Where was the Sabbath Abolished?

[CoreyD]

Where does that say the 10 commandments were changed? The context is the Levitical priestood.

Hebrews 9: 11 But Christ being come an high priest of good things to come, by a greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this building;

Jesus was born of the tribe of Judah, therefore the change of law referred to in Hebrews 7 is the law concerning the Levitical priesthood.

What Law is being referred to at Galatians 3:19-25?

 

[CoreyD]

God's righteousness is eternal (Psalms 119:142), therefore any laws that God has given for how to testify about His righteousness are also eternal (Psalms 119:160), and if those instructions were to ever change, then God's righteousness would not be eternal.

Does "any law" include the laws given, along with circumcision?

Sin was in the world before the law was given (Romans 5:13), so there were no actions that became righteous or sinful when the law was given, but rather the law revealed what has always been and will always be the way to do that. For example, it was sinful to commit adultery in Genesis 39:9, long before the Mosaic Covenant was made, during it, it remains sinful after it has become obsolete, and this will never change no matter how many covenants God makes or become obsolete and no matter how many priesthoods there are. So Hebrews 7:12 could not be referring to a change of the law in regard to its content, such as with it becoming righteous to commit adultery, sinful to help the poor, or unholy to keep the Sabbath, but rather the context is speaking in regard to the change of the priesthood, which would also require a change of the law in regard to its administration. Changing the priesthood does not suggest a change in the nature of who God is.

When you said, "the law revealed what has always been", I thought you were referring to Galatians 3:19.
Is that the Law you are referring to?
If so, what does Galatians 3:23-25 state happened to that Law?

 

[CoreyD]

You will find no Jewish source who agrees with you.

The sabbath was given to the Jews in Exodus and it has never applied to gentiles.

I think Exodus 5:3 speaks louder than anyone on these forums. One would have to be deaf not to hear it, or blind, not to see it.
Why not try it. Let the scriptures speak, and see what the response will be.

 

[CoreyD]

And how does this verse answer the scriptures in this post? Where was the Sabbath Abolished?


If one would carefully study and look at all of the context. Col 2:14-17 KJV Heb 10:1-10 clearly shows this is not about one of God's finger written and spoken commandments. Exodus 20 Exo 31:18 Exo 32:16, but ordinances- there is the weekly Sabbath commandment and the yearly sabbath(s) in ordinances the context if we study it shows which sabbath(s) its referring to. Obviously, this verse is not referring to the weekly Sabbath that ended at the cross, when the apostles kept every Sabbath decades later. Acts 18:4 Acts 13:42-44 Hard to make the case the weekly Sabbath is contrary and against when God blessed and sanctified the Sabbath day and made it holy. Gen 2:1-3 Exo 20:8-11 Only God can reverse a blessing Num 23:20 and please show where He did so in scripture. All the thus saith the Lords in scriptures tells us to keep the Sabbath and warns us not to profane His holy day (too many scriptures to list). I recommend a prayerful study on it. Is Jesus going to ask us to keep something in heaven that against us? Isa 66:22-23

What about "Thou shall not covet"?
That was written by God's finger, wasn't it?

At Romans 7:7 Paul said, "For I would not have known covetousness unless the law had said, “You shall not covet.”"

What Law?
The one of which he says, "But now we have been released from the Law, having died to that by which we were bound, so that we serve in newness of the Spirit and not in oldness of the letter." Romans 7:6

 

[CoreyD]

Really? How does that reconcile with the Second Coming of Jesus Christ? The commandments that are kept by God's faithful until the very end of time.

Revelation 22:14 Blessed are those who do His commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city.

God's holy Sabbath day is not going anywhere and will be continued to be kept for all eternity by His faithful Isa 66:22-23.

If the law goes, that means sin goes, that means no need for Jesus or His grace, that means we are all lost.

This concern is understandable, of those whom Paul needed to address In his third letter to the Galatians. Galatians 3:1-29

However, Paul was way ahead of your concerns.
Please read Romans 6:15-23. It starts with this:
15 What then? Shall we sin because we are not under law but under grace? Certainly not!

The law of Christ, is a law of freedom, but it is based on principle, so that you do not need a law telling you, "Do not covet. Do not steal. Do not murder. Do not commit adultery...."
Romans 13:9, 10
9 For the commandments, “You shall not commit adultery,” “You shall not murder,” “You shall not steal,” “You shall not bear false witness,” “You shall not covet,” and if there is any other commandment, are all summed up in this saying, namely, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.”
10 Love does no harm to a neighbor; therefore love is the fulfillment of the law.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

This concern is understandable, of those whom Paul needed to address In his third letter to the Galatians. Galatians 3:1-29

However, Paul was way ahead of your concerns.
Please read Romans 6:15-23. It starts with this:
15 What then? Shall we sin because we are not under law but under grace? Certainly not!

The law of Christ, is a law of freedom, but it is based on principle, so that you do not need a law telling you, "Do not covet. Do not steal. Do not murder. Do not commit adultery...."
Romans 13:9, 10
9 For the commandments, “You shall not commit adultery,” “You shall not murder,” “You shall not steal,” “You shall not bear false witness,” “You shall not covet,” and if there is any other commandment, are all summed up in this saying, namely, “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.”
10 Love does no harm to a neighbor; therefore love is the fulfillment of the law.

