Found the missing Church of Revelation!

amariselle · Nov 11, 2017

WailingWall said:
What do the scriptures say?

Revelation 14:12 (KJV)
12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

No one was ever saved or ever will be saved by keeping the Law. The Law is a "schoolamaster", "the strength of sin is the Law" (it shows us how we sin because not a single one of us mere mortal human beings has ever kept it perfectly) we have all fallen short of the glory of God and all our righteous deeds are as filthy rags. Only Christ has perfectly kept the Law and is the sinless, spotless Lamb of God that takes away the sins of the world.

The perfect Law of God, His Holy and righteous standards, silence us and stop our mouths before Him. We cannot and dare not go about to "establish our own righteousness", or Christ will be "of no effect" to us. Christ alone perfectly fulfilled God's Law, which is why He is "the end of the Law for all who believe" and place their faith in His finished work, His once and for all, perfect and entirely sufficient sacrifice for sin.

If we add our own works, grace is no more grace. (Unmerited favour).

Salvation is not a reward for the good things we have done, it is a gift, entirely unearned and undeserved.

Hebrews 11 is wonderful to confirm that all throughout Scripture, living a life pleasing to God is not about self-effort, but faith.

amariselle · Nov 11, 2017

WailingWall said:
The book of Galatians is a book containing 6 very short chapters. In these 6 chapters circumcision is mentioned 16 times. The commandments are not mentioned once. Yet, those people that wish to do away with GODS commandments use scriptures from Galatians to try and do so. The law of circumcism is one of the carnal ordinances of the law that were nailed to the cross. Those that wish to do away with Gods 10 commandments will also try and tell you that the ordinances and the ten commandments are simply parts of the law and are not separate from one another. In saying that they will point to a scripture thats speaking of circumcision and then apply that scripture to Gods 10 commandments. This is done to extreme in the book of Galatians. The scripture below separates the law, the commandments and the ordinances

2 KINGS 17 [36] But the LORD, who brought you up out of the land of Egypt with great power and a stretched out arm, him shall ye fear, and him shall ye worship, and to him shall ye do sacrifice.[37] AND the statutes, AND the ordinances, AND the law, AND the commandment, which he wrote for you, ye shall observe to do for evermore; and ye shall not fear other gods.

AND means AND

1 COR. 7 [19] Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing, but the keeping of the commandments of God.

And although the law of circumcision was nailed to the cross, Gods law (the 10 commandments) are to be kept.

The Jewish sacrificial system was a forshadowing of the the one time and all sufficient sacrifice of Christ on the cross. The sinless, spotless Lamb of God.

Scripture is clear, animal sacrifice does not take away sin.

Types and shadows, fulfilled in Christ. As Jesus said, "the Scriptures point to Me."

keras · Nov 11, 2017

The Ten Commandments and the New Covenant
Exodus 20:3-17:

1/ You shall have no other gods before Me.
It is written: You shall worship the Lord your God and Him only you shall serve. Luke 4:8, Matthew 4:10, Rev. 14:7

2/ You must not make for yourself a carved image, a likeness of anything in heaven, on earth, or under the sea.
God is Spirit and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth. John 4:24, Acts 15:20, 1 Cor. 6:9, Ephesians 5:5, 1 Peter 4:3, 1 John 5:21, Rev. 2:14

3/ You shall not take the Name of the Lord your God in vain.
I say to you: do not swear at all…let your yes be yes and your no be no, for whatever is more than these is from the evil one. Matthew 5:34-37, 1 Tim. 6:1, James 2:7

4/ Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy.
The Sabbath [seventh day] was made for man, not man for the Sabbath, so the Son of Man is Lord even of the Sabbath. Mark 2:27-28, For Christians that seventh day is Sunday, as the first day of our week is Monday. Acts 20:7, 1 Cor. 16:2

5/ Honour your father and mother.
Children, obey your parents in the Lord, for this is right. Ephesians 6:1, Col 3:20

6/ You shall not murder.
I say to you, love your enemies, bless those who curse you, pray for those who abuse you, that you may be sons of your Father in heaven. Matthew 5:44-45, Matt. 5:21-26, Romans 13:9, 1 Tim. 1:9, 1 John 3:15

7/ You shall not commit adultery.
I say to you whoever even looks at another in lust has already committed adultery in their heart. Matthew 5:28, 1 Cor. 5:11, 1 Cor. 6:18, Galatians 5:19, Hebrews 13:4

8/ You shall not steal.
Neither thieves, the greedy, or drunkards and robbers will inherit the Kingdom. 1 Cor. 6:10, Romans 2:21, Mark 7:21, Ephesians 4:28

9/ You shall not bear false witness.
For by your words, you will be justified and by your words you will be condemned. Matthew 15:19, Ephesians 4:25, Col. 3:9

10/ You shall not covet your neighbours possessions.
Take heed and beware of covetousness, for one’s life does not consist of the things he possesses. Luke 12:15, Romans 7:7, Ephesians 5:3, 1 Tim. 6:10, Hebrews 13:5

Further New Testament scriptures:

John 1:17 The Law was given through Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.

Luke 16:16a The Law and the prophets were until John the Baptizer, now the good news of the Kingdom is preached...

Matthew 5:17 I have come not to abolish the Law, but to complete it.

Romans 6:15 Can we sin then because we are not under the Law? God forbid!

Galatians 5:14 The whole Law is fulfilled in this: You shall love your neighbour as yourself.

Are the Ten Commandments still in effect? In principal they still are, now incorporated into the New Covenant, for which Jesus is the mediator. Those Ten Commandments are restated and expanded under the New Covenant, we must obey them and do God’s will for us today. Matthew 5:20, 1 Peter 2:16

Kenny'sID · Nov 11, 2017

amariselle said:
Is "breaking the rules" not considered sinning?

Is "failing to take care of others" not sinning?

Read what you first replied too (what I saud) and what you accused me of very carefully.

amariselle said:
What "rules" are we supposed to keep?

I already mentioned the scripture of lists of rules. Do I need to post exacts? The commandments include many of them. Be happy to post them, but they've been posted so many times I guess I figure people knew what verses of rules I was referring to.

amariselle said:
How do we know if we've kept them well enough. What happens to us if we don't, if we mess up?

All I see there is common ploys to confuse the simple, but if you really need an answer just say so, it's all pretty elementary.

Oldmantook · Nov 11, 2017

DennisTate said:
Lukewarm...... backslidden saints..... are still saints.........
it is just that they are saints who do not have very much oil in their lamps.....and they are
NOT going through the doors that are open to them to preach and teach and inspire others.......

especially..... unbelievers.

Matthew 25:3 (NKJV)

Matthew 25:1

¶
“Then the kingdom of heaven shall be likened to ten virgins who took their lamps and went out to meet the bridegroom.

“Now five of them were wise, and five were foolish.

“Those who were foolish took their lamps and took no oil with them,

So per your view, these backslidden saints were not ready and missed out on the secret, invisible rapture event when Jesus stated that he would come as a thief. So instead these tribulation saints now have to go through the great tribulation and await Jesus at his second coming.
The problem though is that Jesus specifically stated when he will "come as a thief" in Rev 16:15-16.
Behold, I am coming as a thief. Blessed is he who watches, and keeps his garments, lest he walk naked and they see his shame.” And they gathered them together to the place called in Hebrew, Armageddon.
Here we see that Jesus himself links his coming as a thief with the battle of Armageddon which occurs after the tribulation and not before the tribulation as rapture advocates falsely teach. Therefore the "rapture" and the second coming are one and the same event - not two separate events. ALL the church age saints still living will be required to go through the great tribulation.

Winken · Nov 11, 2017

Kenny'sID said:
I believe God too when he tells me in several lists throughout the NT what will happen to people who break the rules, and live a life of unrepentant sin. I also believe Jesus and his warning of what happens to people who don't take care of others.

So, since what we both claim is actually biblical...now what?

Did you have to "do" something to "earn" your eternal life? Read Romans 4:5, Romans 10:4, 2 Corinthians 5:17, Ephesians 4:24, John 15:3.

Do we now look to the Law contained in the Hebrew Bible or the Ten Commandments in order to "obtain" or to "maintain" eternal life? Read Hebrews 8:7-13, Hebrews 10:1-4, Galatians 2:16, Galatians 3:10-12, Galatians 3:23-25, Colossians 2:14!! Glory!!

How complicated is the Gospel? Well..... become convicted, believe, confess --- Romans 10:8-13. The Holy Spirit Spiritually penetrates the fog of sin, peacefully convicting one of the urgent need for our Savior, resulting in confession and the unalterable assurance of eternal security in God's Presence: Heaven.

