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Jesus is my Shield in any Desert or Storm
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Christ's body had yet to leave the planet. Read Luke 24:26. "Ought not Christ to have suffered these things, and to enter into his glory? "...to enter.." is active voice but infinitive mood. Meaning "...to enter into glory.." hadn't happened yet. That's why it's translated "..to enter..".Yes, it does mean that. Christ was in His glorified flesh-and-bones body the moment He awakened to life again in the tomb. Christ said the same thing to the two disciples on the road to Emmaus when He asked them, "Ought not Christ to have suffered these things, AND TO ENTER INTO HIS GLORY?" This was spoken by Christ that same day of His resurrection, when He had already by then "entered into His glory" in Luke 24:26.
You are making an assumption that this isn't referring to Pentecost.No, that passage is not necessarily referring to Pentecost. That is an assumption. We are clearly told that Christ breathed the Holy Spirit into the disciples that evening after His resurrection in John 20:22 when He said "Receive ye the Holy Spirit". By comparing this text with John 7:39, we can then conclude that Christ was already glorified at that point, because Christ was supposed to be glorified BEFORE the Holy Spirit was given.
The only thing that John 20:22 conveys is that Christ commanded that the Spirit would be sent. That didn't mean that it happened yet. We know this because of Pentecost.
And John 7:39 states that the Holy Spirit is not sent until Christ is glorified. He can't be glorified until ALL of him leaves the planet. The body did not ascend to heaven yet. The body was in the grave. Remember!
Compare this to Moses and Exodus 33:18-20. God's glory can not be shown on this earth without commencing the destruction of this cosmos. This is why He says to Moses: "You can't see my face and live." Verse 18; Moses specifically requests to see God's glory.
Compare this to Mathew 25:31-46 Matthew 25:31 specifically says: "When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:
Except Scripture doesn't say "the miraculous sign gifts" were "poured out" it says "the Spirit was poured out". (Acts 2:17)No, there was no delayed giving of the Holy Spirit until 50 days later at Pentecost. The Holy Spirit was given to the disciples then and there that evening. Pentecost taking place 50 days later was the moment when the miraculous sign gifts of the Holy Spirit were being poured out on all flesh. The Holy Spirit can be present and indwelling an individual without them manifesting miraculous sign gifts, which is the situation we have today also. Those sign gifts being manifested back then were only a visible proof to others that the Holy Spirit was ALREADY indwelling the disciples.
So where are these people now; seeing how you claim they walked earthly Jerusalem in glorified bodies but never ascended to heaven?No, none of those died again. That has also been a common assumption without a single scripture to back up that theory, but this is an impossibility. The same power of the Holy Spirit that it takes to make a believer rise to life again is the same power that gives them immortality at that point. Just as it is impossible for the Holy Spirit to die, so it is impossible for one raised to life again by the Spirit's power to die again either.
Lazarus was never "transfigured". Christ raised Lazarus to live again in a glorified, incorruptible, immortal life, and he never died again. Humanity is appointed to die ONLY ONCE - never twice. The Hebrews 9:27-28 rule stands firm. "Neither CAN they die anymore..." Luke 20:36 says of the saints' resurrected state.
"Remnant" in this passage though means "all who remained" not a portion of who remained. We know that's the case because the entire context of the passage is the final judgement.When I read in Revelation 20:5 about the "rest of the dead" (loipoi) who "lived again" as the "First resurrection" event, this word "loipoi" also appears in the definition for the word "remnant" in my Vine's dictionary, which is why I use that word . Also, as you have noted, it also means "remaining ones". Exactly so.
So.... are these the pastors that are still preaching here on earth 2000 years later? If this is what you actually believe; you have some serious theological issues! No one on this earth today has been around for 2000 years!Those many Matthew 27:52-53 resurrected saints and those others like them did not ascend with Christ in Acts 1. Instead, that "multitude of captives" whom Christ brought out of the grave continued to REMAIN on earth to serve in the early church as pastors and teachers, evangelists, prophets, etc. (as in Ephesians 4:8-12).
Compare 1 Thessalonians 4:15-17 to 1 Corinthians 15:51. This is talking about saints who are living on earth when Jesus does return. Paul is not saying that people living in his era won't ever die!The resurrected Matthew 27:52-53 saints were also the very same ones who had been made "alive" (by resurrection) and who were then "remaining" on earth in 1 Thessalonians 4:15&17. Paul assured the Thessalonians that these "remaining" ones would not precede their own dead loved ones (that were then in the grave) by ascending to heaven with Christ before they did. Those saints already resurrected would wait and "remain" on earth in their immortal condition until they could join the others in the next resurrection event when together they would meet the Lord in the air .
No one on this earth is in a glorified body. I don't know where you get this doctrine from, but it is absolutely unScriptural!
Interesting. This is possible; I don't know. I've never studied this as applied to David and Absalom.(And by the way, I am thoroughly pleased that you recognize the Mount of Olives as the crucifixion site of Golgotha. I don't run into many that know about this fact. The "place of the skull" I believe also has probable reference to the "head" of the Mount of Olives being its crest. That is what the word "ros" means in the OT. King David escaping over the crest of the Mount of Olives after Absalom took the city was said to be passing over "Ros" or the "head" of the Mount of Olives, where he worshipped God - 2 Kings15:32 LXX)
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