paulnoel said:
I once asked someone did God make the earth and all the universe? No they said to me it was through the big bang.
So my question to this person was this, if I showed you a plate and said this plate made itself what would you say. And they said don't be so stupid how can a plate make itself. So I asked, what I want to know if something so simple as a plate can not make itself, then how can you beileve that something so coplext as the earth with all it's different species, the sun and the moon being in just the right place so we have day and night and all the other complecated things that are in the universe was made from a bit of rock exploding?
This looks like just another argument from design, so here we go again. OK, let's start with the plate and work backwards. A plate is so symmetrical and orderly, it obviously shows evidence of design. It could not have accidentally appeared or made itself, somebody else must have made it. Who made the plate? Humans did. Humans are very complex and orderly and obviously show evidence of design, and so is the entire universe we live in, so all of this could not have just appeared by accident. Some higher intelligence must have designed and created everything. What was it? Theists say God made everything. God is much more complex than the plate or the humans or the universe, he is so complex, intricate, organized, and purposeful, he could not have created himself or magically appeared out of nothing, he shows evidence of design. Uh-oh, we have a problem. Things that show evidence of design must have a designer. God is so complex, intricate, organized, and purposeful, he obviously shows evidence of design. There must be a higher intelligence than God which designed God. Then, that higher intelligence must have been designed by an even higher intelligence, ad infinitum.
If evidence of design requires a designer, how is God exempt from that conclusion? If you insist that God is eternal, that he always existed, that nothing else designed God, aren't you contradicting and thereby invalidating the original premise of your argument? Everything requires a designer, but not everything requires a designer? See what I mean? If you have no objections to simply saying that God always existed, and nothing else designed or made God in the first place, why couldn't you just say that about the universe? Really why not?
Even if Christians could successfully debunk the big bang theory, disproving one theory does not automatically make a competing theory valid. So stop wasting your time trashing the big bang and get busy explaining how God came to exist in the first place. Convince me.
noice!!
