Trump: "release the J6 hostages"

[FreeinChrist]

"No" the criminal thugs don't make the majority of peaceful attendees guilty as you suggest

Jan 6th wasn't a coordinated attack, nobody had guns at the event, except capitol police that were inviting attendees through the rotunda door, and giving escorts of the capitol building inside, smiles!

You seem to think the Rotunda doors went to the outside. They do not. No Capitol police were inviting the insurrectionists in. There were no "attendees" as there were to be no outside attendees to the Capitol that day. They were criminals, trespassers, and thieves, and vandals.

Stop spreading the untruths. smiles

 

[Truth7t7]

You seem to think the Rotunda doors went to the outside. They do not. No Capitol police were inviting the insurrectionists in. There were no "attendees" as there were to be no outside attendees to the Capitol that day. They were criminals, trespassers, and thieves, and vandals.

Stop spreading the untruths. smiles

I disagree, as the judge stated in post #243, attendees were allowed by capitol police to enter the rotunda door

The capitol police chief stated that capitol police were removing barricades allowing entrance and giving capitol escorts

 

[FreeinChrist]

I disagree, as the judge stated in post #243, attendees were allowed by capitol police to enter the rotunda door

The capitol police chief stated that capitol police were removing barricades allowing entrance and giving capitol escorts

I believe you misunderstand the prosecutor, perhaps because of bias, what he is saying. He is speaking as a prosecutor and they work on what will get the conviction. If the barricades were overturned by others who then broke into the Capitol, and they had video of the actions of those rioters, then they could get a conviction. If it seems like the rioters (protesters) were calmly walking in afterward and not filmed doing the damage, the best they could get is trespassing and with all that was coming in, was that worth the cost and time?

And the 6 officers who may have removed barricades, if that is what they did, then they were fired. Two wrongs do not make a right. The officers were as bad as a rioters, probably being Trump supporters themselves. The folks cruising past the downed barricades and broken glass, etc were still in error.

Don't be deceived that just because a few officers violated laws, that the protesters were just fine.

 

[Truth7t7]

I believe you misunderstand the prosecutor, perhaps because of bias, what he is saying. He is speaking as a prosecutor and they work on what will get the conviction. If the barricades were overturned by others who then broke into the Capitol, and they had video of the actions of those rioters, then they could get a conviction. If it seems like the rioters (protesters) were calmly walking in afterward and not filmed doing the damage, the best they could get is trespassing and with all that was coming in, was that worth the cost and time?

And the 6 officers who may have removed barricades, if that is what they did, then they were fired. Two wrongs do not make a right. The officers were as bad as a rioters, probably being Trump supporters themselves. The folks cruising past the downed barricades and broken glass, etc were still in error.

Don't be deceived that just because a few officers violated laws, that the protesters were just fine.

I Disagree, judge McFadden stated in post #243 that he watched the video of two capitol police allowing attendees to enter the rotunda door into the capitol building, is the judge lying?

 

[Hans Blaster]

The article is baloney. They actually interrupted the appeals of senators. Anyone who committed a violent act deserved prison time, including the police officer who gunned down an unarmed protestor. But to be there and walking by officers without them even saying you are not allowed to go in and then being put in prison is a travesty of justice. There should have been mo prison time for those who just technically trespassed.

Mr. Little, the subject of the judge's comments you replied to, was sentenced to a combined jail/probation term, but appealed the sentence on the grounds that the law didn't provide for lesser misdemeanors including jail and probation. The appeals court agreed and the case was remanded for resentencing. Since the judge found that Little had not complied with the probation program or expressed any remorse for his wrong doing, he resentenced little to only jail and that jail term was longer than the original. A classic case of being careful what you wish for.

 

[Hans Blaster]

Jan 6th wasn't a coordinated attack, nobody had guns at the event, except capitol police that were inviting attendees through the rotunda door, and giving escorts of the capitol building inside, smiles!

