Hi, DBM. The verses I quoted before on "falling from salvation" and "returning to salvation" are not the only ones in the Bible.
In Hebrews6:4 the word for "impossible" is "adunatos"--- Definition:
1.without strength, impotent, powerless, weakly, disabled
2.unable to be done, impossible
So that the word "impossible" is conveyed in the meaning, "without strength, powerless-to-be-done". The key to this passage is the word, "SINCE". The "impossibility" is
SINCE (
because) they "crucify to themselves Christ anew, and hold Him up to contempt (in their own eyes)". The tense of "falling away" is active, 2nd aorist. It has been translated past tense, "have fallen away", but the Greek is closer to "while they are falling away". And in context it does not say "impossible to restore to salvation", it says "impossible to restore to repentance". Acknowledging of course that repentance is necessary for salvation, nevertheless the "repentance" aspect is directed "person-to-God", NOT "God-to-person". It very much says that they are
CHOOSING not to repent, because of their
CONTEMPTUOUS unbelief.
You do not accept that "branch not abiding in Me is cut off and cast into the fire", refers to Hell? I don't know how I can convince you. But I think I can answer the Romans passage ("nothing will separate us from His love") with another Romans passage: "But God showed His love for us, in that
while we were yet sinners Christ died for us". 5:8 His love for us existed before we were saved, and it will persist if we then reject our salvation. The Psalms passage you quoted is identical with Heb13:5, which also reflects in passages like "2Tim2:13". Because God did not
unilaterally accomplish our salvations apart from us, His promise to never forsake us does not transfer to a promise of unforsakable salvation. He will never leave us, He will never forsake us---but Scripture is replete with recounts about US forsaking HIM.
if whilst we were still his enemies Christ died for us, why would he forsake us if we turn against him for a time once we are saved? The bible does not say anywhere that we can LOSE our salvation-our relationship with God- YES , because it takes two to have a relationship, if one does not want to know, then that relationship is broken- but all relationships can be restored and God is never the one who isn't willing to restore it- it is us who are unfaithful to him! God is always faithful to us!
I've quoted clear verses that speak of "falling from salvation". I could give you lots more (like Gal5:4 & 2Pet2:20-21), but I do not think they would be accepted by strong OSAS proponents. That verse in 2Tim2:13 that assures us of God's faithfulness, is immediately preceded by: "If we endure, we shall reign with Him. But if we deny Him, He will also deny us (and we will not reign with Him)."
Those who hold to "carnal Christianity" contend that a "saved-relationship APART from fellowship" is possible. You can be "backslidden-but-still-saved". If my contention that
salvation IS fellowship with/in/through Jesus (1Jn1:6), then it is not possible to "backslide, return to sin, deny Jesus,
AND still be saved".
If we are not in fellowship with Jesus,
we are not saved.
Salvation is "Christ IN us" (Gal2:20), which is "BORN AGAIN", which is "ABIDING IN CHRIST", which is "KEEPING OURSELVES IN THE LOVE OF GOD", which is "DILIGENCE TO MAKE CERTAIN OF OUR CALLING AND ELECTION".