Paul also said:

Romans 7:7 7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? Certainly not! On the contrary, I would not have known sin except through the law. For I would not have known covetousness unless the law had said, “You shall not covet.”

So of course we need God’s law, otherwise we depend on our own version of righteous living, which is of filthy rags Isa 64:6, instead of God’s moral laws that defines sin 1 John 3:4 Mat 5:19-30 James 2:10-12 and His righteousness Psa 119:172 is everlasting Psa 119:142. No one in scripture who disobeyed God’s commandments did it ever work out for them. Why do so many people think we are so much more special than those in scripture? We are not. We are supposed to learn from their mistakes and not follow the same path of disobedience Heb 4:11 Scripture promises us taking that same path won’t work out well for us either Mat 7:23 Rev 22:14-15

God’s law is freedom and why the Ten Commandments is called the law of liberty James 2:10-12 because if one was keeping them through the power of the Holy Spirt 14:15-18 one would no longer be under the bondage of sin, its not God who wants us to forget His law and sin, but the other spirit 1 John 3:8 who has been deceiving man from the beginning and still continues to do so.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

What about "Thou shall not covet"?
That was written by God's finger, wasn't it?

At Romans 7:7 Paul said, "For I would not have known covetousness unless the law had said, “You shall not covet.”"

What Law?
The one of which he says, "But now we have been released from the Law, having died to that by which we were bound, so that we serve in newness of the Spirit and not in oldness of the letter." Romans 7:6

We have been released from the condemnation of the law if one is keeping it. The wages of sin is death Rom 6:23 Jesus gives us another option. There is no condemnation if one is not sinning and keeping God’s law and the only way to do that is Christ in us- having a right relationship with Him. Those who are walking in the flesh (sinning- breaking God’s law) can’t please God, so I don’t recommend that path.

Romans 8:7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God; for it is not subject to the law of God, nor indeed can be. 8 So then, those who are in the flesh cannot please God.

Paul is hard to understand and when we start pitting his scripture against Jesus we know we are twisting his words just as we are warned many people do. 2 Peter 3:16 Jesus said if you love Me, keep My commandments John 14:15 and taught not to break or teach others to break the least of these commandments as one would be in fear of sin and Judgement. Mat 5:19-30 Paul is not teaching people to sin and break God’s law. He never taught anything different than Jesus, so if one can’t make their argument with the Words that proceed out of the mouth of God- its not a path I would take, but we have free will. A servant is never greater than their master and Paul while hard to understand never taught we are free to break the least of God’s commandments, in fact he taught what matters is keeping them. 1 Cor 7:19

 

[CoreyD]

Paul also said:

Romans 7:7 7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? Certainly not! On the contrary, I would not have known sin except through the law. For I would not have known covetousness unless the law had said, “You shall not covet.”

So of course we need God’s law, otherwise we depend on our own version of righteous living, which is of filthy rags Isa 64:6, instead of God’s moral laws that defines sin 1 John 3:4 Mat 5:19-30 James 2:10-12 and His righteousness Psa 119:172 is everlasting Psa 119:142. No one in scripture who disobeyed God’s commandments did it ever work out for them. Why do so many people think we are so much more special than those in scripture? We are not. We are supposed to learn from their mistakes and not follow the same path of disobedience Heb 4:11 Scripture promises us taking that same path won’t work out well for us either Mat 7:23 Rev 22:14-15

God’s law is freedom and why the Ten Commandments is called the law of liberty James 2:10-12 because if one was keeping them through the power of the Holy Spirt 14:15-18 one would no longer be under the bondage of sin, its not God who wants us to forget His law and sin, but the other spirit 1 John 3:8 who has been deceiving man from the beginning and still continues to do so.

We have been released from the condemnation of the law if one is keeping it. The wages of sin is death Rom 6:23 Jesus gives us another option. There is no condemnation if one is not sinning and keeping God’s law and the only way to do that is Christ in us- having a right relationship with Him. Those who are walking in the flesh (sinning- breaking God’s law) can’t please God, so I don’t recommend that path.

Romans 8:7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God; for it is not subject to the law of God, nor indeed can be. 8 So then, those who are in the flesh cannot please God.

Paul is hard to understand and when we start pitting his scripture against Jesus we know we are twisting his words just as we are warned many people do. 2 Peter 3:16 Jesus said if you love Me, keep My commandments John 14:15 and taught not to break or teach others to break the least of these commandments as one would be in fear of sin and Judgement. Mat 5:19-30 Paul is not teaching people to sin and break God’s law. He never taught anything different than Jesus, so if one can’t make their argument with the Words that proceed out of the mouth of God- its not a path I would take, but we have free will. A servant is never greater than their master and Paul while hard to understand never taught we are free to break the least of God’s commandments, in fact he taught what matters is keeping them. 1 Cor 7:19

What Law are we released from, according to Romans 7:6?
What Law was a guardian, until Christ came, according to Galatians 3:19-25?

 

[SabbathBlessings]

What Law are we released from, according to Romans 7:6?

