Where was the Sabbath Abolished?

[Gary K]

He says those who teach that even the least of these commandment is abolished, will be called the least in the Kingdom of Heaven. Tzittzit, not shaving the sides of the beard, and not wearing mixed fibres definitely have a spiritual meaning. But they are also physical and will benefit you if you obey them, as they serve as physical material reflection of the spiritual ( to be Set Apart ).

Men have beards because God created them. Shaving it off is conforming to the pressure of world. The beard also blocks wind noise and thus gives a better sense of hearing in windy conditions and prevents hearing damage from wind noise.
Pagans shaved off the sides, wore goatees or shaved all of it.
But beards are there to create a strong gender distinction. Clean shaved faces are harder to distinct from the feminine. It is a spirit of Rome that pushes the clean shaven face.

Unmixed fabrics work better because different animal and wool fibres have opposing qualities. Mixing them in the weave makes absolutely no sense and creates a worse garment. But you are allowed to wear 100 procent linen and wools together to get the best qualities of both. Of course the unmixed fabrics stand for not mixing with pagan practises, but not to the detriment of the physical implementation. You have to understand both. It is for your best benefit to obey Yehovah. He knows what is best for us. Don't try to be smarter than Him.

If the physical aspect of Torah wasn't important, satan wouldnt be causing pork to be so popular and readily available, and nearly all clothes and socks these days frm China are made of mixed fibres, and he makes it fashionable to wear torn jeans. The world loves to do everything opposite to Torah.

Unfortunately not all of us can grow a decent beard. I look extremely scruffy with a full beard as there are blank spots in it and any where other than my upper lip and chin is so thin my skin is visible. So I choose not to look like a bum. I'm 70, btw. Couldn't even grow a decent van dyke until I was in my 50s.

 

[Leaf473]

No. There are severe consequences for not following them. A suggestion would not have these kinds of consequences.

Okay, not suggestions. But not really laws, either... Since the only eternal laws would be the Ten Commandments, if I'm following you right

 

[Leaf473]

He says those who teach that even the least of these commandment is abolished, will be called the least in the Kingdom of Heaven. Tzittzit, not shaving the sides of the beard, and not wearing mixed fibres definitely have a spiritual meaning. But they are also physical and will benefit you if you obey them, as they serve as physical material reflection of the spiritual ( to be Set Apart ).

Men have beards because God created them. Shaving it off is conforming to the pressure of world. The beard also blocks wind noise and thus gives a better sense of hearing in windy conditions and prevents hearing damage from wind noise.
Pagans shaved off the sides, wore goatees or shaved all of it.
But beards are there to create a strong gender distinction. Clean shaved faces are harder to distinct from the feminine.

It is a spirit of Rome that pushes the clean shaven face.

Interesting idea
I've heard that as civilizations age, the genders tend to become less distinct, things like statues becoming more androgynous.

Unmixed fabrics work better because different animal and wool fibres have opposing qualities. Mixing them in the weave makes absolutely no sense and creates a worse garment. But you are allowed to wear 100 procent linen and wools together to get the best qualities of both. Of course the unmixed fabrics stand for not mixing with pagan practises, but not to the detriment of the physical implementation. You have to understand both. It is for your best benefit to obey Yehovah. He knows what is best for us. Don't try to be smarter than Him.

If the physical aspect of Torah wasn't important, satan wouldnt be causing pork to be so popular and readily available, and nearly all clothes and socks these days frm China are made of mixed fibres, and he makes it fashionable to wear torn jeans. The world loves to do everything opposite to Torah.

 

[linux.poet]

AMBASSADOR HAT​

A friendly reminder that this thread is not about whether the Mosaic laws or dietary restrictions benefit us today, but about whether the Sabbath is still part of the Ten Commandments that all believers should follow, as the OP has asserted to be the case. Please stay on topic. Thank you.

 

[Gary K]

Okay, not suggestions. But not really laws, either... Since the only eternal laws would be the Ten Commandments, if I'm following you right

No. In heaven we will follow God health laws and that's forever. There will be no meat eating, no junk food. nothing unhealthy. Get used to it here rather than indulging your appetite.

 

[Leaf473]

The 10 commandments are God's eternal law, That's why He wrote them on stone. the rest were written on animal skins or something similar demonstrating their temporary nature.

Also the 10 commandments were put under the mercy seat and none of those transcribed were. They were placed in a pocket in the side of the ark. Symbolizing they were not covered by God's mercy.

