And the Dems Wonder Why People Think They are Racist

KarateCowboy · Feb 21, 2014

JoyJuice said:
Read it again:

""Indeed, DOJ investigations, which consider quantitative data as part of a wide array of evidence, have revealed racial discrimination in the administration of student discipline. For example, in our investigations we have found cases where African-American students were disciplined more harshly and more frequently because of their race than similarly situated white students. In short, racial discrimination in school discipline is a real problem."

Oh, I agree that racism is a problem. It happens among people and even among people in schools. However, our President, his henchmen, and their party believe the solution to one form of bigotry is to add their own bigotry to the mix. Your second quote corroborates that:

...and this:

"A middle school has a zero tolerance ess policy. Students who are more than five minutes tardy to class are always referred to the ls office at a particular school, where they are required to remain for the rest of the class period regardless of their reason for being tardy. The school also imposes an automatic one-day suspension when a student is recorded as being tardy five times in the same semester. Additional tardiness results in longer suspensions and a meeting with a truancy officer.

The evidence shows Asian-American students are disproportionately losing instruction time as a result of both office referrals and suspensions for repeated tardiness."

Notice that an indiscriminate policy is cited? If minorities are disproportionately late, or whatever, it's not my fault or the rule's fault. It's their fault; I can't wave my Magic White Guy Wand and make them punctual. The administrations idea to solve the problem with racist bigotry is not a good idea. On the contrary, it's racist bigotry.

JoyJuice · Feb 21, 2014

KarateCowboy said:
Oh, I agree that racism is a problem. It happens among people and even among people in schools. However, our President, his henchmen, and their party believe the solution to one form of bigotry is to add their own bigotry to the mix.

Then you are agreeing the very department you rail against. They try to address the problem you yourself recognize with the letter, not mandate.

Notice that an indiscriminate policy is cited? If minorities are disproportionately late, or whatever, it's not my fault or the rule's fault. It's their fault; I can't wave my Magic White Guy Wand and make them punctual. The administrations idea to solve the problem with racist bigotry is not a good idea. On the contrary, it's racist bigotry

Read it again, they are talking about a zero tolerance for being late, and that policy would not be racially discriminatory which what is one of the facets of racism.

Your claim of this being racist is pretty absurd, but like I said you seem to be one of those I noted who think mentioning racism is racist.

Maynard Keenan · Feb 21, 2014

Maybe I was overestimating OP in my accusation of being deliberately dishonest. Perhaps there was simply a negligent lack of reading comprehension in a reflexive jerk to racial resentment.

USincognito · Feb 22, 2014

Maynard Keenan said:
Republicans are called racist because of near-constant efforts to stir up white anger and resentment through dishonest tactics.

KarateCowboy said:

Well, none of that here. So, please post relevant contributions so as not to derail the thread.

Click to expand...

I guess this means it's only an unaffilliated Conservative doing so then?

KarateCowboy said:
Race-based punishment. I've said it many times, and I'm sure I'll say it many more: They're not anti-racism, just anti-white.

KarateCowboy said:
But then, racial profiling is officially sanctioned as part of the Democratic party's platform when they advocate 'affirmative action', which is a dog whistle for leukophobia.

NightHawkeye · Feb 22, 2014

Maynard Keenan said:
Maybe I was overestimating OP in my accusation of being deliberately dishonest.

From such small insights can come meaningful reflection and deliberation.

Maynard Keenan said:
Perhaps there was simply a negligent lack of reading comprehension in a reflexive jerk to racial resentment.

The question one should always ask is whether the "reflexive jerk" is external or intrinsic ... the latter of course being a matter of projection. :wave:

AirPo · Feb 22, 2014

NightHawkeye said:
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The question one should always ask is whether the "reflexive jerk" is external or intrinsic ... the latter of course being a matter of projection.

by the OP.

JoyJuice · Feb 22, 2014

As noted this thread is one big Epic Fail.

It is in reponse to my "And the GOP wonders why people think they are racist" thread where I show, and just one of many cases, where racist emails freely float through a GOP Governor's staff, componded with the GOP nominee for Tex Govenor puts Ted Nugent front and center.

In response to that this OP puts up a DOJ letter to schools to approach racial disparity in punishment (which the OP agrees occurs) and the removal of zero tolerance policies that would effect ALL races.