We are released from the condemnation of the law, not the law itself. Jesus answers this plainly we are not released from the law Mat 7:23 Do you really think we can now worship other gods, bow to idols, vain God’s holy name, break God’s holy Sabbath day, murder, covet, or break the least of these commandments? The opposite of what Jesus taught Mat 5:19-30 Why do you think Paul would countermand what Jesus taught. He didn’t hence why we have this warning. 2 Peter 3:16

What Law was a guardian, until Christ came, according to Galatians 3:19-25?

God’s law leads us to Christ, why it’s perfect for converting the soul Psa 19:7 so we keep God’s law until faith comes. What happens when faith comes, do we now void the law?

Rom 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? Certainly not! On the contrary, we establish the law.

So God’s law brings us to Christ until faith. Once we have faith we establish the law and when we are brought to Christ in faith He enables us to obey the law John 14:15-18

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Happy Sabbath all! I am signing out for now, but hope you all have a blessed day.

 

[HIM]

Happy Sabbath all! I am signing out for now, but hope you all have a blessed day.

Happy Sabbath to you also SabbathBlessings!

Father, God we thank you for all You do. Guiding us through out our lives, to be closer to and through You.
We pray that You open our hearts and broaden our Faith even wider that we see Your Light brighter. That the Path that You have chosen be even clearer. That our steps not be hindered. That we truly be one with You. That Your Glory and Power be seen that the world might believe. In the name Jesus we pray, Amen

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Happy Sabbath to you also SabbathBlessings!

Father, God we thank you for all You do. Guiding us through out our lives, to be closer to and through You.
We pray that You open our hearts and broaden our Faith even wider that we see Your Light brighter. That the Path that You have chosen be even clearer. That our steps not be hindered. That we truly be one with You. That Your Glory and Power be seen that the world might believe. In the name Jesus we pray, Amen

Amen. What a wonderful prayer!

 

[HIM]

What Law are we released from, according to Romans 7:6?
What Law was a guardian, until Christ came, according to Galatians 3:19-25?

We are released from the condemnation of the law, not the law itself. Jesus answers this plainly we are not released from the law Mat 7:23 Do you really think we can now worship other gods, bow to idols, vain God’s holy name, break God’s holy Sabbath day, murder, covet, or break the least of these commandments? The opposite of what Jesus taught Mat 5:19-30 Why do you think Paul would countermand what Jesus taught. He didn’t hence why we have this warning. 2 Peter 3:16

The word released is translated from a Greek word which means rendered idle, hence unproductive. Something rendered idle is still there. It just isn't productive in the sense to which it was used previously.

Is Released from the law a good translation? Should it be translated rendered idle in the verse in question? And what is rendered idle? The law or us? Or both in respect to context?

Both, Shall we continue in sin that grace abound? God forbid! How shall we who are dead to sin live any longer therein?

If we are freed from sin as Romans 6 tells us through the resurrection and we are no longer living in it. Then the Law is idle. Because what need is there of law if the Body of sin, the old man is destroyed, idled. Because there is no transgression.

But what if we are still living in sin after the flesh, not mortifying the deeds of the body. And the righteousness of the Law is not being fulfilled in us because faith has not established the Law?

Rom 8:13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.

 

[CoreyD]

We are released from the condemnation of the law, not the law itself.

All the translations I find, on biblehub.com refer to the Law - the written code, or letter.
May I ask, which translation of the bible you are reading?
Can you please quote the text exactly as it reads, please.
Does yours read, "released from the condemnation of the law, not the law itself"?

Jesus answers this plainly we are not released from the law Mat 7:23

Matthew 7:23
Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’

Did you make a mistake with your scriptural reference?
Matthew 7:23 does not say anything about the law.

Do you really think we can now worship other gods, bow to idols, vain God’s holy name, break God’s holy Sabbath day, murder, covet, or break the least of these commandments?

Paul addressed that, as you already were shown.

The opposite of what Jesus taught Mat 5:19-30

Thanks for the scripture.
Did you read it from verse 17?
Matthew 5:17, 18
17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
18 For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled.

Did Jesus fulfill the Law?
Do you know how he did?
Consider one scripture that answers that question. Luke 4:16-21
Note please, verse 21.
Then he began to speak to them. “The Scripture you’ve just heard has been fulfilled this very day!”

Consider, too, please, Luke 24:27, 44, 45
27 And beginning with Moses and all the Prophets, He explained to them what was written in all the Scriptures about Himself.
44 Jesus said to them, “These are the words I spoke to you while I was still with you: Everything must be fulfilled that is written about Me in the Law of Moses, the Prophets, and the Psalms.”
45 Then He opened their minds to understand the Scriptures.

Do the scriptures tell us that Jesus - the Christ did fulfill the Law, and the Prophets?
Did Jesus kept he law perfectly?
Can we? Can you?

