the KINGDOM of HEAVEN *HEBRREWS 10:26-27 because they reject the gift of God's dear son *ROMANS 6:23.

Now I will repeat the post that was asked of you earlier. "Where does it say in the post you are quoting from that we have to fulfill God's LAW ourselves by doing God's LAW? If I have never said such things why are you making claims here that I have never made? If I have never made these claims why pretend that I have? This is simply sad for you brother if you feel the need to make claims that I have never said here or anywhere else on CF."

Hope this helps.

The volume of your posts require Christians to do (keep/observe) the law.

It's true Romans says -
Love works no ill to his neighbor: therefore, love is the fulfilling of the law.

Yes I agree love fulfills the law. Therefore love does the law. It says nothing about us doing the law.

 

[ace of hearts]

JESUS is the ROOT. Gentiles are grafted in among God's ISRAEL *ROMANS 11:13-27. If you are not a part of God's ISRAEL you have no part in the NEW COVENANT *HEBREWS 8:10.

No where does any of your passages imply Israel springs (takes life) from Jesus, the Root.

 

[ace of hearts]

No those passages are aimed at everyone who BELIEVE and FOLLOW God's WORD - the Church. If we feel convicted by scripture however God's Spirit is calling us *JOHN 16:8.

Yes and you're not God's Spirit.

 

[ExTiff]

One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind. He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks. For none of us liveth to himself, and no man dieth to himself. For whether we live, we live unto the Lord; and whether we die, we die unto the Lord: whether we live therefore, or die, we are the Lord's. For to this end Christ both died, and rose, and revived, that he might be Lord both of the dead and living. But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ. For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God.
So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God. Let us not therefore judge one another any more: but judge this rather, that no man put a stumblingblock or an occasion to fall in his brother's way.

Since we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ, both Sabbath keepers, Lord's day Keepers, all days keepers and no days keepers, by what right do Seventh Day Adventists and other legalistic, wrath avoiding, fearful, faithless, fellow servants of the Lord, consider themselves less likely to fall under judgment than anyone else?

Are they relying upon God's Grace or upon their absolute ability to 'keep the rules set in stone'?

Perfect love casts out fear, but persnickety scruple keeping is a foolproof indication of fearfulness and lack of faith.

That is why the Church assembled on Sunday, the first day of the week, The Lord's day, in which He rose again to life in confirmation of the fact that the sins of the world are no longer held against them.

 

[ace of hearts]

Indeed. That is why we should BELIEVE and FOLLOW God's WORD.

So why are you trying so hard to get us to follow you in your partial law keeping? The NT offers a much better deal. We have a better covenant based on promises, not law.

 

[ace of hearts]

One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind. He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks. For none of us liveth to himself, and no man dieth to himself. For whether we live, we live unto the Lord; and whether we die, we die unto the Lord: whether we live therefore, or die, we are the Lord's. For to this end Christ both died, and rose, and revived, that he might be Lord both of the dead and living. But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ. For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God.
So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God. Let us not therefore judge one another any more: but judge this rather, that no man put a stumblingblock or an occasion to fall in his brother's way.

Since we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ, both Sabbath keepers, Lord's day Keepers, all days keepers and no days keepers, by what right do Seventh Day Adventists and other legalistic, wrath avoiding, fearful, faithless, fellow servants of the Lord, consider themselves less likely to fall under judgment than anyone else?

Are they relying upon God's Grace or upon their absolute ability to 'keep the rules set in stone'?

Perfect love casts out fear, but persnickety scruple keeping is a foolproof indication of fearfulness and lack of faith.

That is why the Church assembled on Sunday, the first day of the week, The Lord's day, in which He rose again to life in confirmation of the fact that the sins of the world are no longer held against them.

Excellent post. And welcome to this section of the forum.

 

[BobRyan]

One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind. He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it.

"One man observes one day above another while another man observes every day" in the Lev 23 list of Bible approved annual holy days. (No mention of the weekly Sabbath in Romans 14)

By contrast in Galatians 4 - Paul flat out condemns the observance of even one of the pagan holy days.

