If you commit sin are you still of God? Yes or no

[FutureAndAHope]

If you commit sin are you still of God?

Yes or no

and discussion

The goal of the Christian should be to have no known sin.

2Ti 2:19 Nevertheless the solid foundation of God stands, having this seal: "The Lord knows those who are His," and, "Let everyone who names the name of Christ depart from iniquity."

However,

Ecc 7:20 For there is not a just man on earth who does good And does not sin.

We will all stumble into sin at some point in our lives. In those circumstances, we can be assured that:

1Jn 1:9 If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

God is faithful sticks with us, and is just, does not deprive us of forgiveness. But His goal is to "cleanse" us, not leave us in the sin.

 

[FutureAndAHope]

And 1 John 5:18 says , We know that whosoever is BORN of God sinneth NOT // OU , is a DISJUNCATIVE PARTICLE NEGATIVE

and that OU , MEANS yu neverrrrrrrrrrrrrr EVER can never ever SIN .

That is what 1 John 5 :18 means .

The question is , does verse 18 mean it is for today ?

Is it for tomorrow , maybe ??

Your thoughts as to when it happens ??

dan p

This should be the standard for the Christian, a sinless life. But Christians can fall into sin:

1Jn 5:16 If anyone sees his brother sinning a sin which does not lead to death, he will ask, and He will give him life for those who commit sin not leading to death. There is sin leading to death. I do not say that he should pray about that.

If someone commits a sin and does not die in it, we are to seek their restoration.

1Jn 1: 8-9 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

If we think we are "sinless" we deceive ourselves.

1Jn 2:1 My little children, these things I write to you, so that you may not sin. And if anyone sins, we have an Advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous.

Paul wrote to the church saying that "[they should] not sin", BUT if "anyone sins" we have someone who speaks on our behalf to forgive us, Jesus.

 

[Dan Perez]

This should be the standard for the Christian, a sinless life. But Christians can fall into sin:

1Jn 5:16 If anyone sees his brother sinning a sin which does not lead to death, he will ask, and He will give him life for those who commit sin not leading to death. There is sin leading to death. I do not say that he should pray about that.

If someone commits a sin and does not die in it, we are to seek their restoration.

1Jn 1: 8-9 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

If we think we are "sinless" we deceive ourselves.

1Jn 2:1 My little children, these things I write to you, so that you may not sin. And if anyone sins, we have an Advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous.

Paul wrote to the church saying that "[they should] not sin", BUT if "anyone sins" we have someone who speaks on our behalf to forgive us, Jesus.

And in 1 John 5:18 says We know that WHOSOEVER is n BORN of God SINNETH , NOT //OU in the Greek text , is a

a DISJUNCATIVE PARTICLE NEGATIVE and means that person will never ever sin !!

That the begotten of God KEEPETH // TEREO , is in the Greek PRESENT TENSE , ACTIVE VOICE , meaning it is God is doing

the keeking and in the INDICATIVE MOOD means you better believe it and in the Greek SINGULAR , meaning happens

only one Time , WHY ?? Because 1 John happens during the GREAT TRIBULATION

And Paul did not write to the EKKLESIA // means ASSEMBLE , EKK means OUT and LESIA . means a calling !!

dan p

 

[FutureAndAHope]

And in 1 John 5:18 says We know that WHOSOEVER is n BORN of God SINNETH , NOT //OU in the Greek text , is a

a DISJUNCATIVE PARTICLE NEGATIVE and means that person will never ever sin !!

That the begotten of God KEEPETH // TEREO , is in the Greek PRESENT TENSE , ACTIVE VOICE , meaning it is God is doing

the keeking and in the INDICATIVE MOOD means you better believe it and in the Greek SINGULAR , meaning happens

only one Time , WHY ?? Because 1 John happens during the GREAT TRIBULATION

And Paul did not write to the EKKLESIA // means ASSEMBLE , EKK means OUT and LESIA . means a calling !!

dan p

What does this mean:

1Jn 2:1 My little children, these things I write to you, so that you may not sin. And if anyone sins, we have an Advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous.

Can a Christian fall into sin, yes/no?

 

[Dan Perez]

What does this mean:

1Jn 2:1 My little children, these things I write to you, so that you may not sin. And if anyone sins, we have an Advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous.

Can a Christian fall into sin, yes/no?

And many believers sin and 1 Cor 5:1-5 says so ??

In verse 5:5 where does your spirit GO when you die ?

And you never SINNED ??

If so , how did you do that , with a verse or try reading 1 Jhon 5:18 !

Question , where are those in 1 Jhon 5:18 happened to live ?

And wrote that we MAY NOT SIN , which is not in the Greek TEXT , what happened ?

dan p

 

[FutureAndAHope]

And many believers sin and 1 Cor 5:1-5 says so ??

