Major1
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I am afraid you are incorrect. Matthew 22:30 absolutely tells us that Angels are ASEXUAL and do not procreate.
Opinion. The text says “the angels of God in heaven” do not marry. It does not address fallen angels and what they are capable of. It only says angels of God in heaven do no. You have stated your opinion on what you believe the scripture means not what it actually says.
Angels and humans are separate species. Separate species can not procreate. Angels are PURE SPIRIT and don't have the ability to procreate. Therefore, there are no humans running around with angel DNA in them.
More opinion and speculation. You really don’t know what fallen angels are capable of. You have no text other than the one above to base that on and that is your opinion. Jude 6a says: And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation. Can you prove from scripture that does don’t involve leaving the heavenly spiritual realm and entering the carnal, natural realm. Angels of God can look just like men and can appear in physical form so we cannot tell the difference.
Then the fact that in-fallen Angels are holy. They do not sin so they don't have sex outside of marriage.
Not sure what you mean here fallen angels are not holy and yes they did sin. You really should address what that sin was that only some of them committed that got them bound in chains.
Marriage is for procreation. If there is procreation, then it would be within marriage.
Humans can procreate outside of marriage, but ayway Genesis 6:3 says the “sons of God” took wives.
Angels do not marry and so do not have sex.
Opinion, if we are talking angels of God I agree if we are talking fallen angels I disagree.
They have no sexual organs.
Opinion, I doubt you have ever seen an angel undressed.
They do not have babies because God alone made angels. Angels do not have bodies to have sex with. They are pure spirit and were created by God. They were not created with the ability to procreate since God made all the angels Himself.
Angels of God do not marry or procreate scripture is clear but to apply your speculation of the anatomy of angels to fallen angels who really could care less about Gods laws is pure speculation.
No disrespect to you my dear friend, but that is one of the funniest things I have ever heard.
"Debunked HERE". You mean this is a website that is so important and verifiable that it can be said that it is a home for truth and doctrine???????
Glad you got a laugh that is good medicine. This is a debate forum where I and others state what we believe and from scripture make an argument to support that view. You are free to disagree , but bold statements without any scriptural backing are not really debate or evidence what you claim is true. Several of those are pointed out above.
I stand correct. This is the funniest thing I have heard today.
So now not only is this web site the bastion of Bible truth, now Irenaeus is?????
Again glad I could amuse you. You miss the point altogether. I made no allusions to say Irenaeus is on par with scripture, because he is not. Truth is I would put more stock in what he believed on this topic being taught by a disciple of the apostle John than I would most that are taught in seminaries today. It is relevant to know what early church fathers believed about the scriptures.
We have had this problem before. You tend to list a whole series of comments which do not allow for proper responces to each one. AGAIN, if you would like to shorten your post and deal with one or two elements I would be glad to respond to you.
I will however speak to your first two opinions.
#1.
You said............
Opinion. The text says “the angels of God in heaven” do not marry. It does not address fallen angels and what they are capable of. It only says angels of God in heaven do no. You have stated your opinion on what you believe the scripture means not what it actually says
If you choose to believe that then wonderful. I am glad that you have done some study on this. I however cannot agree with you with all due respect to you.
Jesus specifically said in Matt. 22:30 ......“As the angels of God in heaven”. You see, CONTEXTUALLY speaking, the Sadducees of that day did not believe in angels, so here Jesus was exposing another of their false beliefs. Angels are deathless creatures who do not propagate and therefore have no need for marriage. “In the resurrection,” the saints will have those same characteristics.
Jesus then explained that “in the resurrection” men do not “marry” but are asexual “as the angels.” The infantile illustration of the Sadducees shows that they had no confidence in the power of a glorious resurrection to a new life. They thought that a resurrection would be the some kind of life as on earth.
Jesus teaches neither that glorified men become angels, nor that all earthly family relationships are lost in heaven. All resurrected believers will be in a state of perfect glorification and fellowship but neither of those positions have physical sexual relations as its root.
Angels are ministering spirits, not flesh and blood beings like here on this earth. I am not saying we shall not have a body. We shall have a heavenly body which changed in the twinkling of an eye.
Angels are spirit beings and do not marry. Marriage is an earthly relationship and has no part in heaven. It is a function of the earth to populate the earth. Without death being in the picture, there is no need for birth. Mankind will be an eternal being in heaven.
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You then said.............
More opinion and speculation. You really don’t know what fallen angels are capable of. You have no text other than the one above to base that on and that is your opinion. Jude 6a says: And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation. Can you prove from scripture that does don’t involve leaving the heavenly spiritual realm and entering the carnal, natural realm. Angels of God can look just like men and can appear in physical form so we cannot tell the difference.
No, it is not my opinion at all. It is however the teaching of the Word of God my brother.
In Luke 24:37–43 the God-Man, the Lord Jesus Christ said...............
But they were startled and frightened and thought that they were seeing a spirit. And He said to them, “Why are you troubled, and why do doubts arise in your hearts? See My hands and My feet, that it is I Myself; touch Me and see, for a spirit does not have flesh and bones as you see that I have.” And when He had said this, He showed them His hands and His feet. While they still could not believe it because of their joy and amazement, He said to them, “Have you anything here to eat?” They gave Him a piece of a broiled fish; and He took it and ate it before them.
Your argument against this angelic view in Matt. 22:30 was that angels didn’t marry in heaven according to Jesus. This has been responded to many times and it is your position that this is referring to angels in heaven, not fallen angels.
So, the option then is left open that fallen angels may very well mate with humans even though Jesus has said that they are not flesh and bone but are spirits. However, a new problem now arises for YOU and those who accept that kind of thinking.
Moses points out that the "sons of God" (Human line from Seth) took wives (ishshah wife/women) in Genesis 6:2. When we actually do the study and stay away from internet web sites we find that never once is there found a verse in the Bible where wife, wives, husband, husbands, or marriage was anything other than between a human male and female. If these were marriages between fallen angels and women, then it opens up the possibility of marriages that are not limited to man and woman, when the Bible is clear on this subject.
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