Not only did several of them have guns, but one was arrested *this month* for discharging that gun into the air outside the Capitol while the riot occurred. Like a handful of other serious threats, he is currently being held in jail pre-trial. (Does that make him one of the J6-Hostages, I guess so.)

Trump supporter charged with firing gun during Jan. 6 attack ordered detained

 

[JustOneWay]

"No" the criminal thugs don't make the majority of peaceful attendees guilty as you suggest

I never said that. You misread what I wrote and presented this. Maybe you should go back and read what I wrote. "They were overshadowed by the evil criminal thugs who spoiled it for everybody, Please stop with the gaslighting."

You are free to apologize and withdraw your incorrect assumption.

 

[JustOneWay]

Hardly the proclaimed planned insurrection to overthrow the US government with the absence of firearms, while in the presence of a heavily armed police presence

Heavily armed police...who were ordered to not use their guns. LOL

 

[wing2000]

"No" the criminal thugs don't make the majority of peaceful attendees guilty as you suggest

I made no such suggestion. I only asked if you would salute the thugs, calling them "J6 hostages", as Donald Trump did at the campaign event. To be clear, you would not salute them and consider them J6 hostages?

 

[NxNW]

The vast majority that entered the capitol building were peaceful, and entrance was allowed by capitol police as post #243 above clearly describes

Donald Trump described them as violent criminals to the Supreme Court recently. Was he lying?

 

[FreeinChrist]

I Disagree, judge McFadden stated in post #243 that he watched the video of two capitol police allowing attendees to enter the rotunda door into the capitol building, is the judge lying?

Yes, there is video of two Capitol Police officers ALLOWING protestors to enter the Rotunda door - but that is because so many insurrectionists were already in the Capitol, and the police officers were overwhelmed and under-armed for the situation.

That is different than "escorting attendees" into the Rotunda door - which is not to the outside of the Capitol but is in the MIDDLE of the Capitol.

Some want to believe the fantasy that the officers were overjoyed and happy to forego the instructions of the day, that there were to be no tours and that no one .was to come watch the electoral vote.

Here are some more of your "attendees":

I watched at home as Jan. 6th unfolded. May God hold every insurrectionist, protestor or "attendee" to account and that those supporting those actions that day be held to account as well.

 

[rambot]

Jan 6th wasn't a coordinated attack,

A "poorly coordinated attack" is not the same as "not a coordinated attack". The fact that

nobody had guns at the event,

Sounds like someone did.
Also, quite a few people had weapons
Also, quite a few people used weapons
Also, quite a few people hurt police officers.
Also, you've seen all of this and choose to ignore it.

except capitol police that were inviting attendees through the rotunda door, and giving escorts of the capitol building inside, smiles!

If this was a truly convincing argument, how come so few of these conspirators are able to utilize it to avoid persecution?

Bonus points: If you can use logic and evidence and not just "bargle bargle...conspiiiiiiracy!"

 

[rambot]

Donald Trump described them as violent criminals to the Supreme Court recently. Was he lying?

Well....that's a tricky one.

 

[Truth7t7]

No the barricades were all around the Capitol and they were not ordered to remove them. They were knocked down.

https://edition.cnn.com/2022/01/04/politics/fact-check-capitol-insurrection-january-6-lies/index.html

Lie: The rioters were completely unarmed......​

Facts First: It’s not even close to true that all of the people at the Capitol on January 6 were unarmed – and the claim is still false even if it is specifically about guns. People who illegally entered Capitol grounds during the insurrection were armed with a wide variety of weapons, including guns, stun guns, knives, batons, baseball bats, axes and chemical sprays. The Department of Justice said in an official update last week that so far “over 75” people charged in connection to the attack “have been charged with entering a restricted area with a dangerous or deadly weapon.”​

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Lie: The rioters were invited into the Capitol by police​