Since the obvious answer is, No, we can't; No, you can't, then are you not thankful that Jesus Christ did this for you, and me - for us?
Colossians 2:13-17

13 And you, being dead in your trespasses and the uncircumcision of your flesh, He has made alive together with Him, having forgiven you all trespasses, 14 having wiped out the handwriting of requirements that was against us, which was contrary to us. And He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross. 15 Having disarmed principalities and powers, He made a public spectacle of them, triumphing over them in it.​

16 So let no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a festival or a new moon or sabbaths, 17 which are a shadow of things to come, but the substance [- reality -] is of Christ.​

Do we - do you - accept that reality?
If we do, "then, why do you try to test God by putting on the necks of Gentiles a yoke that neither we nor our ancestors have been able to bear?" Acts 15:10
How do we do that?
Please read Galatians 3:10-14
10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse; for it is written, “Cursed is everyone who does not continue in all things which are written in the book of the law, to do them.” 11 But that no one is justified by the law in the sight of God is evident, for “the just shall live by faith.” 12 Yet the law is not of faith, but “the man who does them shall live by them.”
13 Christ has redeemed us from the curse of the law, having become a curse for us (for it is written, “Cursed is everyone who hangs on a tree”), 14 that the blessing of Abraham might come upon the Gentiles in Christ Jesus, that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.

It's really our - your - choice, but what are we doing - what are you doing - if we - you - insist on works of law, such as Sabbath keeping, and so on?
You decide.

Why do you think Paul would countermand what Jesus taught. He didn’t hence why we have this warning. 2 Peter 3:16

Actually, it was Christ himself, through the will of God who did the cancelling.
Colossians 2:13-15
13 And you, being dead in your trespasses and the uncircumcision of your flesh, He has made alive together with Him, having forgiven you all trespasses, 14 having wiped out the handwriting of requirements that was against us, which was contrary to us. And He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross. 15 Having disarmed principalities and powers, He made a public spectacle of them, triumphing over them in it.

Unless God did that, as the verses in Galatians 3:10-14 show, you would be under a curse, and grace by faith would not come to you.
However, if you want to take those documents off the cross, and live by them, that decision is yours to make.
Just know this:

• It is of no benefit to you. Hebrews 7:18 - So the former commandment is set aside because it was weak and useless
• Thus, you would remain in sin, and you would reject the gift of God that does benefit you. Romans 8:3 - For what the law was powerless to do in that it was weakened by the flesh, God did by sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful man, as an offering for sin. He thus condemned sin in the flesh, and so as is the case with the Jewish nation, so would you.

You do want everlasting life, free of sin and death, don't you?
Then don't let the reprehensible ministers, and their teachings against Christ, bind you in chains of death.

God’s law leads us to Christ, why it’s perfect for converting the soul Psa 19:7 so we keep God’s law until faith comes. What happens when faith comes, do we now void the law?

The faith has not come?
Have you read Galatians 3:23-25?

Rom 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? Certainly not! On the contrary, we establish the law.

Did you read the veses before?
Romans 3:27-30
27 Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? Of works? No, but by the law of faith. 28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith apart from the deeds of the law. 29 Or is He the God of the Jews only? Is He not also the God of the Gentiles? Yes, of the Gentiles also, 30 since there is one God who will justify the circumcised by faith and the uncircumcised through faith.

It would be good for you the read the verses that follow also, since they reference Abraham's faith.
Romans 4:2-5
2 For if Abraham was justified by works, he has something to boast about, but not before God. 3 For what does the Scripture say? “Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.” 4 Now to him who works, the wages are not counted as grace but as debt.

Romans 3:31 Interlinear: Law then do we make useless through the faith? let it not be! yea, we do establish law.

We therefore uphold the law by faith. Romans 8:4 so that the righteous standard of the law might be fulfilled in us, who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit.

So God’s law brings us to Christ until faith. Once we have faith we establish the law and when we are brought to Christ in faith He enables us to obey the law John 14:15-18

So, to put that in the correct context.
Galatians 310-14
10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse; for it is written, “Cursed is everyone who does not continue in all things which are written in the book of the law, to do them.” 11 But that no one is justified by the law in the sight of God is evident, for “the just shall live by faith.” 12 Yet the law is not of faith, but “the man who does them shall live by them.”
13 Christ has redeemed us from the curse of the law, having become a curse for us (for it is written, “Cursed is everyone who hangs on a tree”), 14 that the blessing of Abraham might come upon the Gentiles in Christ Jesus, that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.

19 What purpose then does the law serve? It was added because of transgressions, till the Seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was appointed through angels by the hand of a mediator. 20 Now a mediator does not mediate for one only, but God is one.
21 Is the law then against the promises of God? Certainly not! For if there had been a law given which could have given life, truly righteousness would have been by the law. 22 But the Scripture has confined all under sin, that the promise by faith in Jesus Christ might be given to those who believe. 23 But before faith came, we were kept under guard by the law, kept for the faith which would afterward be revealed. 24 Therefore the law was our tutor to bring us to Christ, that we might be justified by faith. 25 But after faith has come, we are no longer under a tutor.

Romans 10:4
For Christ is the end of the law, to bring righteousness to everyone who believes.

Ephesians 2:14, 15
14 For He Himself is our peace, who has made the two one and has torn down the dividing wall of hostility 15 by abolishing in His flesh the law of commandments and decrees. He did this to create in Himself one new man out of the two, thus making peace.

The law has been fulfilled, and is therefore no longer binding. We are bound by the law of the Christ. Galatians 6:2

However, it was nice talking to you.

 

[CoreyD]

The word released is translated from a Greek word which means rendered idle, hence unproductive. Something rendered idle is still there. It just isn't productive in the sense to which it was used previously.

