Evolutionist tactics.

What ever happened to WinAce anyway?

WinAce is suffering from Ownlife.

He met a girl! Good luck to him.

Good to hear.
I feared that he had been "removed" by the CCD. (Creationist Council of Dooooooooooooom).

HRE, I never doubted JohnR7, I just wanted to see this.

Bushido216 said:

HRE, I never doubted JohnR7, I just wanted to see this.

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John is the great enigma of teh intarweb. I like John. He is simultaneously amusing, frustrating and sincere.

Bushido216 said:

Where, John? I'd like to see this.

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Fundies Say the Darndest Things! June 2003 Edition:
http://users.rcn.com/rostmd/winace/fundies/fstdt_jun03.htm
This is a favorite year of mine: not only is it a banner year for John, but one of our Muslim fundamentalists made it, and there are a few choice Harry Potter and Pokemon quotes taken from another forum, plus a question regarding who will moderate it and if its rules will change after the rapture.
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"Biology is not my job, so it is not up to me to come up with a better [classification] system. Let's look at an example: Animal, vegetable or Mineral. Is the Pearl produced by a claim a animal or a mineral?"
- JohnR7, ChristianForums

"If science claims that one species changed into another, then that simply means they do not know what a species is. Because the Bible clearly says that God created 'according to their kind'."
- JohnR7, ChristianForums


"You started to let satan or demons do your thinking for you [when you began questioning]."
- JohnR7, ChristianForums

"In order to do that I would actually have to read the thread. I will take your advise under consideration and give it some thought. But for now my objective is just to have fun with your guys. I like to push your buttons."
- JohnR7, ChristianForums


"Now I am NOT SAYING all sick people are sinners, but often this is the case."
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"If people will turn away from their sin, then God would heal them of aids. People want healed, but they do not want to give up their sin and their stinking thinking. We see hundreds, even thousands of people healed of aids in Africa, because they repent of their sin and turn to God."
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"Also, you have to take into consideration that demons can effect the thinking of so called men of science to deceive them. We already see so many areas that people are deceived in, because they do not accept the truth of the Bible. So if they are deceived and in error in a area we can observe them in, then how can they be trusted in areas that we are not as knowledgeable in?"
- JohnR7, ChristianForums


"'Soundly refuted' [creationist arguments,] what a joke. I don't know who your trying to kid. Do you guys even fool yourselves with this one? Those resposes would not hold water if your life depended on it. If you actually tried to use them in the real world, they would shatter into 1000 peices. Most of them don't even address the real issue but is an attempt to knock down your own strawman."
- JohnR7, ChristianForums


"We know that there is a fire coming that is going to cleanse this world of ALL unGodlyness. I was wondering, if that cleansing fire were to go though this board and burn up any part of these posts that was not of God, what would be left? Would there be anything at all, other than maybe a scripture here and there?"
- JohnR7, ChristianForums




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Arikay said:

The forums did do some good, I remember seeing one creationists who supposably took off to another forum because of the heavy handed and one sided moderating.

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That's why I took off (even though I'm not a creationist). I didn't like the fact that posts would get randomly deleted without explanation. Not to mention the frequent bannings.

I can understand why he wanted to create a forum with a higher signal-to-noise ratio. The problem is the forum politics overshadowed any meaningful discussion to be had there.

Whatever happened to the "Atheists say the Darndest things" page? I was so proud that I was the first one on it too...

At least it is available through Google's cache, but its not the same.
(Not an entirely bad collection of names there either, even if the page is pretty short...)

DGE Project said:

There have been sites taht have iformation that evos are incapable fo dealing wiht so they hack the sites.

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And a specific example of this is .... ??

I seriously doubt working evolutionary biologists have the time or skill to hack into creationist sites.`.

DGE Project said:

They think they can promote evolutionism by silencing all opposing views. Creationist have never needed to do this.

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Yeah, right, trying to make laws which forbid the teaching of evolution isn't silencing opposing views at all.

DGE Project said:

Now go ahead and ridicule me all you want. I don't care. It is my duty to make sure the tactics of evo hackers don't go unkonwn.

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It might be useful then if you could tell us some specific examples.

Magnus Vile said:

Whatever happened to the "Atheists say the Darndest things" page? I was so proud that I was the first one on it too...

At least it is available through Google's cache, but its not the same.
(Not an entirely bad collection of names there either, even if the page is pretty short...)

