If Jesus is God, can these verses be true?

LouisBooth · Apr 12, 2002

"The fact that "I AM" has more than one interpretation or understanding is proof that the phrase does NOT mean Jesus is God. "

No, its the exact name God says he is. He is asked basically what do we call you and he says, I AM the same I AM Jesus called himself. Oh..and about the 10 year old, I already have..my nephew

I even had a really good friend of mine (who is 13 now) read it when he was 8 and he told me Jesus is God

edpobre · Apr 12, 2002

Originally posted by LouisBooth
"Didn't apostle Paul know that Jesus was God, is God and always be God?"

Col 2:8 he did. He also does in romans..read it. He says Christ Jesus is our Lord...says the same idea in Phil 2:5-8 Christ is God. Should I go on?

"The fact that Christ BECAME flesh and was NO LONGER a SPIRIT is proof that Jesus is NOT God but as he said himself - a MAN.
"

Sorry ed, he was more then just a man. God appeard to people before, as something other then a spirit..read your OT, so out goes that idea. Don't limit God ed in how he can appear to us. The simple fact of the matter is that Jesus is God, and the scriptures clearly say that.

Then tell me why apostle Paul write the way he did in Acts 17:31 and 1 Tim. 2:5. Why did he say that God will judge the world BY the MAN...? Why did he say the one mediator between God and men is thae MAN, Christ Jesus?

And why did apostle Matthew write that people will SEE the son of man coming on clouds from heaven (Matt. 24:30)? Didn't apostle Matthew knew that God is SPIRIT and CANNOT be seen? Was apostle Matthew telling the truth or not?

It is NOT enough that you keep repeating that Jesus is God Louis. You must at least give a decent answer to my questions.

Ed

LouisBooth · Apr 12, 2002

"Then tell me why apostle Paul write the way he did in Acts 17:31 "

I'm not all that sure Paul is the author of acts ed Why are you? How do you know he is? the style fits Luke more then Paul. Again, showing me your lack of studying

"Why did he say the one mediator between God and men is thae MAN, Christ Jesus? "

Because Jesus is a man, but he is also God, that's what incarnation is. 100% man and 100% God.

"Didn't apostle Matthew knew that God is SPIRIT and CANNOT be seen? Was apostle Matthew telling the truth or not? "

Unfortunatly you're still stuck in your false interpreations. God can be seen if he wants to. He has appeared to many, for example, he appeared to moses as a burning bush...ie NOT A SPIRIT. don't limit God ed.

"You must at least give a decent answer to my questions. "

I have ed, many many times. I have written books of posts to answer you and you simply deny what scripture says, I only enteratian you now because others are reading, not to answer you but to show others your false teachings.

PrinceJeff · Apr 12, 2002

Amen Louis. Ed we pray you get saved someday.

Blackwing · Apr 12, 2002

Pinapaikot mo lang ang usapan Ed.Ipagdarasal kita.( Ed, if you are filipino and INC you can understand this)

niwde · Apr 12, 2002

i was lazy to read all the postings by u and louisbooth
buti would like to say something
in the beginning(NOT FROM GENESIS)which was during the middle ages, ALL Christians believed that jesus is god like the 3 in 1 instant coffee or tea
then some time later
some big shot begin to doubt that jesus is God and start disagreeing and then begin to look in the bible and start to prove that jesus is not god
it is not wrong in what u believed in (it is ur right) but it is wrong(inaccurate)in your beliefs
the end
that is my hypotesis
ok

PrinceJeff · Apr 12, 2002

niwide good post!

also, how could only the father be God if He said "let US make man in OUR image." who else was He talking to?

niwde · Apr 12, 2002

100% couldn't be talking to the angels
and 100% couldn't be talking to himself
or people will think God the father is"mad"
or either he has a bad command in english
abviously he is talking to....jesus and holy spirit
united as the trinity
well i can't put it into words
there is practically no words in english to describe it

Messenger · Apr 12, 2002

I don't think trinity is worth fighting over. I have yet to find anything in the Bible even suggesting that we will lose our Salvation if we believe or don't believe in Trinity. I am not even certain that those who say they believe in the Trinity Doctrine know exactly what it is. I was told on this post that I couldn't call myself a "Christian" if I didn't believe in the Trinity Doctrine.

I have searched the internet for the actual Trinity Doctrine and what I have found is things saying that it will continue to change because nobody can agree 100% on God because it is too complicating for our minds.

To love Jesus and accept Jesus as our Savior is enough to be a Christian. I won't change your beliefs and you won't change mine and I don't think it is necessary that we do. Love is what Jesus asked for and it's hard to find the love within this post.

If you believe in the Trinity Doctrine great but you should know what exactly it is that you say you believe in....so please post the Trinity Doctrine.

Thank you.

Love and God Bless :wave:

edpobre · Apr 12, 2002

Originally posted by LouisBooth
"Then tell me why apostle Paul write the way he did in Acts 17:31 "

I'm not all that sure Paul is the author of acts ed Why are you? How do you know he is? the style fits Luke more then Paul. Again, showing me your lack of studying

You ask how I know that it was Paul who spoke these words? Back up to Acts 17:22 Louis. The author of Acts (not Paul) is describing how apostle Paul made the point that Jesus is a MAN (Acts 17:31).

"Why did he say the one mediator between God and men is thae MAN, Christ Jesus? "

Because Jesus is a man, but he is also God, that's what incarnation is. 100% man and 100% God.