I would agree with this, provided it does not mean something other than what it says.
However, the law was never productive. In other words, its purpose was not to do what persons are saying obeying the command to keep a weekly Sabbath does. Hebrews 7:18; Romans 8:3
It showed up transgressions. Romans 3:20; Romans 4:15; Galatians 3:19

Is Released from the law a good translation? Should it be translated rendered idle in the verse in question? And what is rendered idle? The law or us? Or both in respect to context?

Both, Shall we continue in sin that grace abound? God forbid! How shall we who are dead to sin live any longer therein?

If we are freed from sin as Romans 6 tells us through the resurrection and we are no longer living in it. Then the Law is idle. Because what need is there of law if the Body of sin, the old man is destroyed, idled. Because there is no transgression.

But what if we are still living in sin after the flesh, not mortifying the deeds of the body. And the righteousness of the Law is not being fulfilled in us because faith has not established the Law?

Rom 8:13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.

I think you lost me a bit.
How are we rendered idle, again? That part is not clear. Can you clarify with scripture?
Also, are you saying that the Gentiles are under that Law? Is there a scripture that tells us when that happened?

 

[SabbathBlessings]

All the translations I find, on biblehub.com refer to the Law - the written code, or letter.
May I ask, which translation of the bible you are reading?
Can you please quote the text exactly as it reads, please.
Does yours read, "released from the condemnation of the law, not the law itself"?

Romans 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus, who[a] do not walk according to the flesh (sin), but according to the Spirit. 2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has made me free from the law of sin and death. 3 For what the law could not do in that it was weak through the flesh, God did by sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, on account of sin: He condemned sin in the flesh, 4 that the righteous requirement of the law might be fulfilled in us who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit. 5 For those who live according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who live according to the Spirit, the things of the Spirit. 6 For to be carnally minded is death, but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. 7 Because the [c]carnal mind is enmity against God; for it is not subject to the law of God, nor indeed can be. 8 So then, those who are in the flesh cannot please God.

How does one obtain life and peace according to Christ?
Isa 48:18 Oh, that you had heeded My commandments!
Then your peace would have been like a river,
And your righteousness like the waves of the sea.
Mat 19:17 But if you want to enter into life, keep the commandments.”

Paul taught those who are carnally mind is not subject to the law of God- are you saying Paul was teaching us to be carnally minded and to be an enmity against God and countermand everything Jesus taught? This is the issue when people never try to reconcile Pauls teaching to Christs. Paul was a servant to Christ, not Christ a servant to Paul. Paul cannot countermand Christ and where does Jesus ever teach us we no longer need to keep His commandments. He teaches us not to break or teach others to break the least of these commandments Mat 5:19. If we can’t subject ourselves to the law of God, it’s really not a good sign. Not all is lost yet, Jesus taught- repent for the Kingdom is at hand- but true repentance means truly sorry for sinning against God and having a change of heart which means a change in direction, because we must not only confess our sins, but forsake them Pro 28:13

Matthew 7:23
Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’

Did you make a mistake with your scriptural reference?
Matthew 7:23 does not say anything about the law.

No mistake, just hover over Mat 7:23 and you will see there is no mistake

This is the greek word here

anomia: lawlessness
Original Word: ἀνομία, ας, ἡ
Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine
Transliteration: anomia
Phonetic Spelling: (an-om-ee'-ah)
Definition: lawlessness
Usage: lawlessness, iniquity, disobedience, sin.

Paul addressed that, as you already were shown.


Thanks for the scripture.
Did you read it from verse 17?
Matthew 5:17, 18
17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
18 For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled.

Curios if you read this verse or the verses around it because Jesus does not contradict Himself in the same passage

18 For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled.

Jesus never said until some things are fulfilled, He said until ALL things are fulfilled, which is not until Jesus comes in the Clouds and His saints meet Him in the air and all sin and sinners destroyed once and for all and all tears are wiped from their eyes. These things has not been fulfilled hence why not a dot of an i or cross of a t can pass from God’s holy law and why Jesus taught not to break or teach others to break the least of these commandments as it affects our status in heaven and least does not mean one will be there as v 20 makes clear.

Since the obvious answer is, No, we can't; No, you can't, then are you not thankful that Jesus Christ did this for you, and me - for us?
Colossians 2:13-17

13 And you, being dead in your trespasses and the uncircumcision of your flesh, He has made alive together with Him, having forgiven you all trespasses, 14 having wiped out the handwriting of requirements that was against us, which was contrary to us. And He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross. 15 Having disarmed principalities and powers, He made a public spectacle of them, triumphing over them in it.​

16 So let no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a festival or a new moon or sabbaths, 17 which are a shadow of things to come, but the substance [- reality -] is of Christ.​

There is more than one Sabbath in scripture and Paul made it abundantly clear if one were to examine carefully, would see Paul was not referring to God’s Sabbath commandment, that Paul has no authority to undermine God nor would he, as he was a servant of Christ and why he also kept every Sabbath decades after the death of Christ Acts 13:42 Acts 13:44 Acts 18:4 just as Jesus in His own Words said His faithful people would Mat 24:20

Where in the Ten Commandments does it deal with food, drink, festivals, new moons and sabbath(s) its plural here, but modern bible translations changes it to singular, but that's not in the original transcripts. No where does the Ten Commandments deal with these things, but it is in the handwritten ordinances by Moses, the context of this passage. So not referring to the Ten Commandments, plus we should have faith that God keeps His promises. Psa 89:34 Mat 5:18-19

Col 2:14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;

So we know this from Colossians 2:14 the context is about
1. ordinances that are handwritten
2. ordinances- not The Ten Commandments
3. ordinances that are contrary and against

Does this fit the Ten Commandment/Sabbath commandment in any way?
1. The Ten Commandments/Sabbath was finger-written by God Exo 31:18 Exo 32:16
2. The Ten are commandments Exo 20:6 Deut 4:13 Exo 34:28
3. The Sabbath is holy and blessed by God- not the definition for contrary or against. Plus only God can reverse His blessing Num 23:20 so one would need a thus saith the Lord to change His commandments- all the thus saith the Lords on His Sabbath and there are many are for us to keep and not profane.

