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Well, maybe if you have the flu then you don't take any precautions. You don't avoid close contact with family and friends. You don't self isolate. You still go to the cinema or the restaurant and you don't use a handkerchief or tissues. Maybe that's the way you operate.

If I am sick, I stay home.

Why are you being dishonest? I just said that when I cough and sneeze I do so into either a tissue or my upper sleeve, as the CDC has recommended for decades.

Why are you pretending like a 6-foot social distancing rule that "just sort of appeared" is in any way similar to staying home and away from people when you're not feeling well?
 
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Pregnancy isn't contagious. COVID was spread quickly. Hospitals were full. People were dying.
Because the former president looked at COVID as an economic problem that would create vacancies in his hotels and slow the economy, we had the highest death rates in the developed world. And people were confused and didn't know what to do.
If someone's actions harm others, it is everyone's business.
And business openings were further delayed when people failed to wear masks and social distance.
Flouting laws is a new conservative act of defiance. My state actually passed a law saying that any gun laws passed after July, 2021 would not be valid in the state. Texas does the same. This shouldn't happen. Rebellious conservative governments can't decide what laws they won't follow.
Bit to return to the subject, if you put others in danger it is my business.




I don't expect to change minds with this. I don't care.

Because the former president looked at COVID as an economic problem that would create vacancies in his hotels and slow the economy...”
Not a Trump voter however one of the things he said was, “don't let the cure be worse than the problem itself.”

When you attribute his reason to be concern simply for his business you make an assumption that has no foundation in reality, unless of course you were given a word from God or are a mind reader.
Business is in business to make profit and some destroyed not only the economy but the education of many children.

Rebellious conservative governments.”
Those pesky free thinkers...


It has been said that “The worlds largest drug cartel locked us in our homes, then forced us to take their drugs.” The US government.

Vaccines may have contributed to rise in COVID excess deaths
Researchers from the Netherlands analysed excess all-cause mortality in 47 countries between 2020 and 2022, when there were just under 3.1 million total excess deaths recorded, with the trend continuing “despite the implementation of containment measures and Covid-19 vaccines”.
Writing in the journal BMJ Public Health on Monday, the team from Vrije Universiteit in Amsterdam noted that the highest number of excess deaths, 1.26 million, was recorded in 2021 when both containment measures and vaccines were used to tackle the virus.
This is compared with 1.03 million in 2020 prior to the vaccine rollout, and 808,400 in 2022 when most lockdown measures were lifted but vaccination continued.
“This is unprecedented and raises serious concerns,” they wrote.

“During the pandemic, it was emphasised by politicians and the media on a daily basis that every Covid-19 death mattered and every life deserved protection through containment measures and Covid-19 vaccines...
The authors noted previous research “confirmed profound under-reporting of adverse events, including deaths, after immunisation”, and that there was lack of consensus in the medical community “regarding concerns that mRNA vaccines might cause more harm than initially forecasted”.
They pointed to secondary analysis of data from Pfizer and Moderna vaccine trials that previously identified heightened risk of serious adverse events such as ischaemic stroke, acute coronary syndrome and brain haemorrhage, all of which are common clinical conditions.
“This commonality hinders clinical suspicion and consequently its detection as adverse vaccine reactions,” they said.
“Both medical professionals and citizens have reported serious injuries and deaths following vaccination to various official databases in the western world.

“A study comparing adverse event reports to VAERS and EudraVigilance following mRNA Covid-19 vaccines versus influenza vaccines observed a higher risk of serious adverse reactions for Covid-19 vaccines.”
These reactions included cardiovascular diseases, coagulation, haemorrhages, gastrointestinal events and thromboses.
“Numerous studies reported that Covid-19 vaccination may induce myocarditis, pericarditis and auto-immune diseases,” they said.
“Post-mortem examinations have also ascribed myocarditis, encephalitis, immune thrombotic thrombocytopenia, intracranial haemorrhage and diffuse thrombosis to Covid-19 vaccinations.
“The Food and Drug Administration noted in July 2021 that the following potentially serious adverse events of Pfizer vaccines deserve further monitoring and investigation: pulmonary embolism, acute myocardial infarction, immune thrombocytopenia and disseminated intravascular coagulation.”

The Australian Senate in March established an inquiry into excess mortality, following several attempts by United Australia Party Senator Ralph Babet to get the probe off the ground. The inquiry, which is due to hand down its final report by August 31, has received detailed submissions from the Australian government rejecting any link between vaccines and excess deaths.