Since we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ, both Sabbath keepers, Lord's day Keepers, all days keepers and no days keepers, by what right do Seventh Day Adventists and other legalistic, wrath avoiding, fearful, faithless, fellow servants of the Lord, consider themselves less likely to fall under judgment than anyone else?

Is this the way you respond to anyone who says "it is till a sin to take God's name in vain"??

Is it a charge of "legalism" that you bring against them for daring to affirm God's Ten Commandments?

1 Cor 7:19 says "what matters is keeping the Commandments of God"
where the Commandments are those in which "the fifth commandment is the first commandment with a promise" Eph 6:2.

Thus it is "still a sin" to take God's name in vain -- even for Christians.

That is why the Church assembled on Sunday, the first day of the week, The Lord's day,

No NT writer calls week-day-1 "The Lord's Day"
No NT writer claims that the NT church met every week-day-1 for worship in memorial of Christ's resurrection.
No NT writer claims that the NT church met every week-day-1

But in Acts 18:4 "they met every Sabbath" in the Synagogues - both gentiles and Jews -- for Gospel preaching.

Bible details matter.

 

[ace of hearts]

"One man observes one day above another while another man observes every day" in the Lev 23 list of Bible approved annual holy days. (No mention of the weekly Sabbath in Romans 14)

By contrast in Galatians 4 - Paul flat out condemns the observance of even one of the pagan holy days.

No way. The whole book of Galatians is about the law. Paul isn't addressing pagans or their ways.

 

[mmksparbud]

The famous 10 are part of the Law of Moses.
I'm not part of the fearful. I've perfect peace with Jesus and rest for my soul. Mat 11:28-30. As badly as you want to establish I don't drink from the fountain of the water of life freely, I do. I no longer am thirsty. I no longer drink from the fountain of religion.

The "famous 10": God Himself wrote--and the only ones that were put in the Ark, and are the only ones in the heavenly Ark. That is not exactly hard to understand. Have no idea what you are talking about in saying I do not want you to be drinking from the water of life---I never said any such thing, nor do I know anything about the fountain of religion. The discussion at hand is about the "famous 10" and the priestly ordinances that you want to lump together which clearly God does not. You are free to lump anything together that you want. Glad to hear you are no longer thirsty---don 't recollect asking about your thirst, but thanks for sharing. Since you brought it up--I have to drink over 4 liters of water a day due to health issues and it is beastly hard to do. I am quite sick of water myself.

 

[ExTiff]

"One man observes one day above another while another man observes every day" in the Lev 23 list of Bible approved annual holy days. (No mention of the weekly Sabbath in Romans 14)

By contrast in Galatians 4 - Paul flat out condemns the observance of even one of the pagan holy days.




Is this the way you respond to anyone who says "it is till a sin to take God's name in vain"??

Is it a charge of "legalism" that you bring against them for daring to affirm God's Ten Commandments?

1 Cor 7:19 says "what matters is keeping the Commandments of God"
where the Commandments are those in which "the fifth commandment is the first commandment with a promise" Eph 6:2.

Thus it is "still a sin" to take God's name in vain -- even for Christians.




No NT writer calls week-day-1 "The Lord's Day"
No NT writer claims that the NT church met every week-day-1 for worship in memorial of Christ's resurrection.
No NT writer claims that the NT church met every week-day-1

But in Acts 18:4 "they met every Sabbath" in the Synagogues - both gentiles and Jews -- for Gospel preaching.

Bible details matter.

"Bible details matter", of course, but how are you interpreting the matters concerning them?

Do the women in your church receive communion?

 

[LoveGodsWord]

What is in question here? Did Joshua write on stones, or was it God's famous 10 written written on stone. Then the question is what was written on those stones?