Obviously if one is being honest, this is not about any of the Ten Commandments but the ordinances handwritten by Moses placed outside the ark of the Covenant (the Sabbath commandment is inside the ark) as a witness against

There is more than one Sabbath in scripture, so obviously not referring to the weekly Sabbath commandment, but the yearly sabbath(s) and festival ordinances that were handwritten by Moses placed outside the ark of the covenant that are about food and drink offerings that all pointed forward to Christ 1 Cor 5:7 Exo 12:43

Deuteronomy 31:24 So it was, when Moses had completed writing the words of this law in a book, when they were finished, 25 that Moses commanded the Levites, who bore the ark of the covenant of the Lord, saying: 26 “Take this Book of the Law, and put it beside the ark of the covenant of the Lord your God, that it may be there as a witness against you;

The book that contained the ordinances were outside the ark- all of the Ten Commandments, which includes the Sabbath commandment are inside the ark, written by God Himself, no greater Authority than He.

Colossians 2:17 gives us more insight...

Col 2:17 which are a shadow of things to come, but the substance is of Christ.

Lets go to Hebrews 10 as it explains it....

Hebrews10:1 For the law, having a shadow of the good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with these same sacrifices, which they offer continually year by year, make those who approach perfect. 2 For then would they not have ceased to be offered? For the worshipers, once purified, would have had no more consciousness of sins. 3 But in those sacrificesthere is a reminder of sins every year. 4 For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and goats could take away sins. 5Therefore, when He came into the world,

The Sabbath commandment is not a shadow of anything, as it was part of Creation Gen 2:1-3 God’s perfect plan before the fall of man and God said Remember the Sabbath day- the Sabbath brings us back to Creation Exo 20:11 so we never forget Who created us and where we came from. The annual sabbath(s) ordinances that had to do with food and drink offerings came after the fall of man so Paul made it abundantly clear he was not referring to the Sabbath commandment that he himself kept every Sabbath decades after the Cross. Jesus in His own Words predicted 30+ years after His death His people at the destruction of Jerusalem would still be keeping the Sabbath Mat 24:20 and the Sabbath continues for worship for eternity thus saith the Lord Isa 66:22-23. If we have faith in Jesus we really need to have faith in His teachings Mat 5:18-30 Mat 15:3-14 Mark 7:7-13 Mat 19:17-19 and the example He left for us. Luke 4:16 I John 2:6

 

[CoreyD]

Romans 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus, who[a] do not walk according to the flesh (sin), but according to the Spirit. 2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has made me free from the law of sin and death. 3 For what the law could not do in that it was weak through the flesh, God did by sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, on account of sin: He condemned sin in the flesh, 4 that the righteous requirement of the law might be fulfilled in us who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit. 5 For those who live according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who live according to the Spirit, the things of the Spirit. 6 For to be carnally minded is death, but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. 7 Because the [c]carnal mind is enmity against God; for it is not subject to the law of God, nor indeed can be. 8 So then, those who are in the flesh cannot please God.

How does one obtain life and peace according to Christ?
Isa 48:18 Oh, that you had heeded My commandments!
Then your peace would have been like a river,
And your righteousness like the waves of the sea.
Mat 19:17 But if you want to enter into life, keep the commandments.”

Paul taught those who are carnally mind is not subject to the law of God- are you saying Paul was teaching us to be carnally minded and to be an enmity against God and countermand everything Jesus taught? This is the issue when people never try to reconcile Pauls teaching to Christs. Paul was a servant to Christ, not Christ a servant to Paul. Paul cannot countermand Christ and where does Jesus ever teach us we no longer need to keep His commandments. He teaches us not to break or teach others to break the least of these commandments Mat 5:19. If we can’t subject ourselves to the law of God, it’s really not a good sign. Not all is lost yet, Jesus taught- repent for the Kingdom is at hand- but true repentance means truly sorry for sinning against God and having a change of heart which means a change in direction, because we must not only confess our sins, but forsake them Pro 28:13

No mistake, just hover over Mat 7:23 and you will see there is no mistake

This is the greek word here

anomia: lawlessness
Original Word: ἀνομία, ας, ἡ
Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine
Transliteration: anomia
Phonetic Spelling: (an-om-ee'-ah)
Definition: lawlessness
Usage: lawlessness, iniquity, disobedience, sin.



