Why Jews were made, not Born

Dave L · Sep 12, 2018

Dave-W said:
Since you are saying no Jew or Greek, and in the same sentence it says no male or female; are you saying that same sex marriage is ok? If you get rid of the one distinction you have to get rid of the others to the same degree as well.

It is just we are all one in Christ's body.

Dave L · Sep 12, 2018

Dave-W said:
How is that NOT replacement theology?

Because Israel remains under the New Covenant, the Old Abolished. And believers in Christ are biblical Israel.

Yeshua HaDerekh · Sep 12, 2018

Dave L said:
The New Covenant replaced Judaism. To embrace it is to reject Christ.

No, it did not replace anything, it is the CONTINUATION of true Judaism. I think you think Yeshua was a goy!

Dave-W · Sep 12, 2018

You are backtracking here.

So you are agreeing that men and women have different roles and functions in the New Covenant body? As do Jews and Gentiles?

Dave L · Sep 12, 2018

Yeshua HaDerekh said:
No, it did not replace anything, it is the CONTINUATION of true Judaism. I think you think Yeshua was a goy!

No, the New Covenant replaced the old. You are sinning to place yourself back under the old.

Dave L · Sep 12, 2018

Dave-W said:
You are backtracking here.

So you are agreeing that men and women have different roles and functions in the New Covenant body? As do Jews and Gentiles?

The only biblical Jews today are believers in Christ. God removed the unbelievers.
“For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh: But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.” (Romans 2:28–29)

Yeshua HaDerekh · Sep 12, 2018

Dave L said:
No, the New Covenant replaced the old. You are sinning to place yourself back under the old.

You say that because you drank the cool-aid. I AM under the new Covenant!

Dave L · Sep 12, 2018

Yeshua HaDerekh said:
You say that because you drank the cool-aid. I AM under the new Covenant!

All believers in Christ are under the New Covenant. It is sin to return to the Old Covenant.

LittleLambofJesus · Sep 12, 2018

Dave L said:
Jews = religion. They became Christians.

I wonder how well off Paul was in Judaism before Christ humbled him on the way to Damascus.

From this:

Galatians 1:
13 for ye did hear of my behaviour once in Judaism, that exceedingly I was persecuting the assembly of God, and wasting it,
14 and I was advancing in Judaism above many equals in age in mine own race,
being more abundantly zealous of my fathers' deliverances,

To this:

Philippians 3:2
Beware of-the dogs, beware of-the evil workers, beware of-the circumcision!
3 For we-are the circumcision, ones to Spirit of God worship boasting in Christ Jesus, and not in flesh having confidence.

2 Corinthians 6:17
wherefore come-forth out of midst of them! and be being separated! is saying Lord
and an unclean-thing no ye be touching! and I shall be accepting ye

Matthew 24:16
then those in Judea -- let them flee to the mounts;
Mark 13:14
then those in Judea, let them flee to the mountains;
Luke 21:21
then those in Judea, let them flee to the mountains; and those in her midst, let them depart out;
and those in the countries, let them not come in to her;

Revelation 18:4
And I hear another voice out of the heaven saying "come forth! out of Her! My people......................

Yeshua HaDerekh · Sep 12, 2018

Dave L said:
All believers in Christ are under the New Covenant. It is sin to return to the Old Covenant.

I agree that all believers in Yeshua are under the New Covenant. You say it is a sin to try and keep the commandments because you do not understand the covenants as I have asked you previously and you could not answer.

Dave L · Sep 12, 2018

Yeshua HaDerekh said:
I agree that all believers in Yeshua are under the New Covenant. You say it is a sin to try and keep the commandments because you do not understand the covenants as I have asked you previously and you could not answer.

We use the commandments for instruction and commentary. But the NT version far outweighs the primitive version. Instead of not stealing we give. Instead of not murdering we love our enemies. Instead of not bearing false witness, we look for the good in people and speak of that etc.

Yeshua HaDerekh · Sep 12, 2018

Dave L said:
We use the commandments for instruction and commentary. But the NT version far outweighs the primitive version. Instead of not stealing we give. Instead of not murdering we love our enemies. Instead of not bearing false witness, we look for the good in people and speak of that etc.

The commandments are even more strict!

Dave L · Sep 12, 2018

Yeshua HaDerekh said:
The commandments are even more strict!

How so?
“Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers, For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;” (1 Timothy 1:9–10)

LoveGodsWord · Sep 12, 2018

Yeshua HaDerekh said:
The commandments are even more strict!

Indeed, your referring to MATTHEW 5:17-27

After stating that none of God's LAW (10 Commandments) have been abolished v17-19, Jesus then goes on to say; v20 For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, you shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.

Jesus then goes on and amplifies the application of God's LAW to the heart (thoughts and feelings) which is the very root of sin saying that if we lust after women we are committing Adultery and being angry with your brother as murder from the 10 commandments as examples in v17-27.

Jesus finishes by saying in v48 Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect. Looks like we have a broken heart.

Yep looks like we need a fixing.

LittleLambofJesus · Sep 12, 2018

Dave L said:
How so?
“Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers, For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;” (1 Timothy 1:9–10)

Tis a lot........

Luke 18:20
The commandments thou have known, no thou should be committing adultery, no thou should be murdering/foneushV <5407> (5661), no thou should be stealing, no thou should be bearing false witness. Be honouring thy father and thy mother.

Matthew 23:35
That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye murder/efoneusate <5407> (5656) between the Sanctuary and the Altar.

James 5:6
Ye condemn, ye murder/efoneusate <5407> (5656) the Righteous-One,
not He is resisting to Ye.

Revelation 9:21
And not they repent/reform out of their murders/fonwn <5408>, nor out from their sorceries,...........

What are "dogs" symbolizing characteristically wise?

Psalms 22:16
For dogs have surrounded me, assembly of ones doing evil have encompass me as a lion, hands of me and feet of me.

Luke 16:21
and yearning to be satisfied from the crumbs the-ones falling from the table of the rich-one,
but also the dogs/kuneV <2965> coming licked upon his sores.

Philippians 3:2
Beware of the dogs!/kunaV <2965> beware of-the evil workers! beware of-the circumcision! [Psalm 22:16/Isaiah 56:11/Revelation 22:15]

Revelation 22:15
Outside the dogs/kuneV <2965> and the sorcerers and the prostituters and the muderers and the idolaters and every one being fond of and doing falseness.

Yeshua HaDerekh · Sep 12, 2018

Dave L said:
How so?
“Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers, For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;” (1 Timothy 1:9–10)

The Law is now not just physical it is spiritual as well! Adultery is not only the physical act, if you even think about it, you have sinned now as if you already committed the physical act!

Yeshua HaDerekh · Sep 12, 2018

LoveGodsWord said:
Indeed, your referring to MATTHEW 5:17-27

After stating that none of God's LAW (10 Commandments) have been abolished v17-19, Jesus then goes on to say; v20 For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, you shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.

Jesus then goes on and amplifies the application of God's LAW to the heart (thoughts and feelings) which is the very root of sin saying that if we lust after women we are committing Adultery and being angry with your brother as murder from the 10 commandments as examples in v17-27.Jesus starts out by saying;

Jesus finishes by saying in v48 Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

Looks like we have a broken heart. Yep looks like we need a fixing.

Yes! Not only written on stone, now written on our hearts!

Not David · Sep 12, 2018

Hazelelponi said:
If you just want people to pick apart what your saying then I posit you have made an error when you said the above.

I don't believe Jews today "hate Jesus". Likely not even the majority of those who rejected salvation in HIS day.

People see Biblical prophecy, even today, and have this idea of what it's going to look like fulfilled in RL, even when they themselves are neither prophets nor interpreters of prophetic visions.

So they build up this entire fulfilled prophecy will look like x scenario and end up rejecting anything that is not their preferred scenario. This scenario usually comes from our own desires, case in point is the earthly kingdom the Jews in Jesus's day were so certain their Messiah was supposed to bring. So when He said "My Kingdom is not of this world" among other things they decided HE wasn't the Messiah and nothing He said after that mattered.

It's why they chose Barabbas over Jesus - he was fighting the Roman empire..

So, while the Jews were wrong in their assumptions, and while their hearts were hardened to the truth, I would never go so far as to call it a conscious hatred of their Saviour.

I would say they didn't understand Jesus.. not hate.

I felt no hate toward Jesus before I was saved, I just didn't understand Him and I was Muslim. I don't think you can accuse anyone of flat out hatred. It's a very strong word when most are just clueless.

Its why Jesus said "Father forgive them for they know not what they do"

HE knew their hearts.. and didn't accuse them of anything but ignorance.

Muslims at least consider Jesus as a prophet and Messiah.

LittleLambofJesus · Sep 12, 2018

David Cabrera said:
Muslims at least consider Jesus as a prophet and Messiah.

Muslims als revere Mary and believe in the virgin birth, tho their version of His birth differs just a tad than the biblical one.......
It is more aligned with the birth of Ishmael in the wilderness thru Hagar and Abraham, whom they also revere......

THE QUR’ANIC ACCOUNT

She said, ‘My Lord, how can I have a son when no man has touched me?’ [The angel] said, ‘This is how God creates what He will: when He has ordained something, He only says, “Be”, and it is.’ [3:47]
And so it was ordained: she conceived him. She withdrew to a distant place.” [19:22]
And, when the pains of childbirth drove her to [cling to] the trunk of a palm tree, she exclaimed, ‘I wish I had been dead and forgotten long before all this!’ but a voice cried to her from below, ‘Do not worry: your Lord has provided a stream at your feet and, if you shake the trunk of the palm tree towards you, it will deliver fresh ripe dates for you.’ [19:23-25]

Genesus 16:7
Now the Angel of the LORD found her by a spring of water in the wilderness, by the spring on the way to Shur.
And He said, “Hagar, Sarai’s maid, where have you come from, and where are you going?” She said, “I am fleeing from the presence of my mistress Sarai.”

Dave-W · Sep 12, 2018

Dave L said:
The only biblical Jews today are believers in Christ.

You still have not yet answered my question to you on how if this true, why in Rom 11 did Paul call them Jews/Israel who were “enemies of the Gospel?”

If they are enemies they certainly are NOT believers in Christ. And yet he calls them Israel.

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