In verse 5:5 where does your spirit GO when you die ?

1Co 5:5 deliver such a one to Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that his spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.​

That verse says that when a person is in "gross sin", they should be delivered to Satan, for the destruction of the flesh. That is talking about removing the spiritual protection from the sinning believer, so they "feel" the destruction to which they are headed. This destruction brought about by Satan should drive the believer back to obedience.

And you never SINNED ??

If so , how did you do that , with a verse or try reading 1 Jhon 5:18 !

Question , where are those in 1 Jhon 5:18 happened to live ?

And wrote that we MAY NOT SIN , which is not in the Greek TEXT , what happened ?

dan p

You also miss the verse above that one which says if we see a "brother" sinning a sin, so brothers can sin, yes. We are to pray for their restoration.

1Jn 5:16 If anyone sees his brother sinning a sin which does not lead to death, he will ask, and He will give him life for those who commit sin not leading to death. There is sin leading to death. I do not say that he should pray about that.​

Restoration to what?

1Jn 5:18 We know that whoever is born of God does not sin; but he who has been born of God keeps himself, and the wicked one does not touch him.​

Restoration to the fact that a Christian should not have habitual sin. That God's Holy Spirit preserves such a one, and Satan has no right to touch them.

But you remove all references to the fact that a Christian may fall into sin, and need restoration.

1Jn 1:9 If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.​

Don't you realise that your doctrine is preventing genuine believers from receiving forgiveness and God's restoration?

 

[BNR32FAN]

If you commit sin are you still of God?

Yes or no

and discussion

I think it depends on the sin and why it was committed. If we deny Christ or blaspheme God then there’s a good chance that your not of God anymore.

 

[Dan Perez]

What does this mean:

1Jn 2:1 My little children, these things I write to you, so that you may not sin. And if anyone sins, we have an Advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous.

Can a Christian fall into sin, yes/no?

And this what 1 John 2:1 really means when any one CHECKS the Greek Text !!

That if you SIN // HAMARTANO , and the Greek word is in the Greek AORIST TENSE and these means that any one HAD

sins in his life before BEING saved you had and ADVOCATE // PARAKLETOS

with the FATHER // PATAR , is in the ACCUSATIVE CASE and in the SINGULAR

dan p

 

[Der Alte]

And it does mean NEVER and KNEW HER ( meaning he did not had SEX ) , UNTIL she had BROUGHTTTTTTT FORTHHHHHHHHHHH HER FIRST BORN

SONNNNNN and the Greek word O U is USED 6597 times in the bible , G3750 !!

dan p

I know I have already replied to this but I want to add to my previous response.

ουχ ① a simple negative, not (so in many of the pass.​

William Arndt et al., A Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament and Other Early Christian Literature (Chicago: University of Chicago Press, 2000), 742.​

 

[FutureAndAHope]

And this what 1 John 2:1 really means when any one CHECKS the Greek Text !!

That if you SIN // HAMARTANO , and the Greek word is in the Greek AORIST TENSE and these means that any one HAD

sins in his life before BEING saved you had and ADVOCATE // PARAKLETOS

with the FATHER // PATAR , is in the ACCUSATIVE CASE and in the SINGULAR

dan p

The word you say means "past sin" is not correct at all, its usage is found in:

ἁμάρτῃ (hamartē) — 2 Occurrences
Luke 17:3 V-ASA-3S
GRK: ἑαυτοῖς ἐὰν ἁμάρτῃ ὁ ἀδελφός
NAS: your brother sins, rebuke
KJV: thy brother trespass against thee,
INT: to yourselves if should sin the brother

It is translated as "should sin".

 

[d taylor]

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If a person has believed in Jesus for Eternal Life and when they sin, they are still a born again child of God.

Now if the person has never believed in Jesus, but they are a committed person to God. Then sin is not their problem because Jesus does not know them.

 

[Dan Perez]

What does this mean:

1Jn 2:1 My little children, these things I write to you, so that you may not sin. And if anyone sins, we have an Advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous.

Can a Christian fall into sin, yes/no?

And this what 1 John 2:1 really means when any one CECKS the Greek Text !!

That if you SIN // HAMARTANO is in the AORIST TENSE talking about PAST sins committed BEFORE being saved and 1 JOHN
5:18 makes sense that those that will be living during the Great Tribulation will never sin !!

No one that is saved by God will punch as Paul wrote in 1 Cor 5:1-5 that that persons spirit will be SAVED in the DAY

OF The Lord Jesus >

The unbeliever SOUL goes to HADES !!

His BODY goes to a GRAVE !!

His spirit goes back to Christ that gave it to him , ECCL 12:7 !!