What is the operating principle? Grace. The Grace of God penetrates the fog. HE is the author and finisher of our Faith.

Hold your Bible in your hand. Confess Romans 10:8-13. Note that the word "will" is correctly interpreted as "shall." You SHALL be saved. Rejoice in Romans 8:1. Read John 5:24, then Ephesians 2:8-9. The joy continues! You are going to live forever! Complicated? No way!

How did sin occupy our life in the first place?

Read Romans 5:12, Romans 3:23. REJOICE that you are saved for eternity! Read Romans 6:23, Romans 5:8, Romans 5:17, John 3:16-17. WOW!!

Now you are the Righteousness of God in Christ Jesus, Philippians 3:8-9!!

What is written? 2 John 1:5, Hebrews 7:11–12, Romans 13:10, John 13:34. Are those a burden on your weary back? Are those something you have to fulfill in the flesh? Hello? Romans 6:5-6, Romans 6:18, Romans 6:22, Romans 7:6, Romans 8:2, Romans 8:3-4, Romans 10:11.

Who is alive and well in each of us? John 14:16-17, Romans 8:11.

Do you understand that you are equipped to walk in the Spirit 24/7/365? Galatians 5:16, Galatians 5:25. Are you ignoring your GIFT of Grace through Faith, as in Galatians 5:19-21? Is your mind, flesh, still in control? Romans 8:5.

Read Hebrews 9:13-14, Romans 5:5, 2 Corinthians 3:5-6.

Check out Ephesians 1:3-6.

Will all our readers now lay aside doubt, fear, confusion, guessing? Will they lay aside the totally unnecessary structure of "religion?"

Be mightily blessed in Him as you do!!

amariselle · Nov 11, 2017

Kenny'sID said:
Read what you first replied too (what I saud) and what you accused me of very carefully.

I already mentioned the scripture of lists of rules. Do I need to post exacts? The commandments include many of them. Be happy to post them, but they've been posted so many times I guess I figure people knew what verses of rules I was referring to.

All I see there is common ploys to confuse the simple, but if you really need an answer just say so, it's all pretty elementary.

I did read it, and I asked questions. I did not "accuse" you of anything. You wrote that you know what happens to those who "break the rules" and don't "care for others". Well, I think it more than obvious that if one therefore breaks such "rules", they are guilty of sin.

So, what are the consequences in your view that someone who "breaks the rules" and fails to "care for others" will face?

Kenny'sID · Nov 11, 2017

Winken said:
Did you have to "do" something to "earn" your eternal life? Read Romans 4:5, Romans 10:4, 2 Corinthians 5:17, Ephesians 4:24, John 15:3.

I'm not going to read all your scripture only to get out of it what you feel it means, or to find they contain the same old baseless arguments but I will answer this first comment.

I have but 3 words for you:

"Faith and works"

Any questions?

Kenny'sID · Nov 11, 2017

amariselle said:
I did read it, and I asked questions. I did not "accuse" you of anything. You wrote that you know what happens to those who "break the rules" and don't "care for others". Well, I think it more than obvious that if one therefore breaks such "rules", they are guilty of sin.

So, what are the consequences in your view that someone who "breaks the rules" and fails to "care for others" will face?

OK, If after I ask you to look at it once more you say you don't see what I mean, I'm going to go back and put this ime consuming thing together to explain everything that happened,

And I don't mind doing it at all, I just want to make sure you are paying close attention, the best you can and still don't get it so I don't do that just because you don't want to see what's there....let me know.

amariselle · Nov 11, 2017

Kenny'sID said:
OK, If after I ask you to look at it once more you say you don't see what I mean, I'm going to go back and put this ime consuming thing together to explain everything that happened,

And I don't mind doing it at all, I just want to make sure you are paying close attention, the best you can and still don't get it so I don't do that just because you don't want to see what's there....let me know.

It's alright. You don't need to go to the trouble.

My point was that salvation is not something we can or do earn, but, as Scripture says, by grace, through faith and not of ourselves.

As such, the Gospel is not a list of rules to keep. Of this I am firmly convinced and assured.

God bless.

Kenny'sID · Nov 11, 2017

amariselle said:
It's alright. You don't need to go to the trouble.

My point was that salvation is not something we can or do earn, but, as Scripture says, by grace, through faith and not of ourselves.

