Jesus Magnified the Ten Commandments

[SabbathBlessings]

If the conscience of the born again needs a definition for love of God, one isn't born again.

If one doesn't have God’s law in their hearts, than they are not grafted in the Covenant Promise Heb 8:10-12 as they are not doing God’s will Psa 40:8 through faith and love John 14:15 Exo 20:6 1 John 2:6 Rev 14:12

 

[Clare73]

If one doesn't have God’s law in their hearts, than they are not grafted in the Covenant Promise Heb 8:10-12 as they are not doing God’s will Psa 40:8 through faith and love John 14:15 Exo 20:6 1 John 2:6 Rev 14:12

My point precisely. . .that's what born again is--love of God which leads to love of man, which is righteousness/holiness.
You don't need rules to know how to respond to those you love.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

My point precisely. . .that's what born again is--love of God which leads to love of man, which is righteousness/holiness.

God’s version, His law, not what we feel is right or wrong.

 

[Clare73]

God’s version, His law, not what we feel is right or wrong.

Then you don't understand what love of neighbor is. . .just for refresher--love of neighbor is commitment to his well-being.

And no one has to tell the born again of the Holy Spirit not to use God's name disrespectfully or not to worship other gods.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Then you don't understand what love of neighbor is. . just for refresher--love of neighbor is commitment to his well-being.

And no one has to tell the one who loves God not to use his name disrespectfully or to worship other gods.

According to Scripture love to God is keeping His commandments, which is committing to God’s will. 1 John 5:3 Exo 20:6 John 14:15 Psa 40:8 and that would mean breaking the least of these commandments or teaching others to Mat 5:19 as they were never suggestions or multiple choice.

1 John 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments. And His commandments are not burdensome.

Our version of righteousness is as filthy rags, why we need to depend on God for everything. Especially what He deems righteous. Psa 119:172 Isa 56:1-6 as His righteousness is everlasting Psa 119:142

 

[Clare73]

According to Scripture love to God is keeping His commandments, which is committing to God’s will. 1 John 5:3 Exo 20:6 John 14:15 Psa 40:8 and that would mean breaking the least of these commandments or teaching others to Mat 5:19 as they were never suggestions or multiple choice.
1 John 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments. And His commandments are not burdensome.
Our version of righteousness is as filthy rags, why we need to depend on God for everything. Especially what He deems righteous. Psa 119:172 Isa 56:1-6 as His righteousness is everlasting Ps 119:142.

If we love our neighbor as we love ourselves, we don't need rules, we already have one.

"He who loves his neighbor has fulfilled the law. . .
Whatever other commandments there may be are summed up in this one rule: 'Love your neighbor as yourself.'
Love does no harm to its neighbor. Therefore love is the fulfillment of the law. "(Ro 13:10; Gal 3:25)

Love doesn't have to even know what the law is in order to fulfill it.

It's not about law, it's about love.

 

[JesusFollowerForever]

Then you don't understand what love of neighbor is. . .just for refresher--love of neighbor is commitment to his well-being.

And no one has to tell the born again of the Holy Spirit not to use God's name disrespectfully or not to worship other gods.

If we love our neighbor as we love ourselves, we don't need rules, we already have one.

"He who loves his neighbor has fulfilled the law. . .
Whatever other commandments there may be are summed up in this one rule: 'Love your neighbor as yourself.'
Love does no harm to its neighbor. Therefore love is the fulfillment of the law. "(Ro 13:10; Gal 3:25)
Love doesn't have to even know what the law is in order to fulfill it.

It's not about law, it's about love.

Claire Jesus said clearly , if you love me keep my Commandments, Yes Love is the basis for all things but people need guidelines too. the commandments are a moral compass that shows the way so we do not get lost!

Imagine just loving on an very busy intersection with 4 stops, if you don't know what a stop sign is for, what that they mean or what to do can love prevent an accident? it would be chaos. the commandments are there as guides so we do not forget God, love Him and honor him, then our neighbours.