Deuteronomy 31: 24 ¶ And it came to pass, when Moses had made an end of writing the words of this law in a book, until they were finished,
25 That Moses commanded the Levites, which bare the ark of the covenant of the Lord, saying,
26 Take this book of the law, and put it in the side of the ark of the covenant of the Lord your God, that it may be there for a witness against thee.
27 For I know thy rebellion, and thy stiff neck: behold, while I am yet alive with you this day, ye have been rebellious against the Lord; and how much more after my death?

Are you saying that the Ten Commandments are the only eternal laws that God has given?

Only the Ten Commandments are covered by God's mercy, laws about clean and unclean animals are not covered?

Am I understanding you right so far?

AMBASSADOR HAT​

A friendly reminder that this thread is not about whether the Mosaic laws or dietary restrictions benefit us today, but about whether the Sabbath is still part of the Ten Commandments that all believers should follow, as the OP has asserted to be the case. Please stay on topic. Thank you.

No. In heaven we will follow God health laws and that's forever. There will be no meat eating, no junk food. nothing unhealthy. Get used to it here rather than indulging your appetite.

When the Sabbath and the Ten Commandments are discussed in isolation from the rest of the scriptures, a great case can be made for keeping the Sabbath

Bible Gateway passage: 2 Corinthians 13:14 - New International Reader's Version

May the grace shown by the Lord Jesus Christ be with you all. May the love that God has given us be with you. And may the sharing of life brought about by the Holy Spirit be with you all.

www.biblegateway.com

 

[Gary K]

When the Sabbath and the Ten Commandments are discussed in isolation from the rest of the scriptures, a great case can be made for keeping the Sabbath

Bible Gateway passage: 2 Corinthians 13:14 - New International Reader's Version

May the grace shown by the Lord Jesus Christ be with you all. May the love that God has given us be with you. And may the sharing of life brought about by the Holy Spirit be with you all.

www.biblegateway.com

You know I disagree with that. The Sabbath is integral to salvation which is found throughout the Bible.

 

[Leaf473]

You know I disagree with that. The Sabbath is integral to salvation which is found throughout the Bible.

It looks to me like a lot of other laws are also integral. But discussing those other laws leads to "mod hat on". So what to do?

Bible Gateway passage: Joshua 8:34 - New American Standard Bible

Then afterward he read all the words of the Law, the blessing and the curse, according to everything that is written in the Book of the Law.

www.biblegateway.com

 

[linux.poet]

AMBASSADOR HAT​

It looks to me like a lot of other laws are also integral. But discussing those other laws leads to "mod hat on". So what to do?

Bible Gateway passage: Joshua 8:34 - New American Standard Bible

Then afterward he read all the words of the Law, the blessing and the curse, according to everything that is written in the Book of the Law.

www.biblegateway.com

I’m not a moderator, and my post didn’t apply to what you and GaryK were discussing. Discussing how other laws are integral to the Sabbath’s abolition (or not abolition) is very much allowed. That Ambassador Hat was meant to address some posts by a new member above which were talking about things that were seemingly unrelated to the topic. Said new member didn’t even talk about his views on the Sabbath at all.

It’s also quite possible, since I’m rather unfamiliar with how this debate works, that the previous reminder was done in error. I’m willing to admit that I’m only human and I make mistakes. In short, you may ignore me and continue on with your discussion.

 

[Gary K]

It looks to me like a lot of other laws are also integral. But discussing those other laws leads to "mod hat on". So what to do?

Bible Gateway passage: Joshua 8:34 - New American Standard Bible

Then afterward he read all the words of the Law, the blessing and the curse, according to everything that is written in the Book of the Law.

www.biblegateway.com

Our positions are so far apart they will never coincide as far as I'm concerned so let's just let it drop.

 

[Leaf473]

AMBASSADOR HAT​

I’m not a moderator, and my post didn’t apply to what you and GaryK were discussing. Discussing how other laws are integral to the Sabbath’s abolition (or not abolition) is very much allowed. That Ambassador Hat was meant to address some posts by a new member above which were talking about things that were seemingly unrelated to the topic. Said new member didn’t even talk about his views on the Sabbath at all.

It’s also quite possible, since I’m rather unfamiliar with how this debate works, that the previous reminder was done in error. I’m willing to admit that I’m only human and I make mistakes. In short, you may ignore me and continue on with your discussion.

