WHY IS DANIEL 9:24-27 ONE OF THE MOST SIGNIFICANT PASSAGES IN SCRIPTURE ?

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The real Jesus will not return to earthly israel!

God uses the Cross as the only means to make subjects of the World. A manifested messiah cannot have any subjects, least the Cross (sacrifice) be removed.

A manifested earthly messiah cannot guarantee salvation, even unto redemption, for the function is that of the Holy Spirit. That is why Jesus said I must go in order for the Holy Spirit to come, if I do not go, then he cannot come.

John 3:5 is where the Cross and the Holy Spirit must be present until Christ returns.

When Christ returns, he becomes subject to the Father and all who were written in the book of Life would have come by carrying their cross, even onto death. Christ will continue to reign through his Cross, until he returns to destroy the final enemy death. Death and hell cannot continue in his millennium reign, within his Father's house and they must not be in his presence.

The new earth and new heaven being formed when he returns to dwell forever with those who are resurrected in their incorruptible sinless bodies.

So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation. (Hebrews 9:28)

When we are presented before him as sinless beings, within our resurrected sinless bodies.

As the Apostle John said.....

Dear friends, now we are children of God, and what we will be has not yet been made known. But we know that when Christ appears, we shall be like him, for we shall see him as he is. (1 John 3:2)

His return will coincide with the Judgement of the Dead and no death can be in his Holy presence, neither can mortal humans be procreating and dying around him.

Jesus comes to destroy this earthly fabric of time and space and to ushur in the eternal nexus of his Father's house of many rooms/ dimensions.

Do not wait in anticipation, in your flesh for a manifested messiah. You will see the real Jesus, once you biologically die and are raised in your incorruptible heavenly bodies (1 John 3:2).

That's a bit far out.

Jesus will return to this earth literally, just as Acts 1 declares.

For those without Jesus Christ, their soul is already... considered as one who is 'dead', even though they walk upon the earth in flesh bodies (Matt.8:22).

What makes you think those present during His future Millennial reign that still refuse Him won't still have dead souls, even in His presence?

Rev 3:9
9 Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.
KJV
 
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Epiphanes who polluted the santuary (temple) in 165 B.C. Jerusalem with a idol abomination to Zeus he placed inside the temple.

I think, correct me if I am wrong, the abomination that causes desolation was set on top on of the alter:

1 Maccabees 1:54
Now the fifteenth day of the month Casleu, in the hundred forty and fifth year, they set up the abomination of desolation upon the altar, and builded idol altars throughout the cities of Juda on every side

The alter was located in the courtyard just outside the temple building.

But the destruction of Jerusalem and the temple in 70 A.D. was by the Romans.

Agree

and I would add:

Luke 21:20-21 When you see Jerusalem being surrounded by armies, you will know that its desolation is near. Then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains, let those in the city get out, and let those in the country not enter the city

equals or is the same as:

Matthew 24:15-16
So when you see standing in the holy place ‘the abomination that causes desolation,’a spoken of through the prophet Daniel—let the reader understand— 16then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains
 
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You need to argue history with Claninja then. The facts still are... the Romans destroyed Jerusalem and the temple in 70 A.D., and that's who the 2nd sentence of Dan.9:26 is pointing to, but even that still will have a final fulfillment with the final Antichrist that's to come at the very end of this present world.

That is not the biblical facts based on what Jesus talked about in Scripture.

Jesus was not giving us a history lesson or talked about literal stones of the buildings. Rather he compared the stones with the people of the congregation which his body (Temple) represents. Of course, you are blindly looking for secular/carnal fulfillment just like the Jewish leaders of old and premillennialists.

Daniel 9:26 was talking about the desolate of old testament congregation. Daniel 9:27 is talking about the New Testament congregation whom Christ confirmed a covenant with and how she eventually fell into desolate in the end prior to consummation.

The facts still are... the Romans destroyed Jerusalem and the temple in 70 A.D.

Did the Romans actually destroy every single stone of the temple AND the city yet many of these are still standing today if you ever bother to visit there. You have to explain how something that you theorize must be taken very literally, is now mysteriously not very literally when it comes to God's very specific qualification of the prophecy as not one stone would be left standing one upon another. It's just this one part that isn't to be taken literally? That's not some generality, that's a very exact, precise and detailed "qualification" of the very stones of both the Temple and the City. In other words, our Lord was precise, explicit and quite unambiguous in what He said about the (so called) literal stones. First, that there would not be "one stone left standing," and then "one upon another." Thus if you are going to take the Temple building and the City construction very literally, then you by definition have to take Christ's qualifying remarks about said Temple destruction literally. Else you have confusion and or personal opinions (private interpretation) about just how much of it must be literal. If the Temple is literal and the City is literal, then the qualifying term of "every single stone" of it falling of it must be literal. Like when Christ said, "Either make the tree good, and his fruit good; or else make the tree corrupt, and his fruit corrupt." My meaning is that it's contradictory to have one thing both precisely physical in construction and not precisely physical in its destruction.

