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Trump: "release the J6 hostages"
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I don't mind how you phrase it. 'Fighting for your rights' seemed reasonable. But Trump most definitely kept saying that the election was stolen, so let's have Biden say exactly the same thing. So if all the initial comments etc were exactly the same and the result was exactly the same then would it be acceptable?
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stevil
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What we know, is that D Trump speaks in code, to protect himself. That's what crime bosses do.
Put him on ice
Make him swim with the fishes
They never say stuff to directly incriminate themselves.
The get their lackies to take all the risk.
It was clear during D Trump's Jan 6 speech that he was inciting the crowd:
Making the Case for Trump’s January 6th Speech as Incitement - Princeton Legal Journal
By Beck Reiferson — On January 12th, Alan Dershowitz, Professor Emeritus at Harvard Law School and one of the nation’s most prominent attorneys, published an op-ed in the publication Newsweek in which he argued against the second impeachment of President Donald Trump on constitutional grounds...
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Though it is true that Trump did not explicitly ask his followers to raid the Capitol in his January 6th speech, that does not preclude the possibility that he still advocated for the use of force
a close examination of his speech reveals several instances in which he employed coded, implicit appeals for those in the audience to take matters into their own hands to reverse the results of the election.
“We will never give up, we will never concede… You don’t concede when there’s theft involved,”
He also thanked the audience after they broke out into the chant, “Fight for Trump!” and then immediately brought up the military and the Secret Service—two organizations closely connected with the use of force. