Truth or Not ?

JESUSKiDtommy said:

Can man understand the BIBLE using his intellect alone, or do we have to have GOD'S HOLY LOVE FOR PEOPLE living inside us to reveal understanding to us?

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Without watching the video, I believe you must have the Spirit, for He is the Spirit of Truth. He also plants the seed of love and the rest of the fruit of the Spirit which needs time to grow, but first you must have Truth.

1 Corinthians 2:13-16
These things we also speak, not in words which man’s wisdom teaches but which the Holy Spirit teaches, comparing spiritual things with spiritual. 14 But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; nor can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. 15 But he who is spiritual judges all things, yet he himself is rightly judged by no one. 16 For “who has known the mind of the Lord that he may instruct Him?” But we have the mind of Christ.

John 16:13
However, when He, the Spirit of truth, has come, He will guide you into all truth; for He will not speak on His own authority, but whatever He hears He will speak; and He will tell you things to come.

Neither.

JESUSKiDtommy said:

Can man understand the BIBLE using his intellect alone, or do we have to have GOD'S HOLY LOVE FOR PEOPLE living inside us to reveal understanding to us?

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Why can't we simply understand the bible for what it has been understood to be for 2000 years now?

I've never seen two Orthodox Christians arguing over the meaning of the bible. We already know what it means.

JESUSKiDtommy said:

maybe because we are told to work out our own salvation with fearful respect toward GOD.... If we were all as humble as we should be could GOD not bring unity>?

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You just contradicted the Apostle Paul

JESUSKiDtommy said:

Can man understand the BIBLE using his intellect alone, or do we have to have GOD'S HOLY LOVE FOR PEOPLE living inside us to reveal understanding to us?

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I think we can come to intellectual conclusions on matters of theology studying the Bible.

However, I agree with your OP we must have the Love of Christ by regeneration which illumines us to His Word. As Paul says the Gospel is foolishness to those perishing (1 Corinthians 1:18)

And of course:

But a natural man does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually appraised. (1 Corinthians 2:14)

You may be able to understand the milk of God's Word, know the stories, but one needs an open mind, a relationship with God and Christ and the Spirit of Truth to lead you into the deeper things of God, the Meat of God's Word.

JESUSKiDtommy said:

Can man understand the BIBLE using his intellect alone, or do we have to have GOD'S HOLY LOVE FOR PEOPLE living inside us to reveal understanding to us?

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Mebbe.

Yahweh already accomlished this in ACTS, and throughout the assemblies in the Epistles of the New Testament, in the first and second centuries.
By then, though, also, there were "many anti-christs AMONG Ekklesia (in the assemblies)" and wolves around the assemblies waiting for the Apostles to depart who then , after the Apostles departed, tore the flocks apart, as the Apostles had warned ahead of time they would do.

The Ekklesia lived daily full of joy and peace and righteousness, continually,
as written, and a few still do today, in union every day with Jesus and with the Father, echad(one) with them, again as written in Yahweh's Word.

JESUSKiDtommy said:

maybe because we are told to work out our own salvation with fearful respect toward GOD.... If we were all as humble as we should be could GOD not bring unity>?

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Yes, this is true as the Apostles all declared, as Jesus and Yahweh directed.

JESUSKiDtommy said:

maybe because we are told to work out our own salvation with fearful respect toward GOD.... If we were all as humble as we should be could GOD not bring unity>?

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NO, it's not an intellectual book that it can be comprehended because a person is smart.

1Co. 1:21
For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.

1Co. 1:25
Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men; and the weakness of God is stronger than men.

The concepts within the Bible can only be understood Spiritually, it's
"Hide in plain sight" the world is Deaf and Blind, come through Jesus and your Sight and Hearing are restored.

HTacianas said:

Why can't we simply understand the bible for what it has been understood to be for 2000 years now?

I've never seen two Orthodox Christians arguing over the meaning of the bible. We already know what it means.

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Or at least you think you already know what it means and you think that there are never two "orthodox christians" with different opinions about the Bible. The roman catholics think they know what it means. And so do the ever-growing number of protestant denominations.

Johnny4ChristJesus said:

Or at least you think you already know what it means and you think that there are never two "orthodox christians" with different opinions about the Bible. The roman catholics think they know what it means. And so do the ever-growing number of protestant denominations.

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When did the Orthodox Church go wrong? It has existed for two thousand years now.

KingdomLeast said:

You may be able to understand the milk of God's Word, know the stories, but one needs an open mind, a relationship with God and Christ and the Spirit of Truth to lead you into the deeper things of God, the Meat of God's Word.

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The meat of God's Word is to discern between good and evil. Many churches today do not know how to do this. The fact that many of them teach that a believer can commit willful sin and still be saved is proof that this is so.

JESUSKiDtommy said:

Can man understand the BIBLE using his intellect alone, or do we have to have GOD'S HOLY LOVE FOR PEOPLE living inside us to reveal understanding to us?

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Man cannot understand God's Word without God spiritually revealing it's truths to that person. They also need to be pure in heart and not have a wrong attitude that seeks to justify remaining in their sin on some level, as well. In fact, the very gospel message they preach can be that out that they are looking for (so they can justify sin with the thinking they are saved).

HTacianas said:

When did the Orthodox Church go wrong? It has existed for two thousand years now.

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Wouldn't the roman catholics say the same to you? They don't agree with the protestants and the "orthodox church" doesn't agree with them. The roman catholics don't believe they went wrong. They believe those who broke away from them did and that would include you and the protestants.

Johnny4ChristJesus said:

Wouldn't the roman catholics say the same to you? They don't agree with the protestants and the "orthodox church" doesn't agree with them. The roman catholics don't believe they went wrong. They believe those who broke away from them did and that would include you and the protestants.

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The Roman Church and the Orthodox Churches do not differ on the bible. They all agree what it means.

HTacianas said:

Why can't we simply understand the bible for what it has been understood to be for 2000 years now?

I've never seen two Orthodox Christians arguing over the meaning of the bible. We already know what it means.

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That's sort of a roundabout way is saying we have the Truth!

When in actuality, why you would not see two Orthodox, two Catholics, two Lutherans, or two Anglicans arguing, is that your all by your own organizations taught the same thing, your all taught what the Interpretations are/mean.

It's like some Spiritual math class where everyone gets the same understanding from the teacher, and any dissent is Heresy.