The Beginning

[Reasonably Sane]

There is no politics in this thread (I checked) but there is a lot of injection of religion into science and your interpretation of physics was wrong.

Two things. First, I wasn't talking specifically about this thread, but about science as weaponized in the 21st century. Second, this IS a religious forum.

OK, a third thing. I'm not interpreting physics. I'm trying to use analogies to simplify the explanation. It's funny, the CIO of a fortune 100 company, who was also a personal friend, worked with me for a few years and one day, when I was explaining something complex regarding computers, he said to me, "You should write a book of analogies.". I asked him what he meant. He said I was really good at using analogies to explain complex things to people outside the field they are addressing. And one time at a client who had purchased our software a year before but wasn't using it, I taught a class of his senior programmers how to use it and he wrote an email to my manager stating that if they had realized how easy it was to use they would have been using it a lot more in that year.

And I've learned, in the years that followed (actually, a couple of decades now) that whenever someone really takes issue with my analogies or even strongly disrespects them, it is the point the analogy is making that they don't like. i.e. sometimes the analogy describes it too well.

But, as usual, opinions vary. And after all of the above, yes, I admit that I can be guilty of the Dunning Kruger effect myself from time to time. I try to avoid it, though. I do research before I take a strong stand. But when is enough research really enough?

 

[Reasonably Sane]

Is god a male? Does god have a physical body?

Yes. His name is Jesus.

 

[Reasonably Sane]

Choosimg to accept such science as fits a
selected belief, rejecting that which does not
regardless of data, really is not consistent with
any respect or love for science, as it is directly
contrary to the deepest meaning of science.

With that I completely agree! It's often not that one accepts or doesn't accept "science". Rather, it is that they don't accept one or another researcher's conclusion gleaned from the science. It's why, technically, no science is really "settled". There certainly has been a lot of talk about what gravity really is of late.

 

[stevil]

Yes. His name is Jesus.

Right now, does god have a physical body? Or was god male just temporarily while he occupied a males body for that brief period?

 

[Reasonably Sane]

Right now, does god have a physical body? Or was god male just temporarily while he occupied a males body for that brief period?

Yes. His name is Jesus.

It was Jesus in the oven. It was Jesus that walked with Adam.

John 8:58 -- Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I am.”

Interesting use of present tense. Just sayin'

 

[stevil]

Yes. His name is Jesus.

It was Jesus in the oven. It was Jesus that walked with Adam.

John 8:58 -- Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I am.”

Interesting use of present tense. Just sayin'

What's his present address? Can I go there and shake his hand?

 

[AV1611VET]

Yes. His name is Jesus.

Here's what He says about Himself ...

Deuteronomy 32:39a See now that I, even I, am he, and there is no god with me:

 

[AV1611VET]

Right now, does god have a physical body? Or was god male just temporarily while he occupied a males body for that brief period?

Isaiah 52:6 Therefore my people shall know my name: therefore they shall know in that day that I am he that doth speak: behold, it is I.

 

[AV1611VET]

What's his present address?

He's at your door.

Can I go there and shake his hand?

No.

 

[Bradskii]

The way I see it, it's the creating process where the problem arises.

I still don't get it. If someone believes in God then He was responsible. He's responsible for everything. If someone doesn't believe in God then it was entirely a natural process.

 

[stevil]

He's at your door.



No.

Noone is at my door. No one with a visible human body.

 

[stevil]

Isaiah 52:6 Therefore my people shall know my name: therefore they shall know in that day that I am he that doth speak: behold, it is I.

word salad

 

[Bradskii]

Right now, does god have a physical body? Or was god male just temporarily while he occupied a males body for that brief period?

If horses had a religion, what do you think their god would look like?

 

[AV1611VET]

word salad

Fair enough.

Let's try this then:

Isaiah 52:6 ... he ...

Does that answer your question?

 

[dlamberth]

I still don't get it. If someone believes in God then He was responsible. He's responsible for everything. If someone doesn't believe in God then it was entirely a natural process.

It depends upon the kind of God one looks towards. It is possible to both be aware of the Divine and at the same time fully take in the natural process. A God being "responsible for everything" in my opinion falls more in line with the Greek/Roman Pagan God way of thinking. It's a paradigm shift in how one thinks of God. I get that.

 

[stevil]

If horses had a religion, what do you think their god would look like?

I often wonder if my cat thinks I am a god. I have the power to open doors, to bring forth food instantly, to make day and night with the flick of a finger.
I wonder what my cat thinks is the purpose of a god.
To open doors for him when he waits by the door.
to feed him when he purs and rubs up against my ankles.
to play with him, to fight him when he runs from me or hides in his tunnel.

But anyway, in this recent conversation with these two people, they seem to want me to take a journey into wackadoodle land, where a person has a body and exists, before they are born, and has a body and exists after they died, are at my door even though no one is at my door.
They aren't winning me over, I'm feeling like wackadoodle land just isn't the right place for me.

 

[stevil]

Fair enough.

Let's try this then:

Isaiah 52:6 ... he ...

Does that answer your question?

Let's see.

Lets put my question and this answer together and see how this reads.

Q: Is god a male? Does god have a physical body?
A: He

Q: What's his present address? Can I go there and shake his hand?
A: He


Seems like we are going straight back into wackadoodle land.

 

[Bradskii]

It depends upon the kind of God one looks towards. It is possible to both be aware of the Divine and at the same time fully take in the natural process.

Yeah. I'm pretty certain that Christian scientists who work to discover how we came to be here are looking for how God used the natural processes they believe He instigated to do it. Without resorting to this:

 

[partinobodycular]

I often wonder if my cat thinks I am a god.

Dogs are like: This person feeds me, waters me, pets me. They must be God.

Cats are like: This person feeds me, waters me, pets me. I must be God.

 

[AV1611VET]

I often wonder if my cat thinks I am a god.

Is your cat under conviction by the Holy Ghost?