mellymell
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Originally posted by Apologist
...we are not sinners in the same manner as we were before Christ, but we still are sinners. We are only made righteous by Christ's righteousness, a righteousness that is a foreign righteousness and not of ourselves.
That is why I posted in an earlier post what Martin Luther once said and I agree, "we are but snow covered dung."
I think the whole debate is a matter of semantics.
We are righteous 'positionally' but we are still sinners 'practically.'
Before we were saved we were sinners both positionally AND practically.
That is the difference.
But, if Jesus' righteousness wasn't enough to permeate to the "practical" man, what good does the positional change do? God said that He was not interested in the "practical" man, the outward man, but in the heart.... The state of our heart is not a sinner, but has been declared righteous because of and through Christ. But, we aren't snow covered dung. Jesus didn't just cover us with His blood, He CHANGED us with His blood. When God cleanes us, He doesn't just COVER UP the stain, but He washes it away. Therefore, I'm not dung. He's SCRAPED THE DUNG AWAY.
Again "If any man BE IN CHRIST, he is a new creature. Old things ARE PASSED AWAY, and behold, all things are BECOME NEW."
It's nice to have such an humble heart as you guys do, but that doesn't mean to call a sinner what God has cleansed. He calls us a HOLY NATION... How can sinners be holy???? Unless you don't understand holiness, you'd agree that sinners CANNOT be holy. But, because we aren't sinners, but are the righteousness of God through Christ, not covered but changed, we can be holy.
Don't call common what God has cleansed. To say we're still sinners is to call us common, just like every other man. No, I'm a CHRISTIAN (if you'd prefer not to call yourself a saint) who USED to be a sinner, and from time to time I still sin, but that nature is now foreign to me... And the deeper in Christ I go, the more foreign to me it becomes. And although sin will always be present with me as long as I'm in this body, I know that through Christ, I can do all things. So, where I may not get perfect, I'm getting BETTER. No longer a sinner, but now saved by grace, changed. It's not a haughty opinion of myself because of myself I am and can do nothing. It's because of God... But, BECAUSE OF GOD, I am no longer considered a sinner...
No longer a slave to sin, but a child of servant of God. What else do you think Paul was referring to in Romans, when he spoke so much about no longer being slaves to sin? That means that I'm no longer a sinner, but am now a slave to righteousness. I don't SERVE sin any longer. Although I may commit one, I'm not a servant to it, hence I ain't a sinner.
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