In a perfect world Claire where everyone loves God and one another, as it will be in heaven yes when the commandments are burned on our hearts and mind forever what you say will be but in this world, a moral compass is essential. Also some of the laws of God are there for a purpose, to test us to see if we truly love him by obeying his commandments and doing HIS will not ours.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

It's not about law, it's about love.

It’s one of the same. The summary doesn’t delete the details Rom 13:9

 

[Bob S]

so you believe the words of scholars over the clear written definition of the covenant in 5 different verses in the old testament written by Moses inspired from GOD? I only mentioned 2 in the text but there are more.

I believe God would not have ordered the Book of the Law to be placed in the side of the Holy Ark of the Covenant if it were not part of the Sinai covenant given to Israel exclusively.

for the gentiles it was decided that only a few points from the law of Moses had to be obeyed see acts 15 the jesusalem council. here are the key points, but the full context is important;
Act 15:19 It is my judgment, therefore, that we should not cause trouble for the Gentiles who are turning to God.
Act 15:20 Instead, we should write and tell them to abstain from food polluted by idols, from sexual immorality, from the meat of strangled animals, and from blood.

Do you realize to those issues would not have been found in the ten commandments?

for the gentiles the new covenant is the 10 Commandments, as Jesus was teaching them ans instituted the New covenant ( testamant) during the last supper, it is defined in Jer 32:31-33 and in Hebrews 8:8-11

Sorry JFF, Jesus came to the Jews, taught them the over 600 commands found in the laws of the old covenant. The new and better covenant had yet to be ratified. Jesus never in all recorded scripture ever taught Gentiles the ten commandments. Where do you get this stuff?

Paul explained the new covenant by quoting it as I do also from Jeremiah 31-31-33, Jesus and Paul were teaching the 10 commandments that are the new covenant.

Scripture please.

 

[Bob S]

JFF wrote: Why would Jesus and Paul teach the Ten Commandments that ARE the covenant if they were obsolete?

Obviously, you are not a New Testament scholar. If you were you would know that Paul not only didn't teach the ten commandments, but he also wrote in 2Cor 3 the following:
6 He has made us competent as ministers of a new covenant—not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.

The Greater Glory of the New Covenant​

7 Now if the ministry that brought death, which was engraved in letters on stone, came with glory, so that the Israelites could not look steadily at the face of Moses because of its glory, transitory though it was, 8 will not the ministry of the Spirit be even more glorious? 9 If the ministry that brought condemnation was glorious, how much more glorious is the ministry that brings righteousness! 10 For what was glorious has no glory now in comparison with the surpassing glory. 11 And if what was transitory came with glory, how much greater is the glory of that which lasts!

The ministry that brought death was the ten commandments. All the ten could do was to bring condemnation to the Israelites because the Israelites couldn't keep them. They did come with glory, but that glory soon faded. Paul wrote that actually the ten were only transitory (temporary). Jesus gave us a very special gift, before ascending to the right hand of the Father, the Holy Spirit. Paul wrote that it is the Holy Spirit that is our guide today, not the ten commandments.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

THE CHARGE

Paul says in 2 Cor. 3 that the Ten Commandments, which was written in stone (verse 3) were a ministration of death and condemnation that was abolished.

THE SHORT ANSWER

Since the law was written in the hearts of the Corinthians, and they literally became living, moving and walking epistles, it follows that the Law was not abolished, but rather changed from tables of stone to “fleshy tables of the heart” (verses 2- 3). One need not tell them to avoid stealing, killing or lying. So long as they continue submitted to the Spirit, they will live the precepts of the Law in their lives. They are “known and read by all men.” How then, pray tell, has the Ten Commandments been abolished?

Two things are mentioned as done away, the ministration of that which was engraved on stone, along with the glory that was shining on the face of Moses (verses 7-16). The latter was replaced by Christ’s more glorious face, according to verses 13-18. But what does Paul mean by “ministration?” The word holds the original meaning of service towards others. Note that it was not the Decalogue itself, but the ministration of it, or the then instituted manner of teaching and enforcing it, that was abolished, to be succeeded by the ministration of the same Law by the apostles and the Spirit (3:3, 4:1)!
The ultimate proof that the Ten Commandment are not here being spoken of as abolished is in verse 12:

“Seeing then that we have such hope, we use great plainness of speech: And not as Moses, [which] put a veil over his face, that the children of Israel could not stedfastly look to the end of that which is abolished.”