But there really is no contradiction because when Christ was crucified, both the Temple and Holy City were brought to desolation. Not as a physical entity, but as it represents the congregation of God, and its stones "ARE" the people of said congregation! Something that you failed to see. Just as it does in the New Testament dispensation. The Temple building fitly framed together, a holy temple in the Lord, with us as the stones and Christ the corner stone. Likewise, old testament Holy city, as Christ Himself illustrated in Luke 19.

Luke 19:44
  • "And shall lay thee even with the ground, and thy children within thee; and they shall not leave in thee one stone upon another; because thou knewest not the time of thy visitation."
Don't you see that Christ is not talking about a physical city, but the Old Testament congregation of Israel, and how it would be brought to ruin or desolation? It's so obvious. And it is also obvious that it was not in 70 A.D. by the Romans, but by Christ's own people who rejected Him. The Holy City and Sanctuary "represent" the Lord's Old Testament congregation, the people of Israel. Moreover, when God fulfills Scripture, its not halfway, pick and choose or contradictory, it's total harmony with itself.

Daniel 9:26
  • "And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined."
The people who destroyed the city were not the Romans, it was the people of the Prince, the Messiah. Christ was cut off at the cross, not in 70 A.D., and not for Himself--for His people - the stones of his building! Indeed true to his prophecy, the city and the sanctuary were destroyed or brought to desolation by the people of the Prince.. This is what Christ spoke about as He wept over the Holy City Jerusalem concerning its desolation! Not that it would take play over 30 years later in 70 A.D., but them being cut off and blinded when He (whom the city and sanctuary represented) was cut off. It's not talking about physical stones falling, but spiritually stones falling as the kingdom was taken from them and given to another. Not God's building the ruins again by physical stones, but by spiritual stones, with Him (whom they had rejected as Messiah) as the chief corner stone of that rebuilding. Sure, there are professing Christians running to and fro looking for a physical rebuilding of the Holy Temple and a Physical restoring of the land and city, but this is private rather than God's interpretation of the Prophecy.

Mark 12:9-12
  • "What shall therefore the lord of the vineyard do? he will come and destroy the husbandmen, and will give the vineyard unto others.
  • And have ye not read this scripture; The stone which the builders rejected is become the head of the corner:
  • This was the Lord's doing, and it is marvellous in our eyes?
  • And they sought to lay hold on him, but feared the people: for they knew that he had spoken the parable against them: and they left him, and went their way."
How is it that they knew, but Christians today with so much more information choose to think it terms of physical stones and buildings. Even these of Israel perceived that this building Christ spoke about in parables was about them, and the rebuilding with Christ as the corner stone, was spoken about Him. Today we muse about how stone falling and being in rebuilding must be taken in a literal fashion simply because Josephus' testimony of the Romans who laid siege upon and sacked Jerusalem. That's all well and Good, but where is the Biblical validation that "this" fulfills prophecy? Simply because it seems so doesn't cut it.

That is biblical history!
 
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I think, correct me if I am wrong, the abomination that causes desolation was set on top on of the alter:

1 Maccabees 1:54
Now the fifteenth day of the month Casleu, in the hundred forty and fifth year, they set up the abomination of desolation upon the altar, and builded idol altars throughout the cities of Juda on every side

The alter was located in the courtyard just outside the temple building.

True actually, it was his sacrifice of swine with the spreading of its broth that was inside the temple.

Agree

and I would add:

Luke 21:20-21 When you see Jerusalem being surrounded by armies, you will know that its desolation is near. Then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains, let those in the city get out, and let those in the country not enter the city

equals or is the same as:

Matthew 24:15-16
So when you see standing in the holy place ‘the abomination that causes desolation,’a spoken of through the prophet Daniel—let the reader understand— 16then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains

The Luke 21:20 passage many miss. It's really not the same subject as Matt.24:15-16. Instead, it's for the time of the very last day when Jesus returns, i.e., the day of vengance of Isaiah 61:2. The subject flow is more about the last day of this world.

Luke 21:20-28
20 And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.

This "desolation" is not about the "abomination of desolation". It's about the desolation of God destroying those armies on the last day of this world. That's what will happen when Jesus returns there.


21 Then let them which are in Judaea flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto.

22 For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled.

This is new info that wasn't given in the Matthew 24 and Mark 13 versions. This is about Isaiah 61:2, the final event of this world with God taking vengance upon the earth on the "day of the Lord". This links to that "desolation" of verse 20, not the AOD which will occur around 1260 days earlier when it's placed in false worship in Jerusalem.


23 But woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck, in those days! for there shall be great distress in the land, and wrath upon this people.

Truly, there is a "with child" metaphor God used in the OT regarding the spiritual harlot who goes after idols. Those who bow to the idol abomination of Dan.11:31 will be considered spiritual harlots, like Apostle Paul warned against in 2 Cor.11, and was warned of about taking the mark of the beast or his name or image. God's wrath will be upon those, pointing to that day of vengance.


24 And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.

The first part of that was history from the 70 A.D. events. But the second part is about a new temple in Jerusalem shown in Revelation 11:1-2, and the Gentiles treading Jerusalem at the very end of this world, pointing back to those armies surrounding Jerusalem for the end of this world in prep for Armageddon which is when Jesus comes.