Curios if you read this verse or the verses around it because Jesus does not contradict Himself in the same passage

18 For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled.

Jesus never said until some things are fulfilled, He said until ALL things are fulfilled, which is not until Jesus comes in the Clouds and His saints meet Him in the air and all sin and sinners destroyed once and for all and all tears are wiped from their eyes. These things has not been fulfilled hence why not a dot of an i or cross of a t can pass from God’s holy law and why Jesus taught not to break or teach others to break the least of these commandments as it affects our status in heaven and least does not mean one will be there as v 20 makes clear.


There is more than one Sabbath in scripture and Paul made it abundantly clear if one were to examine carefully, would see Paul was not referring to God’s Sabbath commandment, that Paul has no authority to undermine God nor would he, as he was a servant of Christ and why he also kept every Sabbath decades after the death of Christ Acts 13:42 Acts 13:44 Acts 18:4 just as Jesus in His own Words said His faithful people would Mat 24:20

Where in the Ten Commandments does it deal with food, drink, festivals, new moons and sabbath(s) its plural here, but modern bible translations changes it to singular, but that's not in the original transcripts. No where does the Ten Commandments deal with these things, but it is in the handwritten ordinances by Moses, the context of this passage. So not referring to the Ten Commandments, plus we should have faith that God keeps His promises. Psa 89:34 Mat 5:18-19

Col 2:14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;

So we know this from Colossians 2:14 the context is about
1. ordinances that are handwritten
2. ordinances- not The Ten Commandments
3. ordinances that are contrary and against

Does this fit the Ten Commandment/Sabbath commandment in any way?
1. The Ten Commandments/Sabbath was finger-written by God Exo 31:18 Exo 32:16
2. The Ten are commandments Exo 20:6 Deut 4:13 Exo 34:28
3. The Sabbath is holy and blessed by God- not the definition for contrary or against. Plus only God can reverse His blessing Num 23:20 so one would need a thus saith the Lord to change His commandments- all the thus saith the Lords on His Sabbath and there are many are for us to keep and not profane.

Obviously if one is being honest, this is not about any of the Ten Commandments but the ordinances handwritten by Moses placed outside the ark of the Covenant (the Sabbath commandment is inside the ark) as a witness against

There is more than one Sabbath in scripture, so obviously not referring to the weekly Sabbath commandment, but the yearly sabbath(s) and festival ordinances that were handwritten by Moses placed outside the ark of the covenant that are about food and drink offerings that all pointed forward to Christ 1 Cor 5:7 Exo 12:43

Deuteronomy 31:24 So it was, when Moses had completed writing the words of this law in a book, when they were finished, 25 that Moses commanded the Levites, who bore the ark of the covenant of the Lord, saying: 26 “Take this Book of the Law, and put it beside the ark of the covenant of the Lord your God, that it may be there as a witness against you;

The book that contained the ordinances were outside the ark- all of the Ten Commandments, which includes the Sabbath commandment are inside the ark, written by God Himself, no greater Authority than He.

Colossians 2:17 gives us more insight...

Col 2:17 which are a shadow of things to come, but the substance is of Christ.

Lets go to Hebrews 10 as it explains it....

Hebrews10:1 For the law, having a shadow of the good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with these same sacrifices, which they offer continually year by year, make those who approach perfect. 2 For then would they not have ceased to be offered? For the worshipers, once purified, would have had no more consciousness of sins. 3 But in those sacrificesthere is a reminder of sins every year. 4 For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and goats could take away sins. 5Therefore, when He came into the world,

The Sabbath commandment is not a shadow of anything, as it was part of Creation Gen 2:1-3 God’s perfect plan before the fall of man and God said Remember the Sabbath day- the Sabbath brings us back to Creation Exo 20:11 so we never forget Who created us and where we came from. The annual sabbath(s) ordinances that had to do with food and drink offerings came after the fall of man so Paul made it abundantly clear he was not referring to the Sabbath commandment that he himself kept every Sabbath decades after the Cross. Jesus in His own Words predicted 30+ years after His death His people at the destruction of Jerusalem would still be keeping the Sabbath Mat 24:20 and the Sabbath continues for worship for eternity thus saith the Lord Isa 66:22-23. If we have faith in Jesus we really need to have faith in His teachings Mat 5:18-30 Mat 15:3-14 Mark 7:7-13 Mat 19:17-19 and the example He left for us. Luke 4:16 I John 2:6

So, are you saying that Colossians 2:14 is not referring to the same Law as mentioned at Romans 7:6?

 

[SabbathBlessings]

So, are you saying that Colossians 2:14 is not referring to the same Law as mentioned at Romans 7:6?

Col 2:14 is referring to handwritten ordinances - not commandments written by the finger of God as shown through the context.

Romans 7 has to be read in context…

Rom 7:1 Or do you not know, brethren (for I speak to those who know the law), that the law has dominion over a man as long as he lives? 2 For the woman who has a husband is bound by the law to her husband as long as he lives. But if the husband dies, she is released from the law of her husband. 3 So then if, while her husband lives, she marries another man, she will be called an adulteress; but if her husband dies, she is free from that law, so that she is no adulteress, though she has married another man. 4 Therefore, my brethren, you also have become dead to the law through the body of Christ, that you may be married to another—to Him who was raised from the dead, that we should bear fruit to God. 5 For when we were in the flesh, the sinful passions which were aroused by the law were at work in our members to bear fruit to death. 6 But now we have been delivered from the law, having died to what we were held by, so that we should serve in the newness of the Spirit and not in the oldness of the letter.

