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How Does Dismantling LBJ's Great Society Make America Great Again? (Ans. It doesn't.)

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Nothing says "winning" like hustle culture and OnlyFans to pay the rent.
After 4 years of GOP whining and reality denial, it is someone else's turn. At least until midterms.
 
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There isn't a person around us who has not benefited significantly from the programs instituted by Lyndon B. Johnson in the 1960's and passed at great personal cost.

These programs: Civil Rights Act, Voting Rights Act, Medicare, Medicaid, Headstart, Higher Education Act (Pell Grants, student loans), Clean Air Act, Clean Water Act, Immigration Act of 1965.

The Immigration Act eliminated quotas favoring Europeans.

Even the most conservative among you have been affected by these laws.

My grandfather died when I was 8 years old. He suffered a stroke and spent several weeks in a hospital for the destitute in East Meadow, NY. I'm sure that most states didn't even have a hospital like this for the poor. Seniors had no medical insurance at all.

Have your grandparents needed nursing home care? Thank LBJ. Did you need a student loan or Pell grant to advance your education? Thank LBJ. Did you or your parents come here from a country outside of Europe? Thank LBJ.

Before you join the Great Society wrecking crew, think about your life, your parents' lives, your grandparents' lives. Think about your friends' lives. Think about how these programs have improved our lives--or even saved them.

Thank you, LBJ. (Yes, you made mistakes in Vietnam but you changed our country for good.)
Most people think the Great Society laws were only about welfare and affirmative action.
 
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At some point, these programs, designed to assist people and get them back on their feet, did nothing but create ruts where people would rest and make a life of it. They were not designed to become a lifestyle. I heard a black man just the other day state that there is a growing consensus among many in their community that these programs did not help their people. They made them comfortable being in poverty, and it became a trap. Generation after generation was stuck in this lifestyle, content to remain poor, getting only enough to make it on a day-to-day, relief check to relief check basis. It was institutionalized poverty. It lowered self-respect and established hopelessness. It created a permanent underclass. It served to destroy the family unit because suddenly, families did not need each other any longer, so they fell apart. Our family received assistance a few times from these programs, but we never considered it permanent.
Yes, we need such stop-gap measures to prevent what happened in the Great Depression from happening again. However, this should not become normalized and permanent in families and communities.
Sounds like someone else who thinks the Great Society laws were only about welfare and affirmative action.
 
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and then you end up in prison ( which I DO believe in Rehab once someone gets to prison I AM left-leaning in terms of what deserves incarceration and how incarcerated people should be treated.
Reform in prison is less useful when the system is rigged against them getting employment afterward.
 
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Reform in prison is less useful when the system is rigged against them getting employment afterward.
that is why I also support second chance employment and ban the box laws.
 
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Incorporating drug use into people and society has been another way to get and keep people dependent on government.
funny thing is that incarceration has proven less effective than treatment and the conditions in which the United States keeps our incarcerated population has been proven to be MUCH less effective than nations who treat them like humans and usually have lighter sentences at both keeping people from reoffending AND cutting down on the violence while they ARE incarcerated.
 
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funny thing is that incarceration has proven less effective than treatment and the conditions in which the United States keeps our incarcerated population has been proven to be MUCH less effective than nations who treat them like humans and usually have lighter sentences at both keeping people from reoffending AND cutting down on the violence while they ARE incarcerated.
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Well are the nations you speak of dealing with the mental problems that so many in America have who are incarcerated or are of the criminal element.
 
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Saved by Grace, in every economic indicator other than net worth, African-Americans have made great strides since the 1960's. 24% now go to college v.s. 4%. Black unemployment is now much lower, 5.5%. In 1966 almost 45% of blacks lived in poverty; now it is between 15 and 20%.

Black net worth has increased, but the disparity has grown.

Black representation in politics has soared.


I guess all that opportunity some say made them "lazy" actually made 6X as many go to college and created gainful employment for 40% more. Thank you, LBJ.
 