Thank you so much for clarifying that My apologies, my eyes totally missed the "Ambassador Hat".

 

[Leaf473]

Our positions are so far apart they will never coincide as far as I'm concerned so let's just let it drop.

That's fine May the Lord bless you and keep you

 

[linux.poet]

Thank you so much for clarifying that My apologies, my eyes totally missed the "Ambassador Hat".

Yeah. The CF Senior Ambassador Hats are to help new members get used to the CF rules, as far as I’m aware. It’s a forum mentor job, not a moderator.

This has never been clarified anywhere either - I had to ask a bunch of questions when I took on this job. Historically this position has existed on CF for a long time, but it hasn’t really been filled or doing much for the past 4 years.

 

[Leaf473]

Yeah. The CF Senior Ambassador Hats are to help new members get used to the CF rules, as far as I’m aware. It’s a forum mentor job, not a moderator.

This has never been clarified anywhere either - I had to ask a bunch of questions when I took on this job. Historically this position has existed on CF for a long time, but it hasn’t really been filled or doing much for the past 4 years.

And I want to say "Thank you for your service" - I assume it's a volunteer position!

 

[FredVB]

... the "old way" is not just animal sacrifices BUT is refer to the entire "old covenant" or as Paul calls it the "written code" this includes the 10 commandments "written" on stone tablets. See Hebrews 9:1-4.

the sole purpose is to achieve Gods Righteousness (in the form of Christ) where it can only be achieved under the "new way" of the Spirit NOT the "old way" of the "written code" or the Letter (see Romans).

You think it does? But all that is actually said is the ways of sacrifice and being made clean, along with all the sacrificial system and priesthood, are shadows of Christ being effective for it all. Christ is all there ever was effective for it all, yet sacrifices and priests for that were around a very long time, people everywhere were familiar with that, and God had the system introduced to use sacrifices people would do to show what was needed to be seen for any of them to have the effective faith, that would be needed, which in Christ is effective for their salvation. Many were just performing sacrifices that were abominable to God, without that faith. It was just needless killing. There was not anything said that doing things of the commandments still was not right. Having that claimed from it is adding to the scriptures, though effectively dismissing scriptures. Of course all righteousness we need is from Christ, what God says to do is still right to be doing.

 

[BobRyan]

If the Sabbath was abolished, there would be many verses and much text to show it, yet there is none. The apostles would have had many discussions and the councils at Jerusalem would have written at least one with a determination of it being abolished and yet there is nothing. Paul exhorts in Corinthians that Circumcision is nothing in comparison to the Ten Commandments.

1 Corinthians 7:19
Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing, but the keeping of the commandments of God.

Since there are more than forty verses and up to ten verses at a time clearly stating that Circumcision of the flesh is a yoke of bondage and abolished, how many scriptures would you expect stating the Sabbath was abolished or changed to Sunday? Perhaps seventy or more? The fact is there is not even one verse that says, 'The Sabbath is abolished' or is now Sunday.

Acts 15:1-19 The Council at Jerusalem​

1 Certain people came down from Judea to Antioch and were teaching the believers: “Unless you are circumcised, according to the custom taught by Moses, you cannot be saved.” 2 This brought Paul and Barnabas into sharp dispute and debate with them. So Paul and Barnabas were appointed, along with some other believers, to go up to Jerusalem to see the apostles and elders about this question. 3 The church sent them on their way, and as they traveled through Phoenicia and Samaria, they told how the Gentiles had been converted. This news made all the believers very glad. 4 When they came to Jerusalem, they were welcomed by the church and the apostles and elders, to whom they reported everything God had done through them.
5 Then some of the believers who belonged to the party of the Pharisees stood up and said, “The Gentiles must be circumcised and required to keep the law of Moses.”
6 The apostles and elders met to consider this question. 7 After much discussion, Peter got up and addressed them: “Brothers, you know that some time ago God made a choice among you that the Gentiles might hear from my lips the message of the gospel and believe. 8 God, who knows the heart, showed that he accepted them by giving the Holy Spirit to them, just as he did to us. 9 He did not discriminate between us and them, for he purified their hearts by faith. 10 Now then, why do you try to test God by putting on the necks of Gentiles a yoke that neither we nor our ancestors have been able to bear? 11 No! We believe it is through the grace of our Lord Jesus that we are saved, just as they are.”
12 The whole assembly became silent as they listened to Barnabas and Paul telling about the signs and wonders God had done among the Gentiles through them. 13 When they finished, James spoke up. “Brothers,” he said, “listen to me. 14 Simon[a] has described to us how God first intervened to choose a people for his name from the Gentiles. 15 The words of the prophets are in agreement with this, as it is written:
16 “‘After this I will return
and rebuild David’s fallen tent.
Its ruins I will rebuild,
and I will restore it,
17 that the rest of mankind may seek the Lord,
even all the Gentiles who bear my name,
says the Lord, who does these things’[b]—
18 things known from long ago.[c]
19 “It is my judgment, therefore, that we should not make it difficult for the Gentiles who are turning to God. 20 Instead we should write to them, telling them to abstain from food polluted by idols, from sexual immorality, from the meat of strangled animals and from blood. 21 For the law of Moses has been preached in every city from the earliest times and is read in the synagogues on every Sabbath.”