Paul is illustrating the changed status of one who is freed from the bondage of sin to be married to Christ this is a continuation from Romans 6 which chapters 6-7- 8 all have to be read together.

From this passage which one of these parties dies? Not the law and if so the whole argument over adultery would be pointless. There could be no adultery without the law showing us that it is sin Rom 4:15 Rom 7:7

It was the husband who died and he symbolizes “the old man of sin’ who dies at the conversion in Christ Rom 6:6 Rom 8:1-8. The condemnation of the law- sentence of death was nullified by deliverance though Christ- this is what Paul is teaching in Chapters 6, 7 and 8. We need to also be crucified with Christ- our old life of sin, but God’s law remains - we are not saved in our sins Mat 1:21, we are saved from our sins. We need a conversion and if one is in Christ, they are obeying God and His commandments. It’s the other spirit who wants to keep us in the bondage of sin, not Jesus. Just common sense and the teachings of Jesus should tell us that. Like really who does not want us to only worship God, or to only use His name in a holy manner, bow to false idols, break His holy Sabbath day, murder, steal and covet and keep us in sin, not Jesus 1 John 3:8 Jesus came to free us of that bondage and that is only received through our conversion where we leave the old life of sin (breaking God’s law) at the Cross and walk in newness in Christ obeying Him and keeping His commandments which reconciles us Rev 22:14

 

[CoreyD]

Col 2:14 is referring to handwritten ordinances - not commandments written by the finger of God as shown through the context.

Romans 7 has to be read in context…

Rom 7:1 Or do you not know, brethren (for I speak to those who know the law), that the law has dominion over a man as long as he lives? 2 For the woman who has a husband is bound by the law to her husband as long as he lives. But if the husband dies, she is released from the law of her husband. 3 So then if, while her husband lives, she marries another man, she will be called an adulteress; but if her husband dies, she is free from that law, so that she is no adulteress, though she has married another man. 4 Therefore, my brethren, you also have become dead to the law through the body of Christ, that you may be married to another—to Him who was raised from the dead, that we should bear fruit to God. 5 For when we were in the flesh, the sinful passions which were aroused by the law were at work in our members to bear fruit to death. 6 But now we have been delivered from the law, having died to what we were held by, so that we should serve in the newness of the Spirit and not in the oldness of the letter.

Paul is illustrating the changed status of one who is freed from the bondage of sin to be married to Christ this is a continuation from Romans 6 which chapters 6-7- 8 all have to be read together.

From this passage which one of these parties dies? Not the law and if so the whole argument over adultery would be pointless. There could be no adultery without the law showing us that it is sin Rom 4:15 Rom 7:7

It was the husband who died and he symbolizes “the old man of sin’ who dies at the conversion in Christ Rom 6:6 Rom 8:1-8. The condemnation of the law- sentence of death was nullified by deliverance though Christ- this is what Paul is teaching in Chapters 6, 7 and 8. We need to also be crucified with Christ- our old life of sin, but God’s law remains - we are not saved in our sins Mat 1:21, we are saved from our sins. We need a conversion and if one is in Christ, they are obeying God and His commandments. It’s the other spirit who wants to keep us in the bondage of sin, not Jesus. Just common sense and the teachings of Jesus should tell us that. Like really who does not want us to only worship God, or to only use His name in a holy manner, bow to false idols, break His holy Sabbath day, murder, steal and covet and keep us in sin, not Jesus 1 John 3:8 Jesus came to free us of that bondage and that is only received through our conversion where we leave the old life of sin (breaking God’s law) at the Cross and walk in newness in Christ obeying Him and keeping His commandments which reconciles us Rev 22:14

So, your answer is yes, or no? I do not know how you answered the question. Did you answer the question?

 

[SabbathBlessings]

So, your answer is yes, or no? I do not know how you answered the question. Did you answer the question?

I provided the context of the scripture- you seem to keep wanting to focus on one verse and not the surrounding context, that will get one very lost in trying to do and follow what the scriptures are really teaching. It’s not our truth that matters, so getting the context wrong is not going to help anyone in the long run. We are only sanctified by the Truth of God’s Word John 17:17 and only God can sanctify us Eze 20:12 so plucking out a verse here or there is not the way for real conversion through God’s Word. We need to prayerfully and carefully study the context and see how it compares to others scriptures. No scripture can contradict the teachings of Jesus.

I think if you really studied the different laws and their meanings you can answer your own question.

The law that is perfect for converting the soul Psa 19:7 written by the finger of God Exo 32:16 Exo 31:18 placed inside the ark of the covenant that is holy, righteous and good Psa 119:172 Rom 7:12 1 John 5:3 that reveals what sin is Mat 5:19-30 1 John 3:4 James 2:10-12 Rom 7:7 and what all man will be Judged by James 2:10-12 Mat 5:19-30 Ecc 12:13-14 Rev 22:14-15 will never turn into the law that is grievous, against, or contrary or the laws that were handwritten by Moses, placed outside the ark as a witness against Deut 31:24-26 that was added because of transgression for breaking God’s holy law that is sin when transgressing. Many confuse these different laws, but unless we understand the differences, their purpose it will make the NT almost impossible to understand.