“There is no credible evidence to suggest that Covid-19 vaccines have contributed to excess deaths in Australia or overseas,” the Health Department said in its submission.
Then again, that's just another government.
 
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How long do you suppose your mask is "efficient" (I think the word you're looking for here is effective) while you wear it?
A lot longer than a handkerchief or a tissue. So if you used a handkerchief when you had even a simple cold, then why were you doing so? To protect the people with whom you were in contact. You still do it. Nobody says that you must, but you do it out of common courtesy for those with whom you are interacting.

Do you use a handkerchief instead of just turning aside? Well, yes, you'd do both. Because that's more effective. But if a mask is even more effective you wouldn't? Because it's less efficient the longer you use it? Well, well done you for checking that out. Just like you wouldn't keep a sodden handkerchief in your pocket you feel it's more efficient to change your mask regularly.

I hope you encouraged people to do that.
 
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If I am sick, I stay home.
Yeah, it's called isolating. And I stayed home for a couple of days myself when my wife first caught this bug I had because I almost certainly would have picked it up from her. I cancelled a couple of events I was to attend. Not because I felt sick but because I might have been symptomatic.
Why are you being dishonest? I just said that when I cough and sneeze I do so into either a tissue or my upper sleeve, as the CDC has recommended for decades.
So if they say you should use a tissue, you'll do that. Because they recommend it. It's not really efficient, but hey, every little helps. But a mask, which is more efficient? Well, no. You won't be dictated to.
Why are you pretending like a 6-foot social distancing rule that "just sort of appeared" is in any way similar to staying home and away from people when you're not feeling well?
People keep their distance from someone who is sick. Common sense. You don't go up and give them a hug. You stay away. How far? Well, I dunno, it's pretty arbitrary, but let's put a figure on it so people recognise the need. It's easier to say 'Stay 2m apart' rather than 'keep a reasonable distance away'.

Maybe you ignored that as well? Maybe you thought you could decide what a reasonable distance was. Who knows.
 
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A lot longer than a handkerchief or a tissue.

About 15-20 minutes, according to the article I just posted.

So if you used a handkerchief when you had even a simple cold, then why were you doing so? To protect the people with whom you were in contact. You still do it. Nobody says that you must, but you do it out of common courtesy for those with whom you are interacting.

Sure. Because it's effective to reduce droplet transmission. Turning your head away from people when you sneeze has been a public health recommendation for decades. OTOH, viruses that are aerosolized pass right through (and around, and under, and over) your mask UNLESS you are wearing a fit-tested, sealed N95 mask, in which case you MIGHT have some personal protection. But it's not a courtesy to others. It's mostly to act as a security blanket for people who are acting irrationally.

'We are entrenching bad behaviour'

However, other studies have cast doubt on their effectiveness. A subsequent Danish study involving 6,000 people concluded that there was no statistical difference in infection spread in non-wearers, while data on US states with non-mandated usage failed to show a correlated uptick in cases.
"The public were demanding something must be done, they got masks, it is just a comfort blanket," Dr Axon noted. "But now it is entrenched, and we are entrenching bad behaviour.
"All around the world you can look at mask mandates and superimpose on infection rates, you cannot see that mask mandates made any effect whatsoever.
"The best thing you can say about any mask is that any positive effect they do have is too small to be measured."

Do you use a handkerchief instead of just turning aside? Well, yes, you'd do both. Because that's more effective. But if a mask is even more effective you wouldn't?

But a mask ISN'T more effective. A Cochrane review on masking which was originally authored in 2006 found no benefit to masking to help with the spread of viral illness. It was updated during COVID. Spoiler alert: There is still no evidence.

There is uncertainty about the effects of face masks. The low to moderate certainty of evidence means our confidence in the effect estimate is limited, and that the true effect may be different from the observed estimate of the effect. The pooled results of RCTs did not show a clear reduction in respiratory viral infection with the use of medical/surgical masks. There were no clear differences between the use of medical/surgical masks compared with N95/P2 respirators in healthcare workers when used in routine care to reduce respiratory viral infection.


Again, this review was originally published on October 18, 2006. It has since been reviewed in 2007, 2010, 2011, 2020 and 2023. The results have not changed. Of course, no one cared about this review or questioned it until COVID, because it was well-known that masking to prevent viral illness was of marginal benefit.
 