We are not told what JOSHAU wrote on stones except something that was written in the BOOK of MOSES. God's WORD does not say that JOSUA wrote the 10 commandments. God's WORD does not say that JOSHUA wrote all the BOOK of MOSES. The CONTEXT as shown earlier in JOSHUA 8:30-35 that you left out of v32 is in v30-31 which was the building of the ALTER for PEACE OFFERINGS, AS IT IS WRITTEN IN THE BOOK OF THE LAW OF MOSES v31. The copy of the LAW OF MOSES is in CONTEXT to the building of the ALTER, PEACE OFFERINGS AS IT IS WRITTEN IN THE BOOK OF THE LAW OF MOSES v31, so that which was being written on the stones was written from the BOOK OF THE LAW OF MOSES v31, v34 AFTERWARDS, that is AFTER BUILDING the ALTER and offering the PEACE OFFERINGS according to the BOOK OF THE LAW OF MOSES v31 and writing the writing on stone; HE READ ALL THE WORDS OF THE LAW, the BLESSINGS AND CURSINGS, according to all that is WRITTEN IN THE BOOK OF THE LAW. The scripture says THERE WAS NOT A WORD OF ALL THAT MOSES COMMANDED FROM the BOOK OF THE LAW OF MOSES v30-35.

It was GOD alone that spoke the 10 commandments not MOSES brother. The CONTEXT here is the BLESSINGS and the CURSINGS written in the BOOK of the LAW of MOSES not God's LAW written on the TABLES of Stone in the ARK of the COVENANT.

As shown above the SCRIPTURE CONTEXT is that JOSHUA wrote something on stone from the BOOK of the LAW of MOSES after WAR and after building an alter offering PEACE offerings. THE CONTEXT of the surrounding scriptures suggest that something from the BOOK of MOSES was written on stone. It does not say what was written on the stones of the Alter. If your claim is that it was God's 10 commandments when God's 10 commandments are not even mentioned and only the BOOK of the law od MOSES is the context. Then your simply have no proof that what was written was the 10 commandments now how you? Your the one making the claim brother it is up to you to prove your claims. All we are hearing from you is your own words over God's WORD. So your argument is with God not me.

Hope this helps.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

The law of Moses is the first 5 books of the OT. Is that what was written on stones?

God's WORD does not say that all of the first five books of MOSES was written on stone now does it? It only says that the CONTEXT of v32 in v30-35 was the MOSIAC BOOK of the LAW and that something from there was written on stone in connection with the WAR, BLESSINGS AND CURSINGS from the MOSAIC BOOK of the law. There is no reference to God's 10 commandments and nothing is said about them.

It's argued the famous 10 are eternal because they were written in stone.

Good point . I agree that is what God's WORD teaches. Something that we can agree on.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Why doesn't the same apply to the rest of the law you call the law of Moses? Are what you call the law of Moses the inventions of Moses or did it really come from God?

It is God Word not me that calls the MOSAIC BOOK of the COVNENANT *EXODUS 24:7 the BOOK of the law *DEUTERONOMY 31:24-26. God's LAW (10 Commandments) was spoken *EXODUS 20:1-17 and written by God alone on two tables of stone *EXODUS 32:16. God's 10 Commandments were the work of GOD alone *EXODUS 32:16 and God's WORD says whatever God does, it shall be for ever: nothing can be put to it, nor any thing taken from it *ECCLESIASTES 3:14

GOD's LAW (10 commandments) were written by God because God is ETERNAL. The BOOK of the LAW was written by MOSES (man directed by God) because the BOOK and the SHADOW laws that point to JESUS and God's plan of salvation are fulfilled in JESUS and God's plan of salvaiton in the NEW COVENANT. These laws are fulfilled in Christ and God's plan of salvation in the NEW COVENANT because that is what they pointed to.

Hope this helps

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Then the famous 10 are found in what you call the law of Moses and the only reason you know about them. Remember the law of Moses has been done away with according to you.

Nope you are confused. The SHADOW laws from the MOSAIC BOOK of the COVENANT *EXODUS 24:7, are not God's ETERNAL LAW (10 commandments) that give us the knowledge of what sin is. God's LAW (10 Commandments) give us the KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL; SIN AND RIGHTOEUSNESS *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; 1 JOHN 3:4; PSALMS 119:172. The SHADOW laws from the MOSAIC BOOK of the law * DEUTERONOMY 31:24-26 point to JESUS and God's plan of salvation in the NEW COVENANT. If you do not know what the OLD COVENANT was how can you know what the NEW COVENANT is that the OLD COVENANT pointed to? The law of MOSES has not been done away it is being fulfilled in JESUS and God's plan of salvation in the NEW COVENANT.