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Well are the nations you speak of dealing with the mental problems that so many in America have who are incarcerated or are of the criminal element.
People who are heathy do not commit crimes. Much of crime is behind either mental health issues, drug/alcohol addiction poverty ECT. The countries that address those while giving people soft skills in the process while treating people as people have much lower rates of re-offending. Likewise, in the states people who engage in problem solving courts whether it be drug court, mental health court or veteran's court have been shown to have a marked decrease in re-offending than people who go through the normal system. It has also been shown that once people do get out those who have a job, housing healthcare and a support system are MUCH less likely to re-offend than those who do not. You cannot punish addiction, mental health, poverty or even lack of life skills away.
 
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I was talking about programs for other people. Look, even as someone who is disabled I realize that if you are going to get money from the government you should be able to prove your need for it. If you are going to need it for something like just being low income you should be required to A prove your need for it and B work to no longer need it. If you asks me SNAP should come with stricter requirements as to what can be purchased like WIC like requirements.
I applaud you for being able to work while disabled, and I applaud your employer for making whatever modifications (if any) are necessary to accommodate you. Once again, a progressive law (now under attack by Republicans), the Americans With Disabilities Act of 1990, made America great. Let's not dismantle that greatness!
 
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I applaud you for being able to work while disabled, and I applaud your employer for making whatever modifications (if any) are necessary to accommodate you. Once again, a progressive law (now under attack by Republicans), the Americans With Disabilities Act of 1990, made America great. Let's not dismantle that greatness!
I do not work I am on SDISI ( would love to work) In fact, I wish SSDI and certainly SSI were set up differently as currently they scare people away from working. Here is the thing the people who are disabled, elderly ECT OK. If someone is eperenicing hardships loss of job whatever and needs help OK, however those people in the latter group need to show that they are working (improving their situation) to get off of assistance. Meanwhile, people on NEED based assistance meaning things like SNAP, SSI and mediciaid should expect whomever is providing them (the government in that case to have a say in what they are doing with those resources
 
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The current system is creating more dependents on government and not less, that can not be maintained.

I live in a town of dependents and all they want is the government to give to them.
The statistics don't back up your claim, although your locality may be an anomaly.

AI: The U.S. unemployment rate in 1965 was 8.1%1. The U.S. unemployment rate in 2024 is projected to be 5.5%

The retirement age has gone up to 67, I believe, although our life expectancy is currently decreasing, due to our disastrously ineffective response to COVID, due to guesswork by science deniers, and drug use. Other advanced countries have
experienced much more growth in life expectancy.

How do you think $900 in Medicaid cuts will hurt life expectancy. Are our nursing homes filled with fraudsters?

Rather than taking a chainsaw to Medicaid, the CDC and NIH (oops, didn't Musk fire all their employees) should encourage the construction of adult day care centers so that families can care for their loved ones without losing their careers--and give them some respite.
 
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The statistics don't back up your claim, although your locality may be an anomaly.

AI: The U.S. unemployment rate in 1965 was 8.1%1. The U.S. unemployment rate in 2024 is projected to be 5.5%

The retirement age has gone up to 67, I believe, although our life expectancy is currently decreasing, due to our disastrously ineffective response to COVID, due to guesswork by science deniers, and drug use. Other advanced countries have
experienced much more growth in life expectancy.

How do you think $900 in Medicaid cuts will hurt life expectancy. Are our nursing homes filled with fraudsters?

Rather than taking a chainsaw to Medicaid, the CDC and NIH (oops, didn't Musk fire all their employees) should encourage the construction of adult day care centers so that families can care for their loved ones without losing their careers--and give them some respite.
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Your link states other wise, 1965 was 4.0