25 And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring;
26 Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken.

Sign's of Jesus' 2nd coming, not 70 A.D.


27 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.
28 And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.
KJV


Signs of Jesus' 2nd coming, not 70 A.D.
 
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Which changes nothing, because there are places in God's Word where a huge amount of time can exist between just two verses. Zechariah 9:9-10 is like this, one verse about Christ's 1st coming and the next verse about Christ's 2nd coming. So can you try to modify the actual written Scripture by deleting chapters with that? No, it wouldn't matter. Likewise with the Dan.9 events, there's a huge amount of time between the Romans destroying Jerusalem and the temple and the coming of the final Antichrist at the end of this world.

That is not the point. The point is those that are EASILY CONFUSED because they can not understand the passage confuses it much easier because the translator in this instance didn't separate the verse in the correct place. They should be able to understand it but they can't

My point remains, they have the verses dissected wrongly here.
 
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I think, correct me if I am wrong, the abomination that causes desolation was set on top on of the alter:

1 Maccabees 1:54
Now the fifteenth day of the month Casleu, in the hundred forty and fifth year, they set up the abomination of desolation upon the altar, and builded idol altars throughout the cities of Juda on every side

That's not good enough! Never has been! In world history, that might be good enough. In Social Studies, that might be good enough. Like in playing horseshoes, close would be good enough. But we are dealing with God's Holy Word which must be understood correctly, and it's not good enough to you? So you go to different sources:

Exhibit A, the book of Maccabees
Exhibit B, the book of Jasher
Exhibit C, ...Well that will suffice.

Neither the writings of Thomas, Josephus, nor John Calvin can be an interpreter of God's Word!

Rule Number One! Sola Scriptura! The God breathed word of God "ALONE" and "WHOLLY," is the only faithful interpreter of scriptures, only within the Holy Canon of the Bible! Not the uninspired historical writings of men! Selah!
 
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[Staff edit].

come on......please believe in the witnesses of scriptures......Apostle Paul, Apostle John, Hebres writer and even Jesus.

The Prince in Daniel 9:27 is Messiah who confirms the Covenant in the week of Daniel's 70 week prophecy and he ends the Old Testament sacrifices by his once and for all sacrifice.

to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again

after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself:

The context is three score and two weeks, that is the context of the verse that follows....

he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease,

It is talking of the week with reference to the versus detailing the 70 week prophecy, concerning Messiah the Prince.

How you make an arbitrary uncorrelated week for another unknown week, an unknown covenant and an unknown prince is a totally different reality, which is in vast contrast to God's planetary 70th week which had been prepared and purposes solely for the Messiah the Prince.
 
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Jesus will return to this earth literally, just as Acts 1 declares.

That is one witness you used, whilst ignoring what Jesus said and what I had posted earlier. It would be highly probable that you are collapsing the context. Acts 1 needs a context, from other witnesses in scripture and you haven't presented any by the way.

What makes you think those present during His future Millennial reign that still refuse Him won't still have dead souls, even in His presence?

Because I presented three witnesses from scripture, Paul, John and the Hebrews writer, that state, when Jesus returns he defeats the final enemy death and he does not come to forgive sins, but to redeem his sheep, through the resurrection of the dead, coinciding with the Judgement of the Dead, when the books are opened and death and hell are thrown in the lake of fire. The old earth and old heavens will disappear from his presence and all who see him would have put on their resurrection bodies and to see him as he is in his resurrected glorified form.

Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.

This was a message sent to the Bishop of the Church that was in Asia Minor within the 1st Century. Jesus is addressing his entire Church within the 1st Century, in his open letter and remarking on their standing with Him. You are using this verse in the same way you use Acts 1 and as a result, you are collapsing the context.
 
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How you make an arbitrary uncorrelated week for another unknown week, an unknown covenant and an unknown prince is a totally different reality, which is in vast contrast to God's planetary 70th week which had been prepared and purposes solely for the Messiah the Prince.
Jesus did not/will not confirm a covenant for a 7 year period
Jesus did not/will not break that covenant and send forth a command to kill all Jews in Judea as the prince that breaks that covenant will do
The people of Jesus will not destroy the sanctuary of the city
those that say that this event happened with nero or at any time in the past and believe there will not be a event as this in the future have never been able to give a full account with full details of events of Jesus returning to earth and establishing HIS Kingdom on earth - which is another thing you say will not happen

Even tough there are many many many scriptures that describes the who what where why and how of all of it and you guys dismiss multiple chapters of the bible as if it were not there
So your stripped down version does not fit what the bible shows and ends up making no sense
 
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Jesus did not/will not confirm a covenant for a 7 year period
Jesus did not/will not break that covenant and send forth a command to kill all Jews in Judea as the prince that breaks that covenant will do
The people of Jesus will not destroy the sanctuary of the city
those that say that this event happened with nero or at any time in the past and believe there will not be a event as this in the future have never been able to give a full account with full details of events of Jesus returning to earth and establishing HIS Kingdom on earth - which is another thing you say will not happen

Even tough there are many many many scriptures that describes the who what where why and how of all of it and you guys dismiss multiple chapters of the bible as if it were not there
So your stripped down version does not fit what the bible shows and ends up making no sense
Those poor antichrists (1 John 2:18). They need all the friends they can get.
 