So where does a believers spirit go at DEATH ??

dan p





dan p

 

[BelieveItOarKnot]

The goal of the Christian should be to have no known sin.

That only means lying to ourselves and others. Hardly a Christian goal

Paul termed himself the present tense chief of sinners in 1 Tim. 1:15 and said we're no better in Romans 3:9

No one other than Jesus is sinless in this present life. Mark 7:21-23 is reality for everyone

 

[Dan Perez]

The word you say means "past sin" is not correct at all, its usage is found in:

ἁμάρτῃ (hamartē) — 2 Occurrences
Luke 17:3 V-ASA-3S
GRK: ἑαυτοῖς ἐὰν ἁμάρτῃ ὁ ἀδελφός
NAS: your brother sins, rebuke
KJV: thy brother trespass against thee,
INT: to yourselves if should sin the brother

It is translated as "should sin".

And look and 1 John 2:1 DOES NOT have word SHOULD !!

And let those that look at the Greek Text of 1 John 2:1 will see it contradict 1 John 5:18 !!

dan p

 

[FutureAndAHope]

That only means lying to ourselves and others. Hardly a Christian goal

Wrong. I don't know of any current willful sin in my life. If I sin I am quick to repent and go back to a state of sinlessness.

Paul termed himself the present tense chief of sinners in 1 Tim. 1:15 and said we're no better in Romans 3:9

Paul said he was the chief of sinners because he persecuted the church. He also said in scripture:

1Co 4:4 For I know of nothing against myself, yet I am not justified by this; but He who judges me is the Lord.

No one other than Jesus is sinless in this present life. Mark 7:21-23 is reality for everyone

True, no one is sinless, but our goal according to scripture IS to be without sin.

1Jn 2:3 Now by this we know that we know Him, if we keep His commandments.
1Jn 2:4 He who says, "I know Him," and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
1Jn 2:5 But whoever keeps His word, truly the love of God is perfected in him. By this we know that we are in Him.
1Jn 2:6 He who says he abides in Him ought himself also to walk just as He walked.

 

[FutureAndAHope]

And look and 1 John 2:1 DOES NOT have word SHOULD !!

And let those that look at the Greek Text of 1 John 2:1 will see it contradict 1 John 5:18 !!

dan p

Dan let's look at the scripture:

1Jn 2:1-2 My little children, these things I write to you, so that you may not sin. And if anyone sins, we have an Advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous. And He Himself is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the whole world.​

It is clear in it's context that John is saying a) we should not sin, but b) if we do Jesus is our defense. Note in 1 John 2:2 Jesus is the propitiation for OUR SINS, not only ours but the world.

The bible is clear we should be walking without "known sin", but if we stumble God will forgive us. Does He leave us in the sin? No not at all, He cleanses us.

But even in this we are not justified by our human perfection, our ability to keep the law.

Gal 5:4 You have become estranged from Christ, you who attempt to be justified by law; you have fallen from grace.​

Gal 5:5 For we through the Spirit eagerly wait for the hope of righteousness by faith.​

Gal 5:6 For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision avails anything, but faith working through love.​

What is Galatians saying, we can't work our way to God, God's Spirit works in us to perfect us. Our faith in God gives God access to move in our lives, and make the changes that are required.

 

[FutureAndAHope]

And look and 1 John 2:1 DOES NOT have word SHOULD !!

And let those that look at the Greek Text of 1 John 2:1 will see it contradict 1 John 5:18 !!

dan p

It certainly does not have the meaning past

 

[BelieveItOarKnot]

Wrong. I don't know of any current willful sin in my life. If I sin I am quick to repent and go back to a state of sinlessness.

Are you denying the previous citings? And claiming sinlessness? Just to be clear

 

[FutureAndAHope]

Are you denying the previous citings? And claiming sinlessness? Just to be clear

I am claiming I have no known sin in my life. As Paul did. Yet as he said, he was not justified by that, but by the cross.

1Co 4:2 Moreover it is required in stewards that one be found faithful.
1Co 4:3 But with me it is a very small thing that I should be judged by you or by a human court. In fact, I do not even judge myself.
1Co 4:4 For I know of nothing against myself, yet I am not justified by this; but He who judges me is the Lord.
1Co 4:5 Therefore judge nothing before the time, until the Lord comes, who will both bring to light the hidden things of darkness and reveal the counsels of the hearts. Then each one's praise will come from God.

So no I am not claiming sinlessness.

 

[Dan Perez]

I know I have already replied to this but I want to add to my previous response.

ουχ ① a simple negative, not (so in many of the pass.​

William Arndt et al., A Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament and Other Early Christian Literature (Chicago: University of Chicago Press, 2000), 742.​

AND 1 john 5:18 , and it means what it says . yes or no ??

dan p