In Exodus 34 we read the story to which Paul is referring to. It says in verse 29 that “when Moses came down from Mount Sinai” the “two tablets of the Testimony were in Moses’ hand…” Thus they could look at the Decalogue. What, then, was it that they could not look at? “And when Moses had finished speaking with them, he put a veil on his face… And the children of Israel saw the face of Moses, that the skin of Moses’ face shone: and Moses put the vail upon his face again, until he went in to speak with him” (verses 33-25). What the Israelites could “not stedfastly look” at was the face of Moses when he covered it. That was what was abolished, to be replaced by the face of Christ!
Unfortunately, this veil still prevented their hearts from seeing the glory of Christ when they read the scriptures. But when that heart is turned to the Lord, “the vail shall be taken away” and they shall behold “the glory of the Lord” (verses 14-18). These same people have the Law in their hearts, manifest it through their actions and as a result do not go around saying that it has been abolished.

THE LONG ANSWER

2 Corinthians 3 is the critic’s go-to when they want to claim that the Ten Commandments have been abolished, but a closer examination of each text in question reveals a different story.(6)Before speaking of what has been abolished, Paul actually establishes the Ten Commandments by revealing that the Corinthians are living examples of what the New Covenant looks like in living form. They are the epistle because, as the New Covenant promised, the Ten Commandments have been written in their hearts (cf. verses 1-3, Jer. 31:33). In other words, far from being abolished, they are reestablished in a better location, from tables of stone to “fleshy table of the heart” (verse 3). Keep in mind that we are literally talking about the Ten Commandments here, because that is the allusion when the text speaks about “tables of stone.”
What does the text mean by the heart? Not the literal organ of course. The heart represents the mind, the seat of all thoughts, intellect, passions, desires, affections and endeavors. The mind is what makes who we are in person and character, and dictates our actions in the physical realm. “For as he thinketh in his heart” says the wise man, “so is he” (Prov. 23:7). So then, if the Law was written in their hearts, it has become a natural part of their very being. One need not tell them to avoid stealing, killing or lying. They know the Law, their very impulse, so long as they continue submitted to the Spirit, is to obey God. Their lives demonstrate it’s precepts to the whole world as if they were living, walking, and talking epistles. People can read the Law in their lives and character. They are “known and read by all men.” How then, pray tell, has the Ten Commandments been abolished? Any thinking man with reasoning powers can see that such a claim flies in the face of the very point that Paul is trying to make here!
With this in mind we know for sure that what follows in this chapter cannot now say that the Ten Commandments have been abolished. Therefore, a critical look at each reference to something being abolished reveals exactly what those things were. Let us do that now:

“But if the ministration of death, written [and] engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which [glory] was to be done away. How shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious? For if the ministration of condemnation [be] glory, much more doth the ministration of righteousness exceed in glory. For even that which was made glorious had no glory in this respect, by reason of the glory that excelleth. For if that which is done away [was] glorious, much more that which remaineth [is] glorious.” (verses 7-11).

Two things are mentioned as done away with here, the ministration of that which was engraved on stone, along with the glory that was shining on the face of Moses. The latter was replaced by Christ’s more glorious face, according to verses 13-18. But what does Paul mean by “ministration?” The word holds the original meaning of service towards others. Note that it was not the Decalogue itself, but the ministration of it, or the then instituted manner of teaching and enforcing it, that was abolished, to be succeeded by the ministration of the same Law by the apostles and the Spirit (3:3, 4:1)! It is like taking a man from point A to point B on a bike versus taking him on a car. The car is the better, faster way. But changing the mode of transportation does not change the man being transported. Whereas before of their own strength the people sought to reach the standard of the moral precepts of the Decalogue,(8) now God takes His people there by using His Spirit to write the Ten Commandments in their hearts.
Recall the New Covenant promise, “I will put My law in their minds, and write it on their hearts.” “A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh. And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do [them].” (Jer. 31:33, Eze. 36:26-27). Clearly what was removed was the manner in which that law is given. The ministration changed, not the Law.
The ultimate proof that the Ten Commandment are not here being spoken of as abolished is in verse 12:

“Seeing then that we have such hope, we use great plainness of speech: And not as Moses, [which] put a veil over his face, that the children of Israel could not stedfastly look to the end of that which is abolished.”