Stop pulling my leg Louis. I know your belief about Jesus being God and what the so-called incarnation is. But your belief does NOT explain why apostle Paul referred to Jesus as MAN when Jesus was already in heaven.

If Jesus is MAN/God and he is the ONLY mediator between the only one God and MEN, how could apostle Paul write that there is ONLY ONE God?

Was apostle Paul thinking that Jesus is the ONLY one God who MEDIATES between HIMSELF and men? That would be an absurdity, isn't it? Mediation would NOT be necessary at all, right?

Was apostle Paul trying to DECEIVE by saying that there is only one God when he knew that there were actually TWO? Apostle Paul would NOT do that! Would he?

Admit it Louis, Jesus is a MAN period.

"Didn't apostle Matthew knew that God is SPIRIT and CANNOT be seen? Was apostle Matthew telling the truth or not? "

Unfortunatly you're still stuck in your false interpreations. God can be seen if he wants to. He has appeared to many, for example, he appeared to moses as a burning bush...ie NOT A SPIRIT. don't limit God ed.

Tell that to apostle John and Jesus Louis, not me. Apostle John wrote that "NO ONE has EVER seen God at ANY time (John 1:18; 1 John 4:12)." And he learned this from Jesus. Are you suggesting that you know more than Jesus and apostle John?

"You must at least give a decent answer to my questions. "

I have ed, many many times. I have written books of posts to answer you and you simply deny what scripture says, I only enteratian you now because others are reading, not to answer you but to show others your false teachings.

Thank you for entertaining me Louis. Yeah, we owe it to our silent readers to continue posting what we believe is true so that they too might come to the knowledge f the truth.

I hope you never run out of patience for the sake of our readers.

Ed

Messenger · Apr 12, 2002

Please see my above post....Do you believe in the Trinity Doctrine? If so, please post this Doctrine that you believe in. It would be easier for us to see it for ourselves than for others to try and explain it. Thanks

TheUnknown · Apr 12, 2002

"let US make man in OUR image." who else was He talking to?

Himself. God's schizophrenic.

But seriously, the concept of the trinity just doesn't make sense. If Jesus is the son of God, then how can he be the father of himself?

Messenger · Apr 12, 2002

Again a request for those who believe in the Trinity Doctrine please post it.

Thank you Love and God Bless

niwde · Apr 12, 2002

just read my previous post
at first all believe then some smart alec start to say something different
gosh we do not really know how the human brain works
so foolish

PrinceJeff · Apr 12, 2002

Edpobre you accused people of insulting you, but it is ok for you to use the same tactics? Hypocrite.

isshinwhat · Apr 12, 2002

God the Father is the unique source of the entire Trinity. The Son proceeds from the Father, and the Holy Spirit from the Father and the Son. This is on an eternal level, none has ever existed without the other. By the very nature of God, the Three have been from before time. Hence Christ being called the Eternally Begotten.

We have a problem understanding this because we have no experience with it. We know there is such a thing as human nature that we each possess. That thing which makes me truly me is mine alone, and is finite. I share it with no one and no one can ever experience it. Yet with the Almighty, the Divine Nature is posessed FULLY be the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit: It is not shared. You cannot share an infinite thing, for you cannot split it. There is no difference between a part and the whole, for they are all infinite. Does any of this make sense? I pray it does.

May the Lord be with you all,

Neal

Messenger · Apr 12, 2002

Understand what your saying Neal and thanks but I'd still like to see the actual Trinity Doctrine. If God is so difficult for our human minds to understand why must I understand the Trinity Doctrine that I have never actually seen? I'm only making a fuss over the Trinity Doctrine because Louisbooth said I wasn't a Christian unless I believed it yet he hasn't showed me a copy of it. This topic is going on on another forum as well. I've come to the conclusion so far that God knows I'm a Christian wether Louisbooth understands this or not.
Love and God Bless.

Messenger · Apr 12, 2002

Here's a copy of what I posted on the Trinity in the Workshop forum:

I believe there is one God...God the Father. Jesus we do not pray to but through. The Holy Spirit guides us. They are all of God...but I don't believe they are all God. Angels I believe in and assume you do? They are of God but not God. Now I am not saying what I believe is 100% accurate but this is my belief thus far. My beliefs are always subject to change through learning and spiritual enlightening but thus far this is still how I believe. I understand where people come up with the trinity but I do not translate it the same. But I am no less Christian than someone who believes in Trinity. I Love Jesus, God and the Holy Spirit. I am begining to love everyone....that is how I know I am truely saved. Sorry if I am making too much of a fuss over the Doctrine. I pray that if it is really as important as I am told by some than it will be revailed to me. Love and God Bless.

Messenger · Apr 12, 2002

Another tid bit

When man and woman marry they become one flesh. Now we know they really aren't one flesh but it shows a union this is sorta the way I look at Trinity.

isshinwhat · Apr 12, 2002

Culpability lies in the rejection of something, not the ignorance of it. I believe it because it has been revealed. Do I understand it...no. As for as a formulaic expression of it, the first I know of would be the Profession of Faith from the Council of Nicea in 325. This is the first time that the nature of the Trinity was defined by a Church Council. See this link for the Creed and the Canons from the Council.

www.piar.hu/councils/ecum01.htm

Christ is Risen!

Neal

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