Possible Mystery Babylon Indentifier
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Oh boy! It looks like I'm being accused of something I didn't do. Thanks, Garry, for stepping in and setting the record straight and pointing out the error. 
Having pondered Zech 1 & 2 a bit further, I'm wondering if the four "craftsmen" that "terrify and put down" the 4 horns are actually the four judgments of God mentioned earlier in Zech 1 (also mentioned in Zech 6 & Ezek 14 and are the first four seals of Rev 6).
The wars, famines, plagues, and pestilences sure have wreaked havoc in the "Roman empire" over the past 1900 years and are foretold to continue until the sun/moon darken.
No matter what, it sure is interesting...
Having pondered Zech 1 & 2 a bit further, I'm wondering if the four "craftsmen" that "terrify and put down" the 4 horns are actually the four judgments of God mentioned earlier in Zech 1 (also mentioned in Zech 6 & Ezek 14 and are the first four seals of Rev 6).
The wars, famines, plagues, and pestilences sure have wreaked havoc in the "Roman empire" over the past 1900 years and are foretold to continue until the sun/moon darken.
No matter what, it sure is interesting...
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A horn comes with maturity and represents mature power. One thing the 4 "craftsmen" teach those that complain about a certain few hogging all the money and land and how they abuse the rest of us is that instead of socialistic redistribution of wealth, if people will acquire job skills, inotherwords, become skilled craftsmen, they will fulfill the blessing upon the meek, naturally inheriting the earth, though it may take several generations.
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(You may feel differently about Europe if you go and read "Last Days Overview.") I'm going to be very very brief. This is because it is better explained, though a quick read, at where I learned it. Here's the link:
http://www.christianmedianetwork.com/lastdays.html
Daniel 2 has the image with the head of gold vision. I believe those kingdoms came and went and that part of the prophecy was fulfilled by Jesus in His coming to be crucified and raised from the dead 2,000 years ago. He was, "The stone cut out without hands which smote the image upon his feet..." which was the Roman Empire (Dan 2:34,) and this stone, "...became a great mountain, and filled the whole earth." (Dan 2:35) We're still experiencing this mountain filling up the whole earth, with some setbacks the last couple of hundred of years.
An angel tells Daniel that "these great beasts which are four are four kings which shall rise out of the earth." Racial dispensationalism makes the 4 beasts of Daniel 7 to be a parallel of the 4 kingdoms referred to in the image of Daniel 2. The decisive thing is the placement of Israel in these two sets of kingdoms. The image had to do with the destruction of Israel and the 4 beasts with it's restoration.
The 1st beast was a like a lion that had the wings of an eagle (United Kingdom the 2nd beast was a bear described as having "three ribs in the mouth of it" (Soviet Union and the 3rd beast was a leopard or panther with 4 heads (Hitler's Germany) and the fourth beast was described as "...dreadful and terrible, and strong exceedingly; and it had great iron teeth...and it had ten horns.".
Between Hitler's death in 1945 and the formation of the state of Israel in 1948 is when the fourth beast would have to be born to keep true to the parallels with the image with the head of gold. The United Nations is the only posibility. It takes a while for it to mature, which is part of what the 10 horns signify. Horns also represent power. This is not brought out by the author James Lloyd; but, I think the horns may signify members states having nuclear weapons, the supreme "brute force" possessed by nations today.
These two visions are most significant because they pertain to the manifestation of the Messiah, Jesus Christ, and the salvation history of the entire human race.
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This doesn't begin to touch the identification of Babylon yet; but, when you're looking faithfully in the wrong place because of the misdirection from the popular false teachers of prophecy, unless you find some way to suspend commitment to many of the ideas repeated over and over around you, how will you understand the purposes of God as He realizes them in this world?
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(You may feel differently about Europe if you go and read "Last Days Overview.") I'm going to be very very brief. This is because it is better explained, though a quick read, at where I learned it. Here's the link:
http://www.christianmedianetwork.com/lastdays.html
Daniel 2 has the image with the head of gold vision. I believe those kingdoms came and went and that part of the prophecy was fulfilled by Jesus in His coming to be crucified and raised from the dead 2,000 years ago. He was, "The stone cut out without hands which smote the image upon his feet..." which was the Roman Empire (Dan 2:34,) and this stone, "...became a great mountain, and filled the whole earth." (Dan 2:35) We're still experiencing this mountain filling up the whole earth, with some setbacks the last couple of hundred of years.
An angel tells Daniel that "these great beasts which are four are four kings which shall rise out of the earth." Racial dispensationalism makes the 4 beasts of Daniel 7 to be a parallel of the 4 kingdoms referred to in the image of Daniel 2. The decisive thing is the placement of Israel in these two sets of kingdoms. The image had to do with the destruction of Israel and the 4 beasts with it's restoration.