As such, the Gospel is not a list of rules to keep. Of this I am firmly convinced and assured.

God bless.

That's fine and I gather you got my basic point, so won't push it...besides both sides of this are splatted all over CF.

MyGivenNameIsKeith · Nov 11, 2017

It also says You also shall not add or take away from the words of the prophecy itself. It can be taken to mean that the prophecy itself explains itself. To add to it, even with other scriptures, can alter the portrayal of the message it contains. While the scriptures can show you how to decipher it, everything you need is contained within it, as it is a complete work.

Dr Bruce Atkinson · Nov 11, 2017

WailingWall said:
REVELATION 19 [7] Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the MARRIAGE OF THE LAMB is come, and his wife hath made herself ready. [8] And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of SAINTS.

Marriage of the Lamb to the Saints

DANIEL 7 [27] And the kingdom and dominion, and the greatness of THE KINGDOM UNDER THE WHOLE HEAVEN, SHALL BE GIVEN TO THE PEOPLE OF THE SAINTS OF THE MOST HIGH, whose kingdom is an everlasting kingdom, and all dominions shall serve and obey him.

The kingdom given to the Saints

1 CORINTHIANS 1 [2] Unto the CHURCH OF GOD WHICH IS AT CORINTH, to them that are sanctified in Christ Jesus, CALLED TO BE SAINTS, with all that in every place call upon the name of Jesus Christ our Lord, both theirs and ours:

Church of the Corinthians that are called to be Saints

ROMANS 1 [7] To all that be in Rome, beloved of God, CALLED TO BE SAINTS: Grace to you and peace from God our Father, and the Lord Jesus Christ.

Church of the Romans that are called to be Saints

EPHESIANS 1 [1] Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, TO THE SAINTS WHICH ARE AT EPHESUS, and to the faithful in Christ Jesus:

And again, the Ephesians are the Saints of God

COLOSSIANS 1 [1] Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, and Timotheus our brother, [2] TO THE SAINTS and faithful brethren in Christ WHICH ARE AT COLOSSE: Grace be unto you, and peace, from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.

The church of Colossians are the Saints

REVELATION 13 [3] And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast. [4] And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, WHO IS LIKE UNTO THE BEAST? WHO IS ABLE TO MAKE WAR WITH HIM? [5] And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months. [6] And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven. [7] And IT WAS GIVEN UNTO HIM TO MAKE WAR WITH THE SAINTS, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.

Looky looky! Here we find the beast making war against Gods Saints. If you believe the above scriptures that say the Saints belong to the various churhes you gotta know they have not been raptured as the Rapturist claim. They claim the church will not confront the beast at all. Dilly Dilly!

Schizophrenic post, mixing truth with pure silliness. Sorry I read it.

WailingWall · Nov 12, 2017

Dr Bruce Atkinson said:
Schizophrenic post, mixing truth with pure silliness. Sorry I read it.

Dilly Dilly

Brian Mcnamee · Nov 12, 2017

Hi your selection of scriptures supports your point but is not game over as you think. At the end of the tribulation there are very few people who have survived and of those who do Jesus will separate the sheep from the goats. I do agree that there is a 7 year tribulation and then 2nd coming before the millennium and weather there is a rapture pre, mid or post does not effect this ground. The verse that indicate support for a rapture scenario are based on the idea that Jesus comes with his saints. Jude quotes Enoch saying 4 Now Enoch, the seventh from Adam, prophesied about these men also, saying, “Behold, the Lord comes with ten thousands of His saints, 15 to execute judgment on all, to convict all who are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have committed in an ungodly way, and of all the harsh things which ungodly sinners have spoken against Him.”

In Zechariah 14 we see the 2nd coming of Jesus portrayed with very many specific items. Jerusalem is being overrun and the LORD comes with his saints and destroys the enemies and from that day on is king over all the earth.
1 Behold, the day of the LORD is coming,
And your spoil will be divided in your midst.
2 For I will gather all the nations to battle against Jerusalem;
The city shall be taken,
Then the LORD will go forth
And fight against those nations,
As He fights in the day of battle.
4 And in that day His feet will stand on the Mount of Olives,
Which faces Jerusalem on the east.
And the Mount of Olives shall be split in two,
From east to west,
Making a very large valley;..
Thus the LORD my God will come,
And all the saints with You
And in that day it shall be
That living waters shall flow from Jerusalem,
Half of them toward the eastern sea
And half of them toward the western sea;
In both summer and winter it shall occur.
9 And the LORD shall be King over all the earth.
In that day it shall be—
“The LORD is one,”[fn]
And His name one.
12 And this shall be the plague with which the LORD will strike all the people who fought against Jerusalem:
Their flesh shall dissolve while they stand on their feet,
Their eyes shall dissolve in their sockets,
And their tongues shall dissolve in their mouths.
6 And it shall come to pass that everyone who is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the Feast of Tabernacles. 17 And it shall be that whichever of the families of the earth do not come up to Jerusalem to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, on them there will be no rain. 18 If the family of Egypt will not come up and enter in, they shall have no rain; they shall receive the plague with which the LORD strikes the nations who do not come up to keep the Feast of Tabernacles.