In Exodus 34 we read the story to which Paul is referring to. It says in verse 29 that “when Moses came down from Mount Sinai” the “two tablets of the Testimony were in Moses’ hand…” Thus they could look at the Decalogue. What, then, was it that they could not look at? “And when Moses had finished speaking with them, he put a veil on his face… And the children of Israel saw the face of Moses, that the skin of Moses’ face shone: and Moses put the vail upon his face again, until he went in to speak with him” (verses 33-25). What the Israelites could “not stedfastly look” at was the face of Moses when he covered it. That was what was abolished, to be replaced by the face of Christ!
Unfortunately, this veil still prevented their hearts from seeing the glory of Christ when they read the scriptures. But when that heart is turned to the Lord, “the vail shall be taken away” and they shall behold “the glory of the Lord” (verses 14-18).

Two things remain to be addressed. What did Paul mean when he said that the letter kills, and why did he address the Ten Commandments as the ministration of death and condemnation? One answer will suffice to reply to both these questions. The phrase “letter of the law” is an idiomatic phrase contrasting the spiritual, or principles of the law from the literal keeping of the words of the law. That there are these two aspects to the Law is made crystal clear by Jesus when he used the seventh commandment as an example. One can keep the letter (literally having relations with another woman outside your marriage) and yet break the spiritual aspect (lusting after that woman in your heart).(10) When one tries to keep the letter of the law, without the spiritual principles, you will fail, and thus be condemned to death by it. Moreover, when you are not aware of the Law, it will condemn you once you do become aware of it, because you will see that you are in violation. This is why the Law is called the ministration of death and condemnation, because it kills you and condemns you when you break it, not when you keep it!
Paul does not go deep into explaining what he means by death and condemnation here, but he does in Romans. Notice:

“What shall we say then? [Is] the law sin? Certainly not! On the contrary, I would not have known sin except through the law. For I would not have known covetousness unless the law had said, “You shall not covet.” But sin, taking opportunity by the commandment, produced in me all [manner of evil] desire. For apart from the law sin [was] dead. I was alive once without the law, but when the commandment came, sin revived and I died. And the commandment, which [was] to [bring] life, I found to [bring] death. For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it killed [me].” (Rom. 7:7-11)

It was the moment he became aware that he was in violation of the tenth commandment that the Law condemned him to death. You see the problem was not in keeping the commandment, but in not keeping the commandment! Note the next three verses:

“Therefore the law [is] holy, and the commandment holy and just and good. Has then what is good become death to me? Certainly not! But sin, that it might appear sin, was producing death in me through what is good, so that sin through the commandment might become exceedingly sinful. For we know that the law is spiritual, but I am carnal, sold under sin.” (Rom 7:12-14).

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[JesusFollowerForever]

I believe God would not have ordered the Book of the Law to be placed in the side of the Holy Ark of the Covenant if it were not part of the Sinai covenant given to Israel exclusively.

Bob, ARK OF THE COVENANT! inside, was the covenant the 10 commandments on tables of stone! what more do you need, the rest of the law was OUTSIDE! and I explained WHY!