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Those poor antichrists (1 John 2:18). They need all the friends they can get.

It is like that Hollywood movie, "If you built it they will come".

Certainly, the Israel and Jerusalem of today has been built by and for the Anti-Christ agents to come, in order to usher in their Grand Master Anti-Christ, to whom they will accept when he comes in his own name.

I have come in my Father’s name, and you do not receive me. If another comes in his own name, you will receive him. (John 5:43)

29I have told you now before it happens, so that when it does happen you will believe. 30I will not say much more to you, for the prince of this world is coming. He has no hold over me, 31but he comes so that the world may learn that I love the Father and do exactly what my Father has commanded me. (John 14:29-31)

How prophetic Jesus, for your name is blessed above all names, all to the glory of the Father.

Historical evidence has it that God did allow the building up of Israel, Jerusalem and its walls, for the coming of his salvation Agent, the Promised Seed of His Covenant, who is Jesus Christ.

It is evident that the prophetic Old Testament Word given to Daniel through Gabriel is for the building up of Jerusalem for the coming of Jesus Christ, who confirms the Covenant of God with the many Gentile nations of the world in one week (70th week).

The Israel and Jerusalem of the times we are living in, has no prophetic relevance to Daniel's 70th week coming of Messiah the Prince, as God's salvation Agent.

In fact we can discern that what ever the Anti-Christs have built up today, along with the forecasted third temple abomination and abominable sacrifices, is for the other guy to come on the scene as the nationalistic Messiah, who has the concerns of the flesh and not the concerns of the Holy Spirit.

5Those who live according to the flesh have their minds set on what the flesh desires; but those who live in accordance with the Spirit have their minds set on what the Spirit desires. 6The mind governed by the flesh is death, but the mind governed by the Spirit is life and peace. 7The mind governed by the flesh is hostile to God; it does not submit to God’s law, nor can it do so. 8Those who are in the realm of the flesh cannot please God. (Roman's 8:5-7)

There is a worldly fleshly peace governed by the mind of flesh and there is the Godly spiritual peace governed by the mind and heart of the Spirit.

We have two groups manifesting side by side, as it was foretold by Jesus before the end.

9You, however, are not in the realm of the flesh but are in the realm of the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God lives in you. And if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, they do not belong to Christ. (Is omans 8:9)

The story of the Wheat and the Tares comes to mind towards the end of the Harvest of God, when there will be a great divide, a sword of separation that Jesus will foment (stir up) in the times that we are living in.

What have the Anti-Christ agents built up in the times we are living in?

A counterfeit to the one 2000 years ago.

Is it prophetic to God's word given to Daniel?

Absolutely not!

Why have they built up Israel and Jerusalem in the times we are living in?

To receive the other guy.

That is, if they build it He (Anti-Christ) will come.
 
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It is like that Hollywood movie, "If you built it they will come".

Certainly, the Israel and Jerusalem of today has been built by and for the Anti-Christ agents to come, in order to usher in their Grand Master Anti-Christ, to whom they will accept when he comes in his own name.

I have come in my Father’s name, and you do not receive me. If another comes in his own name, you will receive him. (John 5:43)

29I have told you now before it happens, so that when it does happen you will believe. 30I will not say much more to you, for the prince of this world is coming. He has no hold over me, 31but he comes so that the world may learn that I love the Father and do exactly what my Father has commanded me. (John 14:29-31)

How prophetic Jesus, for your name is blessed above all names, all to the glory of the Father.

Historical evidence has it that God did allow the building up of Israel, Jerusalem and its walls, for the coming of his salvation Agent, the Promised Seed of His Covenant, who is Jesus Christ.

It is evident that the prophetic Old Testament Word given to Daniel through Gabriel is for the building up of Jerusalem for the coming of Jesus Christ, who confirms the Covenant of God with the many Gentile nations of the world in one week (70th week).

The Israel and Jerusalem of the times we are living in, has no prophetic relevance to Daniel's 70th week coming of Messiah the Prince, as God's salvation Agent.

In fact we can discern that what ever the Anti-Christs have built up today, along with the forecasted third temple abomination and abominable sacrifices, is for the other guy to come on the scene as the nationalistic Messiah, who has the concerns of the flesh and not the concerns of the Holy Spirit.

5Those who live according to the flesh have their minds set on what the flesh desires; but those who live in accordance with the Spirit have their minds set on what the Spirit desires. 6The mind governed by the flesh is death, but the mind governed by the Spirit is life and peace. 7The mind governed by the flesh is hostile to God; it does not submit to God’s law, nor can it do so. 8Those who are in the realm of the flesh cannot please God. (Roman's 8:5-7)

There is a worldly fleshly peace governed by the mind of flesh and there is the Godly spiritual peace governed by the mind and heart of the Spirit.

We have two groups manifesting side by side, as it was foretold by Jesus before the end.