The big thing is rather than try to address an issue GOP poltical pundits, past GOP officials, and current GOP officials state needed to be approached through the need of an minority outreach to address that issue, the supporters like the OP bring point to this thread as a comparator.

...go figure.

muslimsoldier4life · Feb 22, 2014

So if two black kids, three hispanic kids and one white kid is late, and the school only punishes all six of them, is it racist in nature?

Ishraqiyun · Feb 22, 2014

So if two black kids, three hispanic kids and one white kid is late, and the school only punishes all six of them, is it racist in nature?

Probably not. That doesn't necessarily imply that a person who perceived it as racist would themselves be racist. I'm not sure if people are even calling it racist in the first place though. They are just noting that African American students tend to get punished more often (disproportionately) under those rules and are calling for it to be removed To pretend that this implies that the people calling for a change are racist doesn't make a lot of sense to me. I wonder if this means the White people who want it repealed hate White people too? I tend to think anti-white hatred really doesn't enter in to the issue on most peoples part. It's just a right wing persecution complex thing.

Funny how the same right wingers that complain about overuse of the "race card" themselves manufacture absurd stories about White people being oppressed by liberal supposed "racists". This is right up there with the most absurd concoction of Al Sharpton. Only difference is that at least African Americans have been targeted on the basis of race in this country and have a reason to be overly suspicious. White people don't. We really don't have it that bad as a race here. Historically we have been doing rather well in comparison to African Americans on that front.

SolomonVII · Feb 22, 2014

KarateCowboy said:
Republicans are called racist because of Democratic racism?

Ding! Ding! Ding! You nailed it!!!

This is exactly how the race card is played in America today.

loveofourlord · Feb 22, 2014

muslimsoldier4life said:
So if two black kids, three hispanic kids and one white kid is late, and the school only punishes all six of them, is it racist in nature?

Maybe I'm wrong, but what it seems to be saying is that, 5 white kids were late, 3 black, and three hispanic, only 2 of the white kids were punnished for 1 hour each, 2 of the hispanics were punished for 2 hours each, and then all 3 black kids get punished for 4 hours each or such.

The wording seems to imply that all things being equal, the punishments and frequency tend to be leaning more towards minorities. Look at drug problems in law to give a example, majority of durg users are white, yet proportionally it's magnitudes more blacks being arrested then whites. In that situation, more blacks being arrested is racism, or something simular. As it would be here if thats the case.

KarateCowboy · Feb 23, 2014

USincognito said:
I guess this means it's only an unaffilliated Conservative doing so then?

Unaffiliated, and moderately moderate. Not conservative.

Jeffwhosoever · Feb 23, 2014

SolomonVII said:
Ding! Ding! Ding! You nailed it!!!

This is exactly how the race card is played in America today.

Yeah, you got that right.

jgarden · Feb 24, 2014

And the Dems Wonder Why People Think They are Racist

The point that is being made was poorly articulated BUT it does address an underlying problem.

I taught in several inner-city schools where some parents, for a variety of reasons, didn't get up with their children in the morning nor ensure that they came properly fed.

Before one gets too judgemental, many are young single parents, often trapped in a "vicious circle" of mental illness, substance abuse, low self-esteem, spousal abuse, few job skills, work nights,etc.

Neither they nor their children are 'bad people," but its counterproductive to impose a set of standards that they can never achieve.

Sometimes its far better to just congratulate the child on getting to school (late or not), and then offer them something nutritious to eat.

Jeffwhosoever · Feb 24, 2014

jgarden said:
And the Dems Wonder Why People Think They are Racist

The point that is being made was poorly articulated BUT it does address an underlying problem.

I taught in several inner-city schools where some parents, for a variety of reasons, didn't get up with their children in the morning nor ensure that they came properly fed.

Before one gets too judgemental, many are young single parents, often trapped in a "vicious circle" of mental illness, substance abuse, low self-esteem, spousal abuse, few job skills, work nights,etc.

Neither they nor their children are 'bad people," but its counterproductive to impose a set of standards that they can never achieve.

Sometimes its far better to just congratulate the child on getting to school (late or not), and then offer them something nutritious to eat.