Do you realize to those issues would not have been found in the ten commandments?

of course I do that is the point they were mentioned in the rest of the law of Moses, the apostles decided them this was important as they are linked to the ten commandments how so?
In Acts 15:28–29, the apostles and elders in Jerusalem, guided by the Holy Spirit, gave new believers who were not Jewish a simple message. They said it was not right to put heavy burdens on them, only to ask them to keep a few necessary things. These included avoiding food offered to idols, staying away from blood and meat from strangled animals, and not taking part in sexual sin. These instructions were not meant to replace the Ten Commandments, but they were a starting point. They helped new believers turn away from idol worship, which was common in their cultures, and begin living a life that honored God.
The teaching to avoid idols connects with the first commands God gave about having no other gods. The rule about blood goes back even before Moses, when God told Noah not to eat blood because life is in the blood. Blood represents life, and God had set it apart as something sacred. Taking in blood meant not respecting the life that God gave. Again, this connects to respect for life and keeping God’s command not to consume blood. The instruction against fornication follows what God has always said about purity, as written in the command not to commit adultery. These few rules were given to help the new followers separate from sin and false worship and to start learning how to walk in holiness. The Ten Commandments still stand as the foundation of God’s law, and these first steps were meant to lead them closer to that truth over time, as they grew in faith and understanding of Jesus' teachings.

Sorry JFF, Jesus came to the Jews, taught them the over 600 commands found in the laws of the old covenant. The new and better covenant had yet to be ratified. Jesus never in all recorded scripture ever taught Gentiles the ten commandments. Where do you get this stuff?

Scripture please.

Everything Jesus taught including when He spoke about laws written by Moses, was deeply linked to the Ten Commandments, either by explaining them more clearly, fulfilling them, or bringing people back to their true meaning. The Ten Commandments are like the root or foundation, and Jesus’ teachings are the full-grown tree with fruit. When Jesus taught about divorce, He was connecting it to the seventh commandment, "You shall not commit adultery." He showed that breaking a marriage bond without a true cause was a kind of unfaithfulness, and God wanted marriage to reflect His own faithfulness. When He corrected the teaching of "an eye for an eye," He was not breaking the law of justice, but showing that the sixth commandment, "You shall not murder," also means to choose mercy over hate, peace over revenge. He was teaching people to love their enemies, which is the highest form of “not murdering”—to wish good even to those who hurt you. When He spoke of loving your neighbor, He tied it back to the commandments that deal with human relationships, honoring parents, not stealing, not lying, not coveting, not committing adultery, and not killing. All of those are about respecting and loving others. Loving your neighbor is like the umbrella that covers the last six commandments. When Jesus said the greatest commandments are to love God and love your neighbor, He was not replacing the Ten Commandments. He was summarizing them. The first four teach us how to love God: no other gods, no idols, not using His name wrongly, and keeping the Sabbath holy. The last six teach us how to love others: honor parents, do not kill, do not commit adultery, do not steal, do not lie, and do not covet.

So yes, every teaching of Jesus either flows from the Ten Commandments or brings deeper meaning to them. He never set them aside, He made them come alive in the hearts of those who truly want to follow God.

Yes, Jesus did speak to some Gentiles directly, and even more importantly, He intended for Gentiles to hear His message, follow His teachings, and come to know and obey God’s commandments. Let’s look at this in two parts: first, examples of Jesus speaking directly to Gentiles, and second, proof that He wanted Gentiles to know and keep God's commandments.

While Jesus was sent first to the lost sheep of Israel (Matthew 15:24), He did not reject Gentiles who came to Him in faith. Here are clear examples:
Yes, during Jesus’ sermons like the Sermon on the Mount, many people came to hear Him, and they were not all Jews. The Bible says:

“Great multitudes followed Him—from Galilee, and from Decapolis, Jerusalem, Judea, and beyond the Jordan.” (Matthew 4:25)

Galilee, Jerusalem, and Judea were Jewish areas. But Decapolis, Syria, and beyond the Jordan were places with many non-Jewish people, or Gentiles. These were people from other nations,

Just before the Sermon on the Mount, it says

“Then His fame went throughout all Syria; and they brought to Him all sick people... and great multitudes followed Him.” (Matthew 4:24–25)


So we see clearly, people from Syria, a Gentile land, came to Jesus. Decapolis was a group of cities where Greek and Roman people lived. These were also GentilesI
This shows that even while Jesus was sent first to the Jews (Matthew 15:24), He welcomed others who came with faith. He didn’t send them away. He taught all who came to Him, including people from non-Jewish nations
Jesus said later:
“And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in all the world as a witness to all the nations.” (Matthew 24:14)

And before He returned to heaven, He told His followers:
“Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations... teaching them to observe all things that I have commanded you.” (Matthew 28:19–20)

So yes, Gentiles—people from other nations—were already hearing Jesus’ words during His time on earth. And it was always His plan that all nations should learn His teachings and obey God's commandments.