9You, however, are not in the realm of the flesh but are in the realm of the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God lives in you. And if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, they do not belong to Christ. (Is omans 8:9)

The story of the Wheat and the Tares comes to mind towards the end of the Harvest of God, when there will be a great divide, a sword of separation that Jesus will foment (stir up) in the times that we are living in.

What have the Anti-Christ agents built up in the times we are living in?

A counterfeit to the one 2000 years ago.

Is it prophetic to God's word given to Daniel?

Absolutely not!

Why have they built up Israel and Jerusalem in the times we are living in?

To receive the other guy.

That is, if they build it He (Anti-Christ) will come.

It is self-evident that there is a big doctrinal problem, when the understanding of the historical true Christian Church for eighteen centuries, of the finished work of Christ at Calvary in Daniel 9; is rejected, and instead attributed to a fantasized antichrist in the indeterminate future.

There are adjectives which I won't repeat here to describe such claims.
 
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Jesus did not/will not confirm a covenant for a 7 year period

You can throw in any arbitrary number, yet it does not make it a valid argument. Daniel's prophetic 70 weeks, for the coming of Messiah, is for him to confirm the Covenant of God with many Gentile nations, inclusive of faithful Jews who did receive him and this, I testify as a faithful Christian, Jesus fulfilled 100%.

Are you implying that Jesus failed to confirm God's Holy Covenant?

Well, please say it, if you believe so.....because your argument, regardless of any arbitrary numbers in your claim, it really comes down to this question, a Yes or a No, as to whether Jesus succeeded in fulfilling exactly what the Father had sent him out to do as His Salvation Agent.

Jesus did not/will not break that covenant and send forth a command to kill all Jews in Judea as the prince that breaks that covenant will do

As I stated previously and throughout all my postings, that Jesus fulfilled 100% what he was set out to do. In the middle of the prophetic week, that was determined conditionally upon Daniel's People, within the context of culture and context of situation of their generation, to whom the prophecy of building up of Jerusalem was intended for, he was crucified for the sins of many, hence he accomplished the mission of being the permanent atoning replacement for the Old Covenant sacrifices, that were obligatory before the Cross, but were not legally admissible (valid) as far as God the Father is concerned.

The Jews failed to comply with the conditional contract of God through his Salvation Agent and in this respect, the desolate house (unbelieving Jews) who rejected their messiah were judged by their own words by God himself.

They even testified before Jesus what should become of them, in the following parable......

The Parable of the Tenants

33“Listen to another parable: There was a landowner who planted a vineyard. He put a wall around it, dug a winepress in it and built a watchtower. Then he rented the vineyard to some farmers and moved to another place. 34When the harvest time approached, he sent his servants to the tenants to collect his fruit.

35“The tenants seized his servants; they beat one, killed another, and stoned a third. 36Then he sent other servants to them, more than the first time, and the tenants treated them the same way. 37Last of all, he sent his son to them. ‘They will respect my son,’ he said.

38But when the tenants saw the son, they said to each other, ‘This is the heir. Come, let’s kill him and take his inheritance.’ 39So they took him and threw him out of the vineyard and killed him.

The Anti-Christ Jews killed Jesus according to the testimony of Jesus.

40“Therefore, when the owner of the vineyard comes, what will he do to those tenants?”

41He will bring those wretches to a wretched end,” they replied, “and he will rent the vineyard to other tenants, who will give him his share of the crop at harvest time.” (Matthew 21:33-41)

God allowed them to be judged by their own admission and especially when they said, the blood of God's Christ be on us and on our children. So the rigthoues God respected their wishes and executed the righteous judgment upon them. It is befitting don't you think?

Parable of the Great Feast

1Jesus also told them other parables. He said, 2“The Kingdom of Heaven can be illustrated by the story of a king who prepared a great wedding feast for his son. 3When the banquet was ready, he sent his servants to notify those who were invited. But they all refused to come!

4“So he sent other servants to tell them, ‘The feast has been prepared. The bulls and fattened cattle have been killed, and everything is ready. Come to the banquet!’ 5But the guests he had invited ignored them and went their own way, one to his farm, another to his business. 6Others seized his messengers and insulted them and killed them.

7The king was furious, and he sent out his army to destroy the murderers and burn their City. 8And he said to his servants, ‘The wedding feast is ready, and the guests I invited aren’t worthy of the honor. 9Now go out to the street corners and invite everyone you see.’ 10So the servants brought in everyone they could find, good and bad alike, and the banquet hall was filled with guests.

11“But when the king came in to meet the guests, he noticed a man who wasn’t wearing the proper clothes for a wedding. 12‘Friend,’ he asked, ‘how is it that you are here without wedding clothes?’ But the man had no reply. 13Then the king said to his aides, ‘Bind his hands and feet and throw him into the outer darkness, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.’

14“For many are called, but few are chosen.” (Matthew 22:1-14)

Those who were originally invited were the Jews and yet we have God, prophetically pointing to 70AD, that he would confirm his Holy Covenant with the many Gentile nations (Daniel 9:27) and then he would send out his army (people of the Prince Daniel 9:26) to destroy those murderers of his Son and burned their city (Jerusalem).

So many witnesses of scripture and so much historical evidence and yet why not just believe Jesus what he said would happen?