So both Zech and Jude say the Lord is coming with His saints. In Rev 5 we see those in heaven singing this song.
“You are worthy to take the scroll,
And to open its seals;
For You were slain,
And have redeemed us to God by Your blood
Out of every tribe and tongue and people and nation,
10 And have made us[fn] kings[fn] and priests to our God;
And we[fn] shall reign on the earth.”
11 Then I looked, and I heard the voice of many angels around the throne, the living creatures, and the elders; and the number of them was ten thousand times ten thousand, and thousands of thousands, 12 saying with a loud voice:

Rev 20 also shows at the same time the beast is bound another group also claim to reign on earth with Jesus.
And I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment was committed to them. Then I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for their witness to Jesus and for the word of God, who had not worshiped the beast or his image, and had not received his mark on their foreheads or on their hands. And they lived and reigned with Christ for a thousand years.

Those who reign with Christ or as you quoted Dan 7 are given the kingdom and also sanctified are those who have Ressurection bodies and are truly sanctified no longer having the nature of Adam. In 1 Thess 4
But I do not want you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning those who have fallen asleep, lest you sorrow as others who have no hope. 14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so God will bring with Him those who sleep in Jesus. Those who sleep in Jesus are the ones who will be reigning with him and coming with him. This group includes those mentioned in the following verse.

5 For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are asleep. 16 For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. 17 Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord. 18 Therefore comfort one another with these words.

WailingWall · Nov 12, 2017

Brian Mcnamee said:
Hi your selection of scriptures supports your point but is not game over as you think. At the end of the tribulation there are very few people who have survived and of those who do Jesus will separate the sheep from the goats. I do agree that there is a 7 year tribulation and then 2nd coming before the millennium and weather there is a rapture pre, mid or post does not effect this ground. The verse that indicate support for a rapture scenario are based on the idea that Jesus comes with his saints. Jude quotes Enoch saying 4 Now Enoch, the seventh from Adam, prophesied about these men also, saying, “Behold, the Lord comes with ten thousands of His saints, 15 to execute judgment on all,

I agree that there will be a gathering of Gods people. After the gathering {in the twinkling of an eye} where are His Saints coming to?

DEUT.30 [3] That THEN THE LORD THY GOD WILL TURN THY CAPTIVITY, AND HAVE COMPASSION UPON THEE, AND WILL RETURN AND GATHER THEE FROM ALL THE NATIONS, WHITHER THE LORD THY GOD HATH SCATTERED THEE.[4] If any of thine be driven out unto the outmost parts of heaven, FROM THENCE WILL THE LORD THY GOD GATHER THEE, and from thence will he fetch thee:[5] AND THE LORD THY GOD WILL BRING THEE INTO THE LAND WHICH THY FATHERS POSSESSED, and thou shalt possess it; and he will do thee good, and multiply thee above thy fathers.

When the Lord gathers His Saints they both come to Israel. Not heaven as the rapturist claim

Oseas · Nov 12, 2017

WailingWall said:
REVELATION 19 [7] Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the MARRIAGE OF THE LAMB is come, and his wife hath made herself ready. [8] And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of SAINTS.

Marriage of the Lamb to the Saints

DANIEL 7 [27] And the kingdom and dominion, and the greatness of THE KINGDOM UNDER THE WHOLE HEAVEN, SHALL BE GIVEN TO THE PEOPLE OF THE SAINTS OF THE MOST HIGH, whose kingdom is an everlasting kingdom, and all dominions shall serve and obey him.