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Well, rats! I miss out on some of the best stuff!

DGE Project said:

...I have been seing the ways tha t evolutionsts deal with arguemnts for creation. I have already started a thread about the political games that evos play, but I have since learned even more distrubin thingts. There have been sites taht have iformation that evos are incapable fo dealing wiht so they hack the sites. They think they can promote evolutionism by silencing all opposing views....

...It is my duty to make sure the tactics of evo hackers don't go unkonwn.

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I have no interest whatsoever in ridiculing you, but I would like to know why you believe that evolutionists hack sites with which they don't agree.

My Lord of the Rings forum has been both hacked and raided, but no member there has ever believed that anyone was trying to suppress the works of Tolkien thereby.

DGE:
You are using the alleged motives of alleged hackers in an alleged incident that may not have happened to impugn the motives of honest scientists.

I wouldn't call them forum politics as much as forum prejudice. It was made clear from e-mails that Fred considers all evolutionists evil atheists who want to destroy christianity and all creationists good guys who would never do anything wrong.
Thus, it was ok for creationists to break the rules but not evolutionists. Even with lopsided rule enforcement the creationists were still getting their donkey handed to them. Which is when most of the evolutionists were banned for no good reason, labelled as trolls and prevented from even viewing the board, then the "hacker" came along and just happened to destroy the board but not until Fred could backup the "troll" list and start a new.

Just another case of creationists trying to create their own world. As long as they can keep other creationists locked up in their own world behind closed doors, they can keep people buying their books and worshiping them.

Pete Harcoff said:

That's why I took off (even though I'm not a creationist). I didn't like the fact that posts would get randomly deleted without explanation. Not to mention the frequent bannings.

I can understand why he wanted to create a forum with a higher signal-to-noise ratio. The problem is the forum politics overshadowed any meaningful discussion to be had there.

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How did this pop up again after two months?

Hint: DGE no longer posts here...

HRE:
<< Hint: DGE no longer posts here... >>

Thanks.

Arikay said:

I wouldn't call them forum politics as much as forum prejudice. It was made clear from e-mails that Fred considers all evolutionists evil atheists who want to destroy christianity and all creationists good guys who would never do anything wrong.
Thus, it was ok for creationists to break the rules but not evolutionists. Even with lopsided rule enforcement the creationists were still getting their donkey handed to them. Which is when most of the evolutionists were banned for no good reason, labelled as trolls and prevented from even viewing the board, then the "hacker" came along and just happened to destroy the board but not until Fred could backup the "troll" list and start a new.

Just another case of creationists trying to create their own world. As long as they can keep other creationists locked up in their own world behind closed doors, they can keep people buying their books and worshiping them.

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Now there's an interesting take on it, arikay. I'm not familiar with the site (who's Fred?), but I am familiar with hackers being disgruntled members of the board, rather than "enemies".
Usually when the owner and webmaster of a board chooses to clear it, he just does, but that causes a great deal of hard feeling among the members he wants to keep, so I suppose this would be a 'better' solution?
Of course, it's a solution to a problem I don't understand: there are many threads on many boards in which I can be clearly seen to totally kicked to the curb in debate, CF being one of them.
Worse yet, many of my temper tantrums have been saved for posterity, but that what makes message boards much like life, I think. I don't really care for the thought of a sort of internet cotton candy world in which I appear to be more than I am, gratifying as it would be if I could actually refrain from giving all and sundry a regular view of my nether regions.

Dale said:

HRE:
<< Hint: DGE no longer posts here... >>

Thanks.

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The OP is only two days old, and he's online as I write.

HRE said:

How did this pop up again after two months?

Hint: DGE no longer posts here...

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What am I not allowed to gtake a little break? I see you all are still accuaring Fred of being bieaesd and unfiar, but no one has been alble to give even one example of where he has moderaed unfairyly. It is not his fualut that so many evos hate him troll his board.

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What am I not allowed to gtake a little break? I see you all are still accuaring Fred of being bieaesd and unfiar, but no one has been alble to give even one example of where he has moderaed unfairyly. It is not his fualut that so many evos hate him troll his board.

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I don't even know who Fred is. I'm waiting for you to back up your assertion with proof, please.
Perhaps if you do, those who know who Fred is will be kind enough to do the same for you.

I have alraeady given an exapmle of evos hacking a site they were unable ot refute. What more do you want me to do?