The people of Jesus will not destroy the sanctuary of the city

Nonsense!
Go back and re-read what future to their generation (context of situation) prophetic parables Jesus gave to the desolate without Christ Anti-Christs.

those that say that this event happened with nero or at any time in the past and believe there will not be a event as this in the future have never been able to give a full account with full details of events of Jesus returning to earth and establishing HIS Kingdom on earth - which is another thing you say will not happen

Jesus according to Apostle Paul is reigning through his body of believers, his Church and will continue to do so, by making subjects of the world through his Cross, until he destroys all dominion, authority and power. When he comes he will destroy/abolish death itself and will then become subject to the Father, as his Cross as the salvation Agent has made subjects of the world, all of whom who were written in the book of life, before the creation of the world. Then at his return, the books will be opened and no harvest continues last this point. People are either saved through the power of his Cross or they are not.

So your stripped down version does not fit what the bible shows and ends up making no sense

Can you see that this is an unwarranted charge and one that is very easy to dismiss, without even giving an answer in reply, because it is plain to see. Obviously!
 
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The Prince in Daniel 9:27 is Messiah who confirms the Covenant in the week of Daniel's 70 week prophecy

Correct. It was Messiah the Prince who has confirmed a Covenant in verse 27. The Promise "IS" the New Covenant, a last will and Testament leaving an inheritance far greater than a plot of dirt in the Middle East called "Canaan". And this is what Old Covenant Israel, as well as premillennialists and Preterists, couldn't grasp. That they would never enter the promised land by law, but BY GRACE acquired in the New Testament of Christ...as they still do not grasp to this very day.

Galatians 3:16-18
[16] Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.
[17] And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.
[18] For if the inheritance be of the law, it is no more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham by promise.

Again, the definition of Covenant is an Oath, or Promise. Likewise a Biblical Testament is a Promise or Oath. Even today in our society a "will" is a Testament or "Promissory" note of action after the death of the Covenant maker or Testator. The Covenant or "PROMISE" That God made with Abraham is a sort of last will and Testament bequeathing the inheritance of the promised land. This Covenant was a Testament of God gGod-givenstrength by the death of Christ.

Hebrews 13:20-21
  • "Now the God of peace, that brought again from the dead our Lord Jesus, that great shepherd of the sheep, through the blood of the everlasting Covenant,
  • Make you perfect in every good work to do his will, working in you that which is wellpleasing in his sight, through Jesus Christ; to whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen."
That everlasting Covenant is the eternal Testament. So I just don't want there to be any misunderstanding of what I believe the Covenant/Testament is, and what it is all about. The Old Covenant/Testament saints were saved just like we are, and that is why scripture says Christ was slain "from the foundation of the world." Because the blood of His Testament bequeathing an inheritance to His people reaches back to before the cross, to cover all Old Testament saints. Being confirmed or fulfilled by His death on the cross.

Revelation 13:8
  • " And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world."
It indeed is a Testament. And a blood Covenant/Testament is a promise or oath that is only of force after one is dead. i.e., the Old Testament sacrifices were a blood Covenant/Testament testifying to and "prefiguring" Christ. He is the Messiah prophesied to strengthen or fulfill it. Again:

Hebrews 9:17-18
  • "For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth.
  • Whereupon neither the First Testament was dedicated without blood."
There is Messiah "Giving Strength" to the Covenant for many as prophesied in Daniel 9. The Hebrew word there for confirming in DANIEL 9 is actually the word meaning "STRENGTHEN" or Make Strong. The first (Old) Testament/Covenant, or promise, made to the saints was with blood sacrifice signifying that it would be fulfilled or given strength in Christ. i.e., the old was imperfect, and only a "figure" looking forward to Christ. That's why scripture says the Old Covenant had to pass away, because when the "true" comes, the old prefiguring it cannot remain. By Christ's blood giving strength or force to the Testament making it new, we are no longer condemned by Old Testament law. The Old Testament shadow passes away.

Hebrews 10:1
  • "For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect."
Christ would be the one who would come to strengthen, confirm, give efficacy to the Testament. It was he who Daniel prophesied of doing exactly this.

Daniel 9:26-27
  • "And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.
  • And he shall confirm (MAKE STRONG) the Covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate."
Confirming [gabar], or "literally" strengthening the Covenant for many. This is precisely what Messiah did when He was cut off after 69 weeks, and it is exactly what Hebrews chapter 9 says (not implies) about Messiah/Christ giving the Covenant/Testament strength by His shed blood. In other words, the covenant can't become a force until the Covenantor dies first!

he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease,

You are incorrect to think that Sacrifice and offering ceased at the Cross, just as the law didn't cease at the Cross. Selah! What was confirmed (satisfied) by the TRUE sacrifice and offering? For example, Christ was the fulfillment of what was merely foreshadowing Him. As long as there is salvation on earth, sacrifice and offering CONTIUNES! Selah!

Let examine more on this...

We have biblical precedence that both the word "sacrifice" and "offering" are used in the scriptures signifying salvation, and also that it is used in the sense that there can be no more sacrifice and offering. A couple of examples would be as these words are used in Hebrews.