Hope this helps

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Granted what was written on those stones came from the Book of the Law of Moses. The passage (including all you quoted and referenced doesn't indicate part of it.

Good glad we can agree . CONTEXT is important when reading God's WORD and the CONTEXT of JOSHUA 8:30-35 was the MOSIAC BOOK of the COVENANT not God's 10 commandments.

It seems to me that you imply the famous 10 weren't written on those stones because you claim they're not part of the law of Moses. IOW you separate them out. Are you going to be consistent here? What is your proof?

My proof is the context and scriptures provided from God's WORD alone. God's WORD does not say what was written on the stones by JOSHUA. The CONTEXT of the scriptures in JOSHUA 8:30-35 is that what was written on stones was something from the MOSAIC BOOK of the law to do with the CONTEXT of WAR and the BLESSINGS and the CURSINGS from the BOOK of the law of MOSES which were read out to the people afterwards. God's LAW (10 commandments) is not the law written and spoken by Moses written in a BOOK.

Hope this helps

 

[LoveGodsWord]

I see, Moses didn't command the observance of the famous 10. Remember they're separate from the Law (commands/requirements) of Moses.

You are confused. Why would you think that MOSES did not command OBEDIENCE to God's LAW (10 commandments) when the wages of sin is death in the OLD COVENANT as well as the NEW for all those who CONTINUE to live a life of KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN *ROMANS 6:23 which is breaking any one of God's 10 commandments *JAMES 2:10-11?

Yes that is the testimony of Moses. Did Moses command or not command the keeping of the famous 10?

The CONTEXT of JOSHUA 8:30-35 is the BLESSINGS and CURSINGS from the BOOK of the LAW v34 , And afterward he read all the words of the law, the BLESSINGS AND CURSINGS, according to ALL THAT IS WRITTEN IN THE BOOK OF THE LAW. You can read there for yourself here in *DEUTERONOMY 27 and DEUTERONOMY 28.

That's interesting. Do you quote or read Exodus 20:8-11 from the stone tables or the Book of the Law of Moses?

Everything from the BOOK of MOSES revolves around SIN and God's plan of salvation for mankind. None of the MOSAIC SHADOW laws could be given without God's eternal LAW (10 Commandments) which give us the KNOWLEDGE of what sin is if broken *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7. The MOSIAC SHADOW laws were given to God's people so that if they committed SIN (breaking any one of God's LAW) they could have forgiveness for their sins (sin offerings that pointed to JESUS)

MOSES recorded God's giving and making of his LAW in EXODUS 20:1-17; EXODUS 32:16. Which was the reason the MOSAIN BOOK of the law was written. Together it was both God's ETERNAL LAW (10 Commandments) written on the two tables of stone and the MOSAIC BOOK of the law that made up the OLD COVENANT * EXODUS 34:28; EXODUS 24:7. God commanded both God's eternal LAW (10 Commandments) and the MOSIAC BOOK of the law to be separated put in the ARK of the COVENANT. God's 10 Commandments being put inside the ARK *EXODUS 40:20; DEUTERONOMY 10:5 and the MOSIAC BOOK of the COVENANT was placed in the SIDE of the ARK of the COVENANT *DEUTERONOMY 31:26.

God's WORD tells us that SIN is the breaking of ANYONE of God's 10 Commandments *JAMES 2:10-12; 1 JOHN 3:4. All those who CONTINUE in KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN do not enter the KINGDOM of HEAVEN *HEBREWS 10:26-27 because they reject the gift of God's dear son *ROMANS 6:23. God's 4th Commandment is one of the 10 Commandments that give us the KNOWLEDGE of what sin is *ROMANS 3:20; ROMANS 7:7; EXODUS 20:8-11.

You keep saying this with no proof. What is true is that I don't agree with you. Fortunately you're not God's Word.

No brother. My proof is the God's WORD and the scriptures provided that shows the CONTEXT you have left out of your reading of the scriptures. It is you that have no proof for any of the claims you are making. Using your own words over God's WORD does not make the scriptures that disagree with you disappear. These are God's WORD not mine only sent as to you in love as a help. Your argument is with God not me.

Hope this helps.