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I don't expect to change minds with this. I don't care.

Because the former president looked at COVID as an economic problem that would create vacancies in his hotels and slow the economy...”
Not a Trump voter however one of the things he said was, “don't let the cure be worse than the problem itself.”

When you attribute his reason to be concern simply for his business you make an assumption that has no foundation in reality, unless of course you were given a word from God or are a mind reader.
Business is in business to make profit and some destroyed not only the economy but the education of many children.

Rebellious conservative governments.”
Those pesky free thinkers...


It has been said that “The worlds largest drug cartel locked us in our homes, then forced us to take their drugs.” The US government.

Vaccines may have contributed to rise in COVID excess deaths
Researchers from the Netherlands analysed excess all-cause mortality in 47 countries between 2020 and 2022, when there were just under 3.1 million total excess deaths recorded, with the trend continuing “despite the implementation of containment measures and Covid-19 vaccines”.
Writing in the journal BMJ Public Health on Monday, the team from Vrije Universiteit in Amsterdam noted that the highest number of excess deaths, 1.26 million, was recorded in 2021 when both containment measures and vaccines were used to tackle the virus.
This is compared with 1.03 million in 2020 prior to the vaccine rollout, and 808,400 in 2022 when most lockdown measures were lifted but vaccination continued.
“This is unprecedented and raises serious concerns,” they wrote.

“During the pandemic, it was emphasised by politicians and the media on a daily basis that every Covid-19 death mattered and every life deserved protection through containment measures and Covid-19 vaccines...
The authors noted previous research “confirmed profound under-reporting of adverse events, including deaths, after immunisation”, and that there was lack of consensus in the medical community “regarding concerns that mRNA vaccines might cause more harm than initially forecasted”.
They pointed to secondary analysis of data from Pfizer and Moderna vaccine trials that previously identified heightened risk of serious adverse events such as ischaemic stroke, acute coronary syndrome and brain haemorrhage, all of which are common clinical conditions.
“This commonality hinders clinical suspicion and consequently its detection as adverse vaccine reactions,” they said.
“Both medical professionals and citizens have reported serious injuries and deaths following vaccination to various official databases in the western world.

“A study comparing adverse event reports to VAERS and EudraVigilance following mRNA Covid-19 vaccines versus influenza vaccines observed a higher risk of serious adverse reactions for Covid-19 vaccines.”
These reactions included cardiovascular diseases, coagulation, haemorrhages, gastrointestinal events and thromboses.
“Numerous studies reported that Covid-19 vaccination may induce myocarditis, pericarditis and auto-immune diseases,” they said.
“Post-mortem examinations have also ascribed myocarditis, encephalitis, immune thrombotic thrombocytopenia, intracranial haemorrhage and diffuse thrombosis to Covid-19 vaccinations.
“The Food and Drug Administration noted in July 2021 that the following potentially serious adverse events of Pfizer vaccines deserve further monitoring and investigation: pulmonary embolism, acute myocardial infarction, immune thrombocytopenia and disseminated intravascular coagulation.”

The Australian Senate in March established an inquiry into excess mortality, following several attempts by United Australia Party Senator Ralph Babet to get the probe off the ground. The inquiry, which is due to hand down its final report by August 31, has received detailed submissions from the Australian government rejecting any link between vaccines and excess deaths.

“There is no credible evidence to suggest that Covid-19 vaccines have contributed to excess deaths in Australia or overseas,” the Health Department said in its submission.
Then again, that's just another government.

You are dismissing those (many) bodies who disagree with the Dutch findings because "that's just another government". It would be equally senseless to argue that the Dutch findings are wrong because "that's just another government funded University" Both statements amount to conspiracy theories.

Its also worth noting that the Dutch study doesn't dispute that Covid vaccine saved lives. Even if we assume some fatalities directly related to the vaccine there is no suggestion that these deaths came near to the number of lives saved by the vaccine.

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Yeah, it's called isolating. And I stayed home for a couple of days myself when my wife first caught this bug I had because I almost certainly would have picked it up from her. I cancelled a couple of events I was to attend. Not because I felt sick but because I might have been symptomatic.

You made all of those choices. Just like when I'm not feeling well. Good for you.