You have the problem right - young SINGLE parents. There should be no such thing, or be the rare exception. But we have permitted destruction of the modern family unit, and that is the problem. And feeding junior a nutritious breakfast is NOT the solution.

JoyJuice · Feb 24, 2014

KarateCowboy said:
Republicans are called racist because of Democratic racism?

SolomonVII said:
Ding! Ding! Ding! You nailed it!!!

This is exactly how the race card is played in America today.

Jeffwhosoever said:
Yeah, you got that right.

Let me help you guys out since all of you seem to be holding this biziarre understanding above.

I noted how racist emails float freely through GOP Government staffs. Just to drive it home this is from, and God rest his soul, this is from Lee Atwater GOP strategist for Nixon and the first Bush. He was behind the Southern Strategy where the idea was to use Southern racist overtones to their advantage. Here he explain the logic behind that strategy:

"You start out in 1954 by saying, N-word, N-word, N-word. By 1968 you cant say N-wordthat hurts you, backfires. So you say stuff like, uh, forced busing, states rights, and all that stuff, and youre getting so abstract. Now, youre talking about cutting taxes, and all these things youre talking about are totally economic things and a byproduct of them is, blacks get hurt worse than whites. We want to cut this, is much more abstract than even the busing thing, uh, and a hell of a lot more abstract than N-word, N-word.

Once again, you guys can come with these false analogies and non-sequintor to convince yourselves, and trust me, that is the only people you are convincing, specially since the GOP will admit they haven't had the best race relations track record and thus the imploring to have minority outreach programs. Instead we see more racist emails.

Thanks for the chuckle, but reality is a mutha.

IanCG · Feb 24, 2014

Jeffwhosoever said:
But we have permitted destruction of the modern family unit, and that is the problem.

Yeah, the problem is always more rights and permissions. We should do away with those immediately. :doh:

KarateCowboy · Feb 24, 2014

JoyJuice said:
Let me help you guys out since all of you seem to be holding this biziarre understanding above.

I noted how racist emails float freely through GOP Government staffs. Just to drive it home this is from, and God rest his soul, this is from Lee Atwater GOP strategist for Nixon and the first Bush. He was behind the Southern Strategy where the idea was to use Southern racist overtones to their advantage. Here he explain the logic behind that strategy:

"You start out in 1954 by saying, “N-word, N-word, N-word.” By 1968 you can’t say “N-word”—that hurts you, backfires. So you say stuff like, uh, forced busing, states’ rights, and all that stuff, and you’re getting so abstract. Now, you’re talking about cutting taxes, and all these things you’re talking about are totally economic things and a byproduct of them is, blacks get hurt worse than whites.… “We want to cut this,” is much more abstract than even the busing thing, uh, and a hell of a lot more abstract than “N-word, N-word.”

Once again, you guys can come with these false analogies and non-sequintor to convince yourselves, and trust me, that is the only people you are convincing, specially since the GOP will admit they haven't had the best race relations track record and thus the imploring to have minority outreach programs. Instead we see more racist emails.

Thanks for the chuckle, but reality is a mutha.

The racism of a guy dead a quarter of a century doesn't magically remove an official platform of bigotry. It is an official, mainstream part of the Democratic party, and actively encouraged from the President down to community organizers and 'progressive' teachers. It's like "Hey. We love murder, but, uh, Cain killed Abel, so everybody ignore it!"

JoyJuice · Feb 24, 2014

KarateCowboy said:
The racism of a guy dead a quarter of a century doesn't magically remove an official platform of bigotry. It is an official, mainstream part of the Democratic party, and actively encouraged from the President down to community organizers and 'progressive' teachers. It's like "Hey. We love murder, but, uh, Cain killed Abel, so everybody ignore it!"

Great, so when others point to southern Dems, and just like southern Reps, who from some 60 years voted against civil rights, you are now saying they have no argument.

I mean, which is it?

The rest of what you said is pure nonsense.

stamperben · Feb 24, 2014

KarateCowboy said:
The racism of a guy dead a quarter of a century doesn't magically remove an official platform of bigotry. It is an official, mainstream part of the Democratic party, and actively encouraged from the President down to community organizers and 'progressive' teachers. It's like "Hey. We love murder, but, uh, Cain killed Abel, so everybody ignore it!"

Bizarre...

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