Facts First: The claim that the rioters were invited into the Capitol is false. Again, about 140 police officers were assaulted while trying to stop the mob from breaching the Capitol. There were hours-long battles between police and rioters near some entrances. CNN obtained footage from police body-worn cameras showing how dozens of officers engaged in hand-to-hand combat with rioters in a desperate effort to keep them out of the building.​

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There are plenty of instances where rioters waltzed into the Capitol without a fight, but only after they had stormed past barricades and, in some cases, even stepped through broken windows. In some areas, police were so outnumbered by the mob that they retreated, stood aside or tried to politely engage with rioters to de-escalate the situation rather than fighting or making arrests, but that is clearly not the same as welcoming rioters into the building...........​

‘They Got a Officer!’: How a Mob Dragged and Beat Police at the Capitol (Published 2021)

Videos show pro-Trump rioters pulling three officers down a set of stairs during a violent attempt to breach the building.

www.nytimes.com

The Jan. 6 assault on the Capitol building by a pro-Trump mob left a police officer and a rioter dead. More than 50 members of the U.S. Capitol Police were injured, including 15 who required hospitalization, most of them with head wounds, according to Representative Tim Ryan, Democrat of Ohio.​

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Of all the scenes of violence, one of the most intense occurred during a struggle to breach a west-side door, during which multiple rioters dragged police officers out of a formation and assaulted them while they were trapped in the crowd.​

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a still from one video in that article:

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May those who did these terrible things be brought to repentance, and may God forgive those who attempt to justify the mod actions of that day.​

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I Disagree

 

[Hans Blaster]

I Disagree

With what? Facts? You do try to disagree with facts an awful lot on this topic.

 

[Truth7t7]

If this was a truly convincing argument, how come so few of these conspirators are able to utilize it to avoid persecution?

Bonus points: If you can use logic and evidence and not just "bargle bargle...conspiiiiiiracy!"

Post #243 clearly shows judge McFadden watching video of capitol police officers allowing attendees into the rotunda door for entrance into the capitol building, was Judge McFadden lying?

NPR​

Judge issues the first outright acquittal of a defendant charged over the Jan. 6 riot​

April 7, 2022

The judge, however, said video shows two police officers standing near the Rotunda doors and allowing people to enter as Martin approached. One of the officers appeared to lean back before Martin placed a hand on the officer's shoulder as a possible sign of gratitude, the judge said.

McFadden described Martin's testimony as "largely credible." The judge said it was not unreasonable for him to believe that officers allowed him to enter the Capitol, even though alarms were blaring and broken glass was strewn about the floor.

 

[Truth7t7]

Well....that's a tricky one.

By all means please post your claim of Donald J. Trump with a citation other than yourself, waiting?

 

[Truth7t7]

Not only did several of them have guns, but one was arrested *this month* for discharging that gun into the air outside the Capitol while the riot occurred. Like a handful of other serious threats, he is currently being held in jail pre-trial. (Does that make him one of the J6-Hostages, I guess so.)

Trump supporter charged with firing gun during Jan. 6 attack ordered detained

Allegations 3+ years after, hearing is scheduled for Mar 21, 2024

The FBI nor the Capitol police seized any firearms during the "DAYTIME" event

 

[Hans Blaster]

Allegations 3+ years after, hearing is scheduled for Mar 21, 2024

So. The statute of limitations is 5 years. Arrest can happen anytime with in 5 years of the crime and be valid. Arrests have happened every month (and most weeks) since Jan 6, 2001, starting on Jan 13, 2001.

 

[Bradskii]

Allegations 3+ years after, hearing is scheduled for Mar 21, 2024

The FBI nor the Capitol police seized any firearms during the "DAYTIME" event

Let's say Trump beats Biden come November and there is no real doubt about the result. But Biden claims the election has been rigged somehow. And he holds a rally near the Capitol and suggests that they all go down there and fight for their rights. And the exact same thing happens again.

Is this then OK as far as you are concerned? Would it just be an example of citizens standing up for their rights?