So if they say you should use a tissue, you'll do that. Because they recommend it. It's not really efficient, but hey, every little helps. But a mask, which is more efficient? Well, no. You won't be dictated to.

A mask is not more efficient. You seem unwilling (unable?) to accept this established fact.

People keep their distance from someone who is sick. Common sense. You don't go up and give them a hug. You stay away.

Yeah, that's not true. When my kids are sick, I take care of them. I hug them. I let them lay on my lap. When my wife is sick, we still sleep in the same bed. We comfort each other when one is not feeling well because that's what compassionate human beings do and have done for generations. Sometimes I get sick too. Sometimes I don't. But I'm not going to shun my children and my spouse because they don't feel well.

How far? Well, I dunno, it's pretty arbitrary, but let's put a figure on it so people recognise the need. It's easier to say 'Stay 2m apart' rather than 'keep a reasonable distance away'.

They didn't just put a number on it. It was mandated. Schools couldn't function normally. Stickers were placed on the floor. "Social distancing" has always meant keep yo'self at home if you're not feeling well.
 
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I'm making another one now. Based on the amount of time I've already wasted on this discussion.

You remind me of a friend that I used to play baseball with in my backyard when I was a kid.

Anyway, I'm also making another decision. Since I'm leaving for Hawaii tomorrow morning to celebrate 25 years of wedded bliss with my lovely bride, I won't be around for a week or so.

Later.
 
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You are dismissing those (many) bodies who disagree with the Dutch findings because "that's just another government". It would be equally senseless to argue that the Dutch findings are wrong because "that's just another government funded University" Both statements amount to conspiracy theories.

Its also worth noting that the Dutch study doesn't dispute that Covid vaccine saved lives. Even if we assume some fatalities directly related to the vaccine there is no suggestion that these deaths came near to the number of lives saved by the vaccine.

OB
The article was about excess deaths relating to other causes including vaccines. It suggested further study.
“Unfortunately, vaccines are rarely studied for their ‘non-specific effects’ (such as potentially causing) patients to become more susceptible to other diseases,” Coverse said.
“Our government agencies and officials claim that the current excess mortality statistics do not implicate the Covid-19 vaccines as an identifiable driver, yet no studies are being undertaken into such non-specific effects. We imagine that they simply do not want to even consider these types of studies as their reputations are very much tied with the implementation of the Covid-19 vaccines in Australia.”

This is a bit of a read concerning the suppression of dissension of opposing views. Here are excerpts. For this one of several
... These are just some of the many examples of censorship related to COVID-19. Beyond the large scale of the censorship phenomenon, and the wide involvement of tech companies in it, another unique characteristic of COVID-related censorship is its targets. Many of the doctors and researchers being censored by the world’s biggest technology companies are not fringe figures. As in the examples above, these are mainstream scientists, many of them leading experts working in prestigious universities and/or hospitals, some of whom have authored books and published dozens or even hundreds of papers and whose studies have been widely cited. Some of them are editors of scientific/medical journals and some are heads of medical wards or clinics.
This heavy censorship was done with the encouragement of governments (Bose 2021; O’Neill 2021), which cooperated with tech companies such as Facebook, Twitter, and Google. For example, on March 7, 2022, US Surgeon General Vivek Murthy called on tech companies to report “health misinformation” to the federal government and to step up their efforts to remove it (Pavlich 2022). Subsequently, e-mails released from legal proceedings have documented the ways in which government officials directly coordinated with tech companies like Twitter and Facebook to censor doctors, scientists and journalists (Lungariello and Chamberlain 2022; Ramaswamy and Rubenfeld 2022). In December 2021, an e-mail from the fall of 2020 was released via a Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) request. It revealed a behind-the-scenes effort by Francis Collins, then head of the National Institutes of Health (NIH), to his colleague, Anthony Fauci, head of NIAID, to discredit the Great Barrington Declaration and disparage its authors. In the email, Collins told Fauci that “this proposal from the three fringe epidemiologists … seems to be getting a lot of attention,” adding that “there needs to be a quick and devastating published takedown of its premises. I don’t see anything like that online yet—is it underway?” (Wall Street Journal 2021).
Practices of censorship have also been used by the Israeli Ministry of Health (IMOH) and media against doctors and researchers whose views run counter to institutional orthodoxy. One such example is the Israeli Public Emergency Council for the Covid19 Crisis. The organization, which consists of leading doctors and scientists, was targeted by the IMOH and the media numerous times, including attacks on individual members of the organization (Reisfeld 2021).
Go to:

Censorship, the Backfire Effect and Public Outrage​

COVID-19 censorship is, in part, an exclusion of the views of dissident experts as well as citizens who question the standard position. This type of censorship has been a feature of many other controversial areas in science and medicine, such as AIDS, environmental studies, fluoridation, and vaccination (Delborne 2016; Elisha et al. 2021, 2022; Kuehn 2004; Martin 1991, 1999; Vernon 2017). In fact, censorship has a long history, and its purpose is to suppress free speech, publications and other forms of expression of unwanted ideas and positions that may be perceived as a threat to powerful bodies such as governments and corporations.
Censorship of opposing or alternative opinions and views can be harmful to the public (Elisha et al. 2022), especially during crisis situations such as epidemics, which are characterized by great uncertainties, since it may lead to important views, information and scientific evidence being disregarded. Furthermore, the denial or silencing of contrary views can elicit public mistrust (Gesser-Edelsburg and Shir-Raz 2016; Wynne 2001). Studies have indicated that in situations of risk, especially risk that involves uncertainty, the public prefers full transparency of information, including different views, and that providing it does not raise negative reactions in terms of behaviour, but rather, helps reduce negative feelings and increases the public’s respect for the risk-assessing agency (De Vocht et al. 2014; Lofstedt 2006; Slovic 1994). As Wynne (2001) warns, institutional science’s attempts to exaggerate its intellectual control and use knowledge as justification for policy commitments, while ignoring its limits, only alienates the public and increases mistrust...

Considering the extent of censorship reported during the COVID-19 era, and in particular the number of accomplished doctors and scientists censored and silenced, as well as the extensive involvement of tech companies, on the one hand, and governments, on the other, it is worthwhile investigating this phenomenon. The present study is designed to explore the subjective perceptions of well-credentialed, highly accomplished mainstream doctors and scientists who have experienced censorship and/or suppression after expressing non-orthodox positions regarding the handling of the COVID-19 pandemic, and how they dealt with it. Through interviews, we examine censorship tactics used by the medical establishment and the media (both mainstream and social media), and the counter-tactics employed by their targets...

Tactics of censorship and suppression described by our respondents include exclusion, derogatory labelling, hostile comments and threatening statements by the media, both mainstream and social; dismissal by the respondents’ employers; official inquiries; revocation of medical licenses; lawsuits; and retraction of scientific papers after publication.

Exclusion​

Respondents reported how, at a very early stage of the epidemic, when they just began to express criticism or their different position, they were surprised to discover that the mainstream media, which until then had seen them as desirable interviewees, stopped interviewing them and accepting opinion pieces from them:
Neither X nor Y [two central newspapers in the respondent's country] wanted to publish my articles. Without a proper explanation. Just stopped receiving articles. It was quite blatant, that they stopped accepting articles expressing a different opinion from that of the ministry of health (MOH). The number of journalists who can really be talked to, who are willing to listen to another opinion, to publish, has been greatly reduced, and most health reporters today are very biased towards the MOH (#10).

Denigration​

Respondents reported that exclusion was only the first step: shortly after that they started being subjected to defamation by the media, and disparaged as “anti-vaxxers,” “Covid deniers,” “dis/misinformation spreaders” and/or “conspiracy theorists”:
After that report came out…, I was front page of the Sunday Times… it said… X [the respondent name], a professor in A [the institution this respondent works in] is co-author of anti vax report… I was now, yeah…, I was told I was anti-vaccine (#9).
I have been vilified.… I’ve been called a quack…, an anti-vaxxer and a COVID denier, a conspiracy theorist (#13).


Recruiting “Third Parties” to Assist in Discrediting​

One prominent tactic our respondents claim was used by the media to discredit them was the use of seemingly independent “third party sources,” such as other doctors, to undermine them, for example by writing defamatory articles:
I was shocked at what came out the next day in The Wall Street Journal… So here we had three of the most senior doctors with hundreds and hundreds of publications and scientific credibility to our resumes and …a major media outlet allowed a junior doctor to publish who has no academic standing or track record…[and] have him publish a defamatory piece (#6).
Another “third party” source used by the media, according to our respondents, was “fact-checking” organizations, a practice that is ostensibly meant to verify published information to promote the veracity of reporting. However, some respondents alleged that the fact-checking groups were recruited and operated by corporate or other stakeholders to discredit them and try to discredit the information they presented:
…the fact checkers are a source of misinformation, so though it may review something and say, Dr. X said something, but… they make a counterclaim. The counter claims are never cited in the data… they all trace back to the vaccine manufacturers or the vaccine stakeholders (#6).
you get the fact checkers…

The treatment of those who did not subscribe to the chosen narrative went way beyond dismissive. That was just another government spewing the approved narrative.
 