The 1st beast was a like a lion that had the wings of an eagle (United Kingdom the 2nd beast was a bear described as having "three ribs in the mouth of it" (Soviet Union and the 3rd beast was a leopard or panther with 4 heads (Hitler's Germany) and the fourth beast was described as "...dreadful and terrible, and strong exceedingly; and it had great iron teeth...and it had ten horns.".
Between Hitler's death in 1945 and the formation of the state of Israel in 1948 is when the fourth beast would have to be born to keep true to the parallels with the image with the head of gold. The United Nations is the only posibility. It takes a while for it to mature, which is part of what the 10 horns signify. Horns also represent power. This is not brought out by the author James Lloyd; but, I think the horns may signify members states having nuclear weapons, the supreme "brute force" possessed by nations today.
These two visions are most significant because they pertain to the manifestation of the Messiah, Jesus Christ, and the salvation history of the entire human race.
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This doesn't begin to touch the identification of Babylon yet; but, when you're looking faithfully in the wrong place because of the misdirection from the popular false teachers of prophecy, unless you find some way to suspend commitment to many of the ideas repeated over and over around you, how will you understand the purposes of God as He realizes them in this world?
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Zechariah describes the "four horns" as those who scattered Judah and Jerusalem:
Zec 1:18 Then lifted I up mine eyes, and saw, and behold four horns. Zec 1:19 And I said unto the angel that talked with me, What [be] these? And he answered me, These [are] the horns which have scattered Judah, Israel, and Jerusalem. Zec 1:20 And the LORD shewed me four carpenters. Zec 1:21 Then said I, What come these to do? And he spake, saying, These [are] the horns which have scattered Judah, so that no man did lift up his head: but these are come to fray them, to cast out the horns of the Gentiles, which lifted up [their] horn over the land of Judah to scatter it.
Hmmm....four horns of the gentiles which scattered Judah, Israel and Jerusalem. Who scattered Judah, Israel and Jerusalem? Assyria, Babylon, Rome?...or is it talking about just Rome?
Who are the four carpenters that "come to fray" the four horns?
It appears to be yet future.
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I found this interesting. This form of the greek word is used only 2 times and one reason I highly recommend an interlinear for Revelation and[and especially for Daniel!!]. The Texts are inspired, translations are not.
I parsed the greek words but don't have time to study on this and perhaps someone that knows the greek can help out.
http://www.scripture4all.org/
Ephesians 2:22 in whom also ye are being-together-builded/sun-oik-odomeisqe <4925 into a Habitation/kat-oikh-thrion <2732> of the God in Spirit.
Reve 18:2 and he cries in a strong voice [*great], saying, "she-falls, she-falls, Babylon the great.
And She-became a Habitation/kat-oikh-thrion <2732> of demons, and a prison of every Spirit unclean, and a prison of every bird unclean and hated".
Matt 7:27 And descended the rains and the streams and blow the winds and they toward-strike the House/oikia <3614>, that, and She falls/epesen <4098> (5627) and was the fall of Her Great.
I parsed the greek words but don't have time to study on this and perhaps someone that knows the greek can help out.
http://www.scripture4all.org/
Ephesians 2:22 in whom also ye are being-together-builded/sun-oik-odomeisqe <4925 into a Habitation/kat-oikh-thrion <2732> of the God in Spirit.
Reve 18:2 and he cries in a strong voice [*great], saying, "she-falls, she-falls, Babylon the great.
And She-became a Habitation/kat-oikh-thrion <2732> of demons, and a prison of every Spirit unclean, and a prison of every bird unclean and hated".
Matt 7:27 And descended the rains and the streams and blow the winds and they toward-strike the House/oikia <3614>, that, and She falls/epesen <4098> (5627) and was the fall of Her Great.
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The four horns in Zechariah 1:18-21 could represent
four Gentile kings who had scattered the Jews from
their land during the time of the Babylonian Captivity
(Zechariah 1:12). These four kings could be four kings
of Babylon during the Babylonian Captivity:
Nebuchadnezzar (Ezra 2:1), Evilmerodach (2 Kings
25:27), Nabonidus, and Belshazzar (Daniel 7:1).
The four carpenters in Zechariah 1:20-21 could refer
four of the Jewish rulers who would help the Jews to
rebuild their lives in the land of Israel after the
Babylonian Captivity. These four rulers could be
Zerubbabel (Haggai 2:2a), Joshua the high priest
(Haggai 2:2b), Ezra (Nehemiah 8:9b), and Nehemiah
(Nehemiah 8:9a).
God will use ten kings who will rule the earth with
the Antichrist to destroy Mystery Babylon (Revelation
17:12,16-17), which represents all of man's corrupt
religious (Revelation 18:24), economic (Revelation
18:11), and political (Revelation 17:18) systems
throughout history (Revelation 17:3,9-10).
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