The kingdom given to the Saints

1 CORINTHIANS 1 [2] Unto the CHURCH OF GOD WHICH IS AT CORINTH, to them that are sanctified in Christ Jesus, CALLED TO BE SAINTS, with all that in every place call upon the name of Jesus Christ our Lord, both theirs and ours:

Church of the Corinthians that are called to be Saints

ROMANS 1 [7] To all that be in Rome, beloved of God, CALLED TO BE SAINTS: Grace to you and peace from God our Father, and the Lord Jesus Christ.

Church of the Romans that are called to be Saints

EPHESIANS 1 [1] Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, TO THE SAINTS WHICH ARE AT EPHESUS, and to the faithful in Christ Jesus:

And again, the Ephesians are the Saints of God

COLOSSIANS 1 [1] Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, and Timotheus our brother, [2] TO THE SAINTS and faithful brethren in Christ WHICH ARE AT COLOSSE: Grace be unto you, and peace, from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.

The church of Colossians are the Saints

REVELATION 13 [3] And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast. [4] And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, WHO IS LIKE UNTO THE BEAST? WHO IS ABLE TO MAKE WAR WITH HIM? [5] And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months. [6] And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven. [7] And IT WAS GIVEN UNTO HIM TO MAKE WAR WITH THE SAINTS, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.

Looky looky! Here we find the beast making war against Gods Saints. If you believe the above scriptures that say the Saints belong to the various churhes you gotta know they have not been raptured as the Rapturist claim. They claim the church will not confront the beast at all. Dilly Dilly!

You quoted Rev. 13:
[V.3] And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast.

This Beast of this time of Apocalypse, has seven heads. The angel of the Lord says or reveals unto us about these 7 heads. He says that these 7 heads represent two things:

Rev. 17:9&10: 9 And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth. 10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.

1 - We need to know which are these seven mountains or hills "on which the woman sits". Moreover we need to know who is this woman that sits on the seven mountains.
The point is that ONE of the seven heads was wounded to death, so once we come to decipher which are the seven heads, we need to identify which of the heads were wounded to death among the seven heads.

2- We need also to know who are the seven kings.
The mystery is that the revelation pointed the time in which would go to begin the fulfilment of this prophecy, as follow: 5 kings are fallen (these 5 exist no more in this point, they are died), one exists, and the other (the seventh and last king) is not yet come, and when he cometh, he must continue a short space. (42 months???) So, we need to identify who are them, inclusive the 5 dead kings.

[V.4] And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, WHO IS LIKE UNTO THE BEAST? WHO IS ABLE TO MAKE WAR WITH HIM?
As we can interpret, the dragon is more powerful that the Beast of 7 heads. He gave power unto the Beast and they (the world-v.3) worshipped the Beast saying: WHO IS LIKE UNTO THE BEAST? WHO IS ABLE TO MAKE WAR WITH HIM? Rev. 19:11 reveals unto us who is able to JUDGE and make WAR against this sataanic Beast.

[V.5] And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months. .<<<

On the other hand, he who is able to JUDGE and make WAR against the Beast and against the dragon in this present time of Apocalypse, as is written in Revelation 19:v.15, "out of his mouth goeth a SHARP SWORD (that is the Word of God), that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.

Rev. 19:19-21
19 And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army .(Compare this verse 19 with Rev. 16:13-15)
20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.
21 And the remnant were slain with the Sword of him that sat upon the horse, which Sword proceeded out of his mouth: and all the fowls were filled with their flesh.
Rev. 12:12 - 12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! (inhabiters of the sea=waters are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues as is written in Rev.17:v.15), for the Devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.

Rev. 11:15 & 18
15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.
18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the Earth

He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.

Truth Lover · Nov 12, 2017

I have but 3 words for you: "Faith and works" Any questions?[/QUOTE said:
Consider this:
2 Cor 5:6-10 "So we are always confident; even though we know that while we are at home in the body we are away from the Lord— 7 for we walk by faith, not by sight. 8 Yes, we do have confidence, and we would rather be away from the body and at home with the Lord. 9 So whether we are at home or away, we make it our aim to please him. 10 For all of us must appear before the judgment seat of Christ, so that each may receive recompense for what has been done in the body, whether good or evil."
Rev 14:13 "And I heard a voice from heaven saying, “Write this: Blessed are the dead who from now on die in the Lord.” “Yes,” says the Spirit, “they will rest from their labors, for their deeds follow them.”
It is important to not confuse the moral law, the Mosaic law (circumcision, dietary laws) and the law of love. As Galatians 3 clearly says, Christians are not to follow the Mosaic laws. Paul did not exempt us from the other two. We must follow the moral law and the command to love our neighbor as ourselves.

throughfiierytrial · Nov 12, 2017

WailingWall said:
REVELATION 19 [7] Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the MARRIAGE OF THE LAMB is come, and his wife hath made herself ready. [8] And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of SAINTS.