The Ten Commandments are the only thing that God personally spoke and then personally etched His Law into stone tablets with His own finger. Yet there is not one clear scripture or commandment from Christ or even a direction from a apostle or as you can see from the Jerusalem Council to abolish the Sabbath anywhere in scripture, just a couple of erroneous assumptions. One of God's Commandments supposedly changes or is abolished and we do not have even one clear verse. Why not? The answer is simple. It was never abolished or changed to Sunday by the authority of God so no such scripture exists..

Good point. Every time you see the weekly Sabbath mentioned in the NT - it is always affirmed.

In Acts 18:4 Paul is preaching the Gospel to both gentiles and Jews "every Sabbath"
In Acts 13 it is specifically gentiles that ask for "MORE Gospel" teaching to be scheduled for them "on the NEXT Sabbath".
In Is 66:23 we have Sabbath in the New Earth where "from Sabbath to Sabbath shall all mankind come before Me to worship"

 

[FredVB]

Good point. Every time you see the weekly Sabbath mentioned in the NT - it is always affirmed.

In Acts 18:4 Paul is preaching the Gospel to both gentiles and Jews "every Sabbath"
In Acts 13 it is specifically gentiles that ask for "MORE Gospel" teaching to be scheduled for them "on the NEXT Sabbath".
In Is 66:23 we have Sabbath in the New Earth where "from Sabbath to Sabbath shall all mankind come before Me to worship"

It is only tradition that is appealed to for claiming Sabbath observance should be over, or Sunday as the first day of each week is for Christian assembly for them to worship together. That is absent in Bible passages, and since remembering Sabbath was so important that it had emphasis in many places, indeed there should be plenty showing that it would be over if it was, with Christ or his apostles providing that or several passages anyway showing it clearly yet that is certainly not there.

 

[FredVB]

There are people apparently, ones even going to church, who consider from any any speaking for the Sabbath, 'Oh no, another thing to have to do for God?!' They would think that God giving us things will be burdensome and not be trusting God for giving what would be good for us. They would not have such problem from more work they would be paid for coming to be required at their jobs. But the day Yahweh meant for rest from all that, to be yet more focused on things from God while we are basically at rest, is good for us to have. Those against that are not considering that there are such benefits, maybe they do not want to believe there would be such from God. It's like it is easier to not get much meant for us from God, with that being the case.

 

[CoreyD]

If the Sabbath was abolished, there would be many verses and much text to show it, yet there is none. The apostles would have had many discussions and the councils at Jerusalem would have written at least one with a determination of it being abolished and yet there is nothing. Paul exhorts in Corinthians that Circumcision is nothing in comparison to the Ten Commandments.

1 Corinthians 7:19
Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing, but the keeping of the commandments of God.

Since there are more than forty verses and up to ten verses at a time clearly stating that Circumcision of the flesh is a yoke of bondage and abolished, how many scriptures would you expect stating the Sabbath was abolished or changed to Sunday? Perhaps seventy or more? The fact is there is not even one verse that says, 'The Sabbath is abolished' or is now Sunday.