 

[Clare73]

It’s one of the same. The summary doesn’t delete the details Rom 13:9

The details of loving someone as you love yourself do not have to be spelled out nor labored.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Don't know what it is so complicated and has to be committed to memory about the simple rule of loving your neighbor as yourself.

Its not complicated. God wrote His law in our hearts and minds. Its how we show love to God and love to our neighbor.

As Paul said quoting from the Ten Commandments

Rom 7:7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? Certainly not! On the contrary, I would not have known sin except through the law. For I would not have known covetousness unless the law had said, “You shall not covet.”

When we use our version of the law or what we feel is right or wrong and don't need God's law to be our moral compass, we may end up forgetting something God told us to Remember. God's law shows us our sin and covering our sins is not the way to reconciliation Pro 28:13, its why the law is so important so we are depending on God's righteousness Psa 119:172 and not our own.

We can agree to disagree, I am okay with this.

Be well.

 

[Clare73]

Its not complicated.

Agreed. . .we know what it means to love ourselves. . .it's not rocket science.

 

[childeye 2]

When we use our version of the law or what we feel is right or wrong and don't need God's law to be our moral compass, we may end up forgetting God told us to Remember. God's law shows us our sin and covering our sins is not the way to reconciliation Pro 28:13

Considering the sentiments of the proverb provided, I would also mention 1 Peter 4:8, And above all things have fervent charity among yourselves: for charity shall cover the multitude of sins.

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[SabbathBlessings]

Considering the sentiments of the proverb provided, I would also mention 1 Peter 4:8, And above all things have fervent charity among yourselves: for charity shall cover the multitude of sins.

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I do not believe Peter is using this as a reason to break God's law and sin as that is not the path that leads to reconciliation. Pro 28:13 Rom 6:16 Heb 10:26-30 If we have love in our heart, we are not going to want to sin against God or against our neighbor i.e. love covers a multitude of sins verses someone who does not have charity in their heart.

 

[childeye 2]

If we have love in our heart, we are not going to want to sin against God or against our neighbor i.e. love covers a multitude of sins verses someone who does not have charity in their heart.

I agree. Since love fulfills the law, i.e. ---> Love God with all your heart mind and soul, and your neighbor as yourself, it's a matter of forming and nurturing mutual relationships based on LOVE; then it's actually the Spirit of the law that does the law, not the written ordinances.

So, how would you articulate the opposing sentiments of desiring to be under grace through faith, as opposed to desiring to be under the law? And why is it that scripture states that we attain to the righteousness of God by grace through faith, rather than through the works of the law?

 

[SabbathBlessings]

I agree. Since love fulfills the law, i.e. ---> Love God with all your heart mind and soul, and your neighbor as yourself, is a matter of forming and nurturing mutual relationships based on LOVE; then it's actually the Spirit of the law that does the law, not the ordinances.

The Spirit of the law is greater than the letter, not lessor as Jesus explained. Mat 5:19--30 If one does not have anger in their heart and is replaced by love and compassion, the law of thou shalt not murder would automatically be kept i.e the Ten magnified, the point of the OP. Jesus never taught we can break the letter of the law, as if it would ever be okay to worship other gods, or commit murder or adultery etc. He taught not to break the least of these commandments Mat 5:19 as it shows an unchanged heart. Someone with Gods laws in their heart is keeping them through love and faith 1 John 5:3 John 14:15 Exo 20:6 and by the power of the Holy Spirit John 14:15-18 if we cooperate.

So, how would you articulate the opposing sentiments of desiring to be under grace through faith, as opposed to desiring to be under the law? And why is it that scripture states that we attain to the righteousness of God by grace through faith, rather than through the works of the law?

I think Paul summed it up nicely here:

Rom 6:1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin (break the law) that grace may abound? 2 Certainly not! How shall we who died to sin live any longer in it? 3 Or do you not know that as many of us as were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into His death? 4 Therefore we were buried with Him through baptism into death, that just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.