U.S. Unemployment Rates by Year
YearUnemployment Rate (December)Notable Factor or Event
19293.2%Market crash
19308.7%Smoot-Hawley
193115.9%Dust Bowl
193223.6%Hoover’s tax hikes
193324.9%FDR’s New Deal
193421.7%Depression eased
193520.1%N/A
193616.9%N/A
193714.3%Spending cuts
193819.0%FLSA started minimum wage
193917.2%Drought ended
194014.6%U.S. draft
19419.9%Pearl Harbor
19424.7%Defense spending tripled
19431.9%Germany surrendered at Stalingrad
19441.2%Bretton Woods
19451.9%World War II ended; minimum wage: 40 cents
19463.9%Employment Act
19473.6%Marshall Plan negotiated
19484.0%Truman reelected
19496.6%Fair Deal; NATO
19504.3%Korean War; minimum wage: 75 cents
19513.1%Expansion
19522.7%Expansion
19534.5%Korean War ended
19545.0%Dow returned to 1929 level
19554.2%Unemployment fell
19564.2%Minimum wage: $1
19575.2%Recession
19586.2%N/A
19595.3%Expansion
19606.6%Recession
19616.0%JFK takes office; minimum wage: $1.15
19625.5%Cuban Missile Crisis
19635.5%LBJ takes office; minimum wage: $1.25
19645.0%Tax cut
19654.0%U.S. entered Vietnam War
19663.8%Expansion
19673.8%Minimum wage: $1.40
19683.4%Minimum wage: $1.60
19693.5%Nixon took office
19706.1%Recession
19716.0%Emergency Employment Act; wage-price controls
19725.2%Ongoing stagflation; Watergate
19734.9%CETA; gold standard; Vietnam War ended
19747.2%Nixon resigned; minimum wage: $2
19758.2%Recession ended
19767.8%Expansion
19776.4%Carter took office
19786.0%Fed raised rate to 20% to stop inflation
19796.0%N/A
19807.2%Recession
19818.5%Reagan took office; Reagan tax cuts; minimum wage: $3.35
198210.8%Job Training Partnership Act; Garn-St. Germain Act
19838.3%Reagan increased military spending
19847.3%N/A
19857.0%Expansion
19866.6%Tax cuts
19875.7%Black Monday
19885.3%Fed raised rates
19895.4%George H.W. Bush took office; reforms made to address S&L Crisis
19906.3%Recession
19917.3%Desert Storm; minimum wage: $4.25
19927.4%NAFTA drafted
19936.5%Clinton took office; Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act
19945.5%School to Work Act
19955.6%Expansion
19965.4%Welfare reform
19974.7%Minimum wage: $5.85
19984.4%LTCM crisis
19994.0%Euro; Serbian airstrike
20003.9%Nasdaq hit record high
20015.7%George W. Bush took office; Bush tax cuts; 9/11 attacks
20026.0%War on Terror
20035.7%JGTRRA
20045.4%Expansion
20054.9%Bankruptcy Abuse Prevention Act; Hurricane Katrina
20064.4%Expansion
20075.0%N/A
20087.3%Minimum wage: $6.55; financial crisis
20099.9%Obama took office; ARRA; minimum wage: $7.25; jobless benefits extended
20109.3%Obama tax cuts
20118.5%26 months of job losses by July; debt ceiling crisis; Iraq War ended
20127.9%QE; 10-year rate at 200-year low; fiscal cliff
20136.7%Stocks up 30%
20145.6%Unemployment at 2007 levels
20155.0%Natural rate
20164.7%Presidential race
20174.1%Trump took office; dollar weakened
20183.9%Trump tax cuts
20193.6%Goldilocks economy
20206.7%Pandemic and recession
20213.9%Pandemic and recovery; Biden took office
20223.5%Continued recovery; Fed raised rates to fight inflation
20233.7%Falling inflation

Source: U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics
 
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The current system is creating more dependents on government and not less, that can not be maintained.

I live in a town of dependents and all they want is the government to give to them.
Are there any decent job openings in your town?
 
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Saved by Grace, in every economic indicator other than net worth, African-Americans have made great strides since the 1960's. 24% now go to college v.s. 4%. Black unemployment is now much lower, 5.5%. In 1966 almost 45% of blacks lived in poverty; now it is between 15 and 20%.

Black net worth has increased, but the disparity has grown.

Black representation in politics has soared.


I guess all that opportunity you said made them "lazy" actually made 6X as many go to college and created gainful employment for 40% more. Thank you, LBJ.
Please note that I never used the word "lazy," which you have in quotes, implying you are quoting me as saying that. I did say that many people enter a phase of hopelessness. I think the progress that can be seen may have involved factors other than the welfare state.
Thank you for your response.
 
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