Marriage of the Lamb to the Saints

DANIEL 7 [27] And the kingdom and dominion, and the greatness of THE KINGDOM UNDER THE WHOLE HEAVEN, SHALL BE GIVEN TO THE PEOPLE OF THE SAINTS OF THE MOST HIGH, whose kingdom is an everlasting kingdom, and all dominions shall serve and obey him.

The kingdom given to the Saints

1 CORINTHIANS 1 [2] Unto the CHURCH OF GOD WHICH IS AT CORINTH, to them that are sanctified in Christ Jesus, CALLED TO BE SAINTS, with all that in every place call upon the name of Jesus Christ our Lord, both theirs and ours:

Church of the Corinthians that are called to be Saints

ROMANS 1 [7] To all that be in Rome, beloved of God, CALLED TO BE SAINTS: Grace to you and peace from God our Father, and the Lord Jesus Christ.

Church of the Romans that are called to be Saints

EPHESIANS 1 [1] Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, TO THE SAINTS WHICH ARE AT EPHESUS, and to the faithful in Christ Jesus:

And again, the Ephesians are the Saints of God

COLOSSIANS 1 [1] Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, and Timotheus our brother, [2] TO THE SAINTS and faithful brethren in Christ WHICH ARE AT COLOSSE: Grace be unto you, and peace, from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.

The church of Colossians are the Saints

REVELATION 13 [3] And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast. [4] And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, WHO IS LIKE UNTO THE BEAST? WHO IS ABLE TO MAKE WAR WITH HIM? [5] And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months. [6] And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven. [7] And IT WAS GIVEN UNTO HIM TO MAKE WAR WITH THE SAINTS, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.

Looky looky! Here we find the beast making war against Gods Saints. If you believe the above scriptures that say the Saints belong to the various churhes you gotta know they have not been raptured as the Rapturist claim. They claim the church will not confront the beast at all. Dilly Dilly!

There are warnings of our battles with Satan sprinkled all over the NT and here are just two...
Ephesians 6:12-13:
For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms. 13 Therefore put on the full armor of God, so that when the day of evil comes, you may be able to stand your ground, and after you have done everything, to stand.
I Peter 5:8-9:
Be alert and of sober mind. Your enemy the devil prowls around like a roaring lion looking for someone to devour. 9 Resist him, standing firm in the faith, because you know that the family of believers throughout the world is undergoing the same kind of sufferings.

There are many verses/examples...this life is the great tribulation.

Servant232 · Nov 12, 2017

keras said:
The Ten Commandments and the New

4/ Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy.
The Sabbath [seventh day] was made for man, not man for the Sabbath, so the Son of Man is Lord even of the Sabbath. Mark 2:27-28, For Christians that seventh day is Sunday, as the first day of our week is Monday. Acts 20:7, 1 Cor. 16:2

The word day is not in the greek of

Acts 20:7

de en mia Sabbaton = Sabbath

And upon first Sabbath when

CJB
On Motza’ei-Shabbat, when we were gathered to break bread

JUB
And the first of the sabbaths,

1 Cor 16:2

Kata mia Sabbaton

After first Sabbath

Motza'ei Shabbat in the Hebrew culture refers to the time in the evening immediately following Shabbat,

They collected offerings after the sabbath, since handling money, buying and selling on the Sabbath is a no no.

59 times the KJV translates Sabbaton correctly as Sabbath, 9 times as week

Hebrews 4:9

There remains therefore a Sabbatismos for the people of God

Sabbatismos = Keeping Sabbath

Is does not get clearer than this...

There is not ONE single verse that says the Sabbath was changed to the first day of the week, nor does God do anything without first revealing it, where are the prophesies that the Sabbath would change days? 0

Act 18:4

And he reasoned in the synagogue every Sabbath, and persuaded the Jews and the Greeks.

The people of God keep the Sabbath, the people of the pope keep Sunday, the RCC admits to changing the day, they claimed the right to do so by their own authority.

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