We all have sinned and deserve death, why we are all living in grace, not so we can continue sinning, otherwise Christ died in vain. Jesus didn't just save us from the penalty of sin, He came to save us from the power of sin, walking a new life in Him through a changed heart by our love and faith in Him. Someone with love and faith obey Him, not disobey Him, it really is just common sense.

The works of the law Paul was referring to was being circumcised in order to be saved, not dishonoring God by breaking His commandments Rom 2:21-23 and sinning Rom 7:7 and being an enmity to God Rom 8:7-8

No one is saved by law-keeping, we are said by grace through faith. Our faith is demonstrated by our fruits and good works. Someone who has good fruit would not be sinning and breaking God's law, they would be abiding in Christ and if we abide in Him we would be keeping the commandments, the same ones He kept as He is our example in all things and showed us how someone who is righteous lives. John 15:4-10 1 John 2:6

 

[childeye 2]

The Spirit of the law is greater than the letter, not lessor as Jesus explained. Mat 5:19--30 If one does not have anger in their heart and is replaced by love and compassion, the law of thou shalt not murder would automatically be kept i.e the Ten magnified, the point of the OP.

I think we agree here. I don't want to be redundant, but since it's the knowledge of God's Holy Character that is the Light of our soul, then it makes sense that the commandments were given not to show righteousness, but rather to show that we are all sinful in some degree because we have been corrupted through a corrupt imagery of god. Hence the law is useful to show the presence of sinfulness in terms of a depravity, rather than just a destructive action or inaction.

Jesus never taught we can break the letter of the law, as if it would ever be okay to worship other gods, or commit murder or adultery etc. He taught not to break the least of these commandments Mat 5:19 as it shows an unchanged heart. Someone with Gods laws in their heart is keeping them through love and faith 1 John 5:3 John 14:15 Exo 20:6 and by the power of the Holy Spirit John 14:15-18 if we cooperate.

I think the renewing of the mind is utterly about coming to know God's Person, The Holy Spirit. As for cooperation, that would probably be contingent upon thoroughly acknowledging that first. Why would God restore to us virtues that we would only squander again without first addressing the vanity of the carnal mind?

I think Paul summed it up nicely here:

Rom 6:1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin that grace may abound? 2 Certainly not! How shall we who died to sin live any longer in it? 3 Or do you not know that as many of us as were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into His death? 4 Therefore we were buried with Him through baptism into death, that just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.

This is a perfect scripture to make the point that grace is not meant to infer sin is okay. However, I don't see how it addresses why one should desire to be under grace rather than under the law. Perhaps we don't see grace the same way. I believe Grace is necessary to justify sinners, showing mercy, forbearance, understanding and forgiveness. Therefore, being baptized into his death can also infer we must suffer the sins of the world upon ourselves, his body, to be justified. How will we understand being justified by his resurrection, if we don't acknowledge that we sinned because first we were deceived?

We all have sinned and deserve death, why we are all living in grace, not so we can continue sinning, otherwise Christ died in vain.

The works of the law Paul was referring to was being circumcised in order to be saved, not dishonoring God by breaking His commandments Rom 2:21-23 and sinning Rom 7:7 and being an enmity to God Rom 8:7-8

No one is saved by law-keeping, we are said by grace through faith. Our faith is demonstrated by our fruits and good works. Someone who has good fruit would not be sinning and breaking God's law, they would be abiding in Christ and if we abide in Him we would be keeping the commandments, the same ones He kept as He is our example in all things and showed us how someone who is righteous lives. John 15:4-10 1 John 2:6

I see the experience of repentance and eventual transformation into Christ as a process being performed by the workings of the Holy Spirit (Glory be to God). I think we are in agreement there. I want to project that there is a Truth that exposes the lies that prompt sinful desires and actions so that such desires won't form. For example, Jesus said that the sick need a doctor. It therefore wouldn't make sense to tell someone who is depraved to not sin (keep the law), especially when the scripture is teaching that The Spirit of Truth is necessary to heal this disability.