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If I am sick, I stay home.

Why are you being dishonest? I just said that when I cough and sneeze I do so into either a tissue or my upper sleeve, as the CDC has recommended for decades.

Why are you pretending like a 6-foot social distancing rule that "just sort of appeared" is in any way similar to staying home and away from people when you're not feeling well?
Fresh air and exercise. Exercise May Ease COVID-19 and Long COVID Symptoms
...What’s interesting is that the number of symptoms reported decreased as physical activity went up: High-activity patients in the acute COVID-19 group had an average of 12 symptoms while low-activity patients reported 16. Moderate-activity patients were in the middle with an average of 13 symptoms.
Among the 50 different symptoms tracked in the study, over half of the participants reported fatigue, anxiety, dysmenorrhea (severe menstrual cramps), depressed mood, loss of interest/pleasure, and dizziness/lightheadedness during their COVID-19 infection. On average, patients reported 14 symptoms during acute COVID-19...
In those who experienced Long COVID—a group that averaged 12 symptoms—the authors found a similar trend: High-activity groups reported fewer symptoms (an average of 8) compared to low- and moderate-activity groups (11, 14, respectively).
 
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This snitching on neighbors during the pandemic in Minnesota reminds me of Hitler's Germany when citizens were encouraged to turn in the names and addresses of Jewish Germans.

Were snitched upon Minnesota citizens sent to the gas chamber?
(please don't insult the memory of those who perished in the holocaust with such cheap comparisons!)
 
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Were snitched upon Minnesota citizens sent to the gas chamber?
(please don't insult the memory of those who perished in the holocaust with such cheap comparisons!)
I said it reminds me of that history. I did NOT attempt to say it was the same thing and I did not intend for anyone to be insulted.
 
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I said it reminds me of that history. I did NOT attempt to say it was the same thing and I did not intend for anyone to be insulted.

...then maybe dial back your point of reference.

Reminds me of my local neighbor reporting me to the HOA for leaving my trash can out too long would be one example. Okay, maybe that is too minor....then again, do we know what consequence, if any, people who were reported faced?
 
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I said it reminds me of that history.
Yeah, when somebody said that there was a phone line set up in Minnesota to prevent the emergency services being inundated with people complaining about people not obeying medical mandates, the holocaust was exactly what popped into my mind as well.
 
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It's kinda wild when you think about it....right?

Monday- protest oppressive police
Tuesday- call snitch line because neighbor was spotted outside without mask

You'd think it would be difficult to understand but I've come to learn that "oppression" is anything they don't currently use for control and oppression.
 
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Most of the masks commonly used by most people are either ineffective, OR, those masks are used in effectively.

If they don't know the actual facts by now...I don't know if it's worth the time.
 
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...then maybe dial back your point of reference.

Reminds me of my local neighbor reporting me to the HOA for leaving my trash can out too long would be one example. Okay, maybe that is too minor....then again, do we know what consequence, if any, people who were reported faced?
Hopefully real judges were involved so nobody got imprisoned for life in a prison where the other inmates had been let go because of Covid.
 
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In other places they used a combination of mask, quarantine, more rigorous hygiene, social distancing and vaccination to minimise infection and death from Covid.

Based on the death rate these things didn't work in the US.

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They even tried fascistic threats of jail and fines.
 
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Hopefully real judges were involved so nobody got imprisoned for life in a prison where the other inmates had been let go because of Covid.

Ever find it odd that both staying at home and not going outside...and staying in prison are essentially the same thing?

We know that an indoor, close quarters environment was an increased risk for people to catch covid and die....

Yet we didn't say "go outside, avoid prolonged periods indoors".

In fact this same principle was applied as a reason stall the opening of many schools. Indoors with people = deadly danger.

But hey....your neighbor is outside on his back porch. Report that psychopathic killer on 1-800-Dem-Snitch.
 
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