Acts 15:1-19 The Council at Jerusalem​

1 Certain people came down from Judea to Antioch and were teaching the believers: “Unless you are circumcised, according to the custom taught by Moses, you cannot be saved.” 2 This brought Paul and Barnabas into sharp dispute and debate with them. So Paul and Barnabas were appointed, along with some other believers, to go up to Jerusalem to see the apostles and elders about this question. 3 The church sent them on their way, and as they traveled through Phoenicia and Samaria, they told how the Gentiles had been converted. This news made all the believers very glad. 4 When they came to Jerusalem, they were welcomed by the church and the apostles and elders, to whom they reported everything God had done through them.
5 Then some of the believers who belonged to the party of the Pharisees stood up and said, “The Gentiles must be circumcised and required to keep the law of Moses.”
6 The apostles and elders met to consider this question. 7 After much discussion, Peter got up and addressed them: “Brothers, you know that some time ago God made a choice among you that the Gentiles might hear from my lips the message of the gospel and believe. 8 God, who knows the heart, showed that he accepted them by giving the Holy Spirit to them, just as he did to us. 9 He did not discriminate between us and them, for he purified their hearts by faith. 10 Now then, why do you try to test God by putting on the necks of Gentiles a yoke that neither we nor our ancestors have been able to bear? 11 No! We believe it is through the grace of our Lord Jesus that we are saved, just as they are.”
12 The whole assembly became silent as they listened to Barnabas and Paul telling about the signs and wonders God had done among the Gentiles through them. 13 When they finished, James spoke up. “Brothers,” he said, “listen to me. 14 Simon[a] has described to us how God first intervened to choose a people for his name from the Gentiles. 15 The words of the prophets are in agreement with this, as it is written:
16 “‘After this I will return
and rebuild David’s fallen tent.
Its ruins I will rebuild,
and I will restore it,
17 that the rest of mankind may seek the Lord,
even all the Gentiles who bear my name,
says the Lord, who does these things’[b]—
18 things known from long ago.[c]
19 “It is my judgment, therefore, that we should not make it difficult for the Gentiles who are turning to God. 20 Instead we should write to them, telling them to abstain from food polluted by idols, from sexual immorality, from the meat of strangled animals and from blood. 21 For the law of Moses has been preached in every city from the earliest times and is read in the synagogues on every Sabbath.”

The Ten Commandments are the only thing that God personally spoke and then personally etched His Law into stone tablets with His own finger. Yet there is not one clear scripture or commandment from Christ or even a direction from a apostle or as you can see from the Jerusalem Council to abolish the Sabbath anywhere in scripture, just a couple of erroneous assumptions. One of God's Commandments supposedly changes or is abolished and we do not have even one clear verse. Why not? The answer is simple. It was never abolished or changed to Sunday by the authority of God so no such scripture exists..

I'm sorry to be 30 pages late.
Most likely you got an answer. However, just in case...

There are "many verses and much" texts stating clearly that the Law ended - was abolished, along with its Sabbaths.

Romans 7:6
But now we have been released from the Law, having died to that which we were bound, in order for us to serve in newness of the Spirit, and not in oldness of the letter.

Romans 10:4
For Christ is the end of the law, to bring righteousness to everyone who believes.

2 Corinthians 3:11
For if that which is done away was glorious, much more that which remaineth is glorious.

Colossians 2:13-17
13 And you, being dead in your trespasses and the uncircumcision of your flesh, He has made alive together with Him, having forgiven you all trespasses, 14 having wiped out the handwriting of requirements that was against us, which was contrary to us. And He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross. 15 Having disarmed principalities and powers, He made a public spectacle of them, triumphing over them in it.
16 So let no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a festival or a new moon or sabbaths, 17 which are a shadow of things to come, but the substance is of Christ.

There are also many verses that state clearly that the Law of the Sabbath was given only to the Jews.

Exodus 31:16, 17
16 And the children of Israel shall keep the sabbaths, to observe them throughout their generations.
17 It is a perpetual covenant with me and the children of Israel, it is a perpetual sign with me; for in six days the Lord made the heaven and the earth, and on the seventh day he ceased, and rested.

Deuteronomy 5:3, 15
3 He did not make this covenant with our fathers, but with all of us who are alive here today.
15 Remember that you were a slave in the land of Egypt, and that the LORD your God brought you out of there with a mighty hand and an outstretched arm. That is why the LORD your God has commanded you to keep the Sabbath day.

 

[CoreyD]

Changing the priesthood does not suggest that the Sabbath has been abolished. God's nature is eternal, so the way to testify about His nature is also eternal, which includes testifying about God's holiness by keeping the Sabbath holy. The only way to abolish laws for how to be holy for God is holy would be to first abolish God's eternal holiness.

Did the Law change under the new priesthood, according to the scripture presented - Hebrews 7:11, 12?