Hebrews 10:14
  • "For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified."
This offering is Christ, indicating that by this "perfect" and acceptable offering, men are saved. Likewise, sacrifice is used in the sense that there can be no salvation in Christ. For example:

Hebrews 10:26-27
  • "For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
  • But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries."
Here sacrifice is used to illustrate the end of opportunity for salvation. Christ is our sacrifice and offering, and when all the tribes of Israel are sealed (Revelation 7) or the fulness of Gentiles be coming in, there will be no more sacrifice and offering. At that time, there will be no more Salvation because Christ's work through the Church is completed! And "all" Covenant Israel will have been saved! Selah!

In Hebrews 14:26-27 God uses the term "there remaineth no more sacrifice" as a synonym illustrating "Salvation will not be possible." Likewise, He uses the word "offering" illustrating the salvation of Christ. Therefore, taken along with all the scriptures that say that there is coming a time when the salvation of the Church is complete, I think we are justified in saying that a case can be made that the prophecy of "sacrifice and offering ceasing" illustrates a time when salvation ceases, not the time when people literally stop sacrificing animals. Context also supports this! Also, we read in Matthew 24:

Matthew 24:21-22
  • "For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
  • And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened."
There would be no flesh saved because if this evil time continued on without anyone being saved (because Sacrifice and offering had ceased), there would be no more Christians left when Christ came. Selah!

Revelation 7:4
  • "And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel."
The sacrifice and Obligation that Christ did on our behalf under the new Covenant ceased BECAUSE all Israel have been sealed. Therefore sacrifice has ceased because no one else no longer being sealed by the spirit in the Great Tribulation prior to Second Coming and a time for the judgment of unfaithful congregation of New Testament. Just like the Israel of Old in verse 26!

Selah!
 
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You can throw in any arbitrary number, yet it does not make it a valid argument. Daniel's prophetic 70 weeks, for the coming of Messiah, is for him to confirm the Covenant of God with many Gentile nations, inclusive of faithful Jews who did receive him and this, I testify as a faithful Christian, Jesus fulfilled 100%.
The Anti-Christ Jews killed Jesus according to the testimony of Jesus.

You have not a clue whatsoever about this matter .
not even a clue of a clue
Daniel's prophetic 70 weeks,
the last week is a 7 year time frame
70 weeks of 7 years EACH
the last week of 7 years is the end on human run government as KING Jesus will reign on earth after that
nearly everything you said is Bunk -false No relation to what is really going to happen
as long as you try to find things in the past to fulfill things yet to happen you will not get it - you wont understand
You cannot address a multitude of things with any reasonable level of reality
Jesus Will Rule ON EARTH after end time events are fulfilled
 
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You have not a clue whatsoever about this matter .
not even a clue of a clue
Daniel's prophetic 70 weeks,
the last week is a 7 year time frame
70 weeks of 7 years EACH
the last week of 7 years is the end on human run government as KING Jesus will reign on earth after that
nearly everything you said is Bunk -false No relation to what is really going to happen
as long as you try to find things in the past to fulfill things yet to happen you will not get it - you wont understand
You cannot address a multitude of things with any reasonable level of reality
Jesus Will Rule ON EARTH after end time events are fulfilled

Daniel Chapter 9: Dr. Kelly Varner

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Before replying to your very succinct previous post, I gave you a winner feedback, because you have presented a deep understanding, in answering the thread topic.

If I may address your post now.

Correct. It was Messiah the Prince who has confirmed a Covenant in verse 27. The Promise "IS" the New Covenant, a last will and Testament leaving an inheritance far greater than a plot of dirt in the Middle East called "Canaan". And this is what Old Covenant Israel, as well as premillennialists and Preterists, couldn't grasp. That they would never enter the promised land by law, but BY GRACE acquired in the New Testament of Christ...as they still do not grasp to this very day.

100% correct!

Galatians 3:16-18
[16] Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.
[17] And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.
[18] For if the inheritance be of the law, it is no more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham by promise.

Hallelujah!

Again, the definition of Covenant is an Oath, or Promise. Likewise a Biblical Testament is a Promise or Oath. Even today in our society a "will" is a Testament or "Promissory" note of action after the death of the Covenant maker or Testator. The Covenant or "PROMISE" That God made with Abraham is a sort of last will and Testament bequeathing the inheritance of the promised land. This Covenant was a Testament of God gGod-givenstrength by the death of Christ.

Hallelujah!

That everlasting Covenant is the eternal Testament. So I just don't want there to be any misunderstanding of what I believe the Covenant/Testament is, and what it is all about. The Old Covenant/Testament saints were saved just like we are, and that is why scripture says Christ was slain "from the foundation of the world." Because the blood of His Testament bequeathing an inheritance to His people reaches back to before the cross, to cover all Old Testament saints. Being confirmed or fulfilled by His death on the cross.

100% Correct!
I would even claim that the 24 elders in Revelation of Jesus are 12 Old Covenant Elders who sit on Christ's right and 12 New Covenant Apostles who sit on his left. Heavenly New Jerusalem is partitioned into two congregations, the former sea and the latter sea. (Zech 14)

The 24 elders are the kingly judges who sit in Christ's heavenly court. That is why Jesus is called the King of kings (24 Elders). The 24 earthly judges were the shadow of what was to come.

The 24 elders are the inner sanctum of Christ's Heavenly courtroom. The outer unmeasured (not yet redeemed) us the world where the symbol of the two witnesses preach the gospel and offer Christ's sacrifice daily (daily sacrifice). These are the Church, within the Great Commission.

7And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them. (Rev 11:7)

4And I saw thrones (24 Elder heavenly judges) , and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: (Rev 20:4)

It indeed is a Testament. And a blood Covenant/Testament is a promise or oath that is only of force after one is dead. i.e., the Old Testament sacrifices were a blood Covenant/Testament testifying to and "prefiguring" Christ. He is the Messiah prophesied to strengthen or fulfill it.

Absolutely!

Christ would be the one who would come to strengthen, confirm, give efficacy to the Testament. It was he who Daniel prophesied of doing exactly this.

Exactly!

And he shall confirm (MAKE STRONG) the Covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate."

Remember Jesus's ministry was 3.5 years, before he was crucified. This points to the middle of the week.

The remaining ministry falls upon his Church, until the fullness of the Gentile comes to the wedding supper of the Lamb of God.

I could concede that the consummation (end) may be the end of the harvest, when the Church is martyred (two witnesses). The desolate maybe those left unsaved at Christ's return.

Confirming [gabar], or "literally" strengthening the Covenant for many. This is precisely what Messiah did when He was cut off after 69 weeks, and it is exactly what Hebrews chapter 9 says (not implies) about Messiah/Christ giving the Covenant/Testament strength by His shed blood. In other words, the covenant can't become a force until the Covenantor dies first!

This applies to every Born again Christian who has signed on, for they must sign out with their own blood. As Jesus said be faithful onto biological death and I will give you a Crown of eternal Life.

You are incorrect to think that Sacrifice and offering ceased at the Cross, just as the law didn't cease at the Cross. Selah! What was confirmed (satisfied) by the TRUE sacrifice and offering? For example, Christ was the fulfillment of what was merely foreshadowing Him. As long as there is salvation on earth, sacrifice and offering CONTIUNES! Selah!

You have a valid point and this is the daily sacrifice of Christ that is being offered to the world, in making subjects through his Cross. So once the beast of the bottomless pitt aka Satan, comes on the scene pretending to be the earthly messiah from earthly Jerusalem, then he would martyre the true Church (two witnesses) and put himself (Abomination of Desolation) in place of the daily sacrifice.

"From the time that the daily sacrifice is abolished and the abomination that causes desolation (AOD) is set up, there will be 1,290 days. (Daniel 12:11)

Refering back to the Messiah the Prince, who confirms the Covenant of God in one week, whilst considering that the first 3.5 years ir first half of the week was his ministry and when his Church finishes their testimony (preaching the gospel), they will be martyred by the AOD. This means that the Great Commission of the Church is the reasoning half of Daniel's 70th week and 1290 days alludes to the last remaining 3.5 years, which covers the entire ministry of the Church from the Cross until the daily sacrifice is ended, when they have finished making disciples of all the world.

Jesus points to this symbolic 3.5 enumeration as follows ....

11And after three days and an half the Spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them. (Rev 11:11)

Here sacrifice is used to illustrate the end of opportunity for salvation. Christ is our sacrifice and offering, and when all the tribes of Israel are sealed (Revelation 7) or the fulness of Gentiles be coming in, there will be no more sacrifice and offering. At that time, there will be no more Salvation because Christ's work through the Church is completed! And "all" Covenant Israel will have been saved! Selah!

I understand now.

In Hebrews 14:26-27 God uses the term "there remaineth no more sacrifice" as a synonym illustrating "Salvation will not be possible." Likewise, He uses the word "offering" illustrating the salvation of Christ. Therefore, taken along with all the scriptures that say that there is coming a time when the salvation of the Church is complete, I think we are justified in saying that a case can be made that the prophecy of "sacrifice and offering ceasing" illustrates a time when salvation ceases, not the time when people literally stop sacrificing animals. Context also supports this! Also, we read in Matthew 24:

A time when salvation ceases, because the true Church is then out of the way, in a world wide Calvary and Christ and his Cross are no longer offered, instead the AOD demands the world ve his subjects.

There would be no flesh saved because if this evil time continued on without anyone being saved (because Sacrifice and offering had ceased), there would be no more Christians left when Christ came. Selah!

I agree!
The Church will still end up finishing their testimony.

"And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel."

I have a different understanding, but it doesn't effect what we agree upon thus far.

The sacrifice and Obligation that Christ did on our behalf under the new Covenant ceased BECAUSE all Israel have been sealed. Therefore sacrifice has ceased because no one else no longer being sealed by the spirit in the Great Tribulation prior to Second Coming and a time for the judgment of unfaithful congregation of New Testament. Just like the Israel of Old in verse 26!

Selah!

That was the 144 that sung the song of Moses back then. Now it is the turn of those who sing the song of the Lamb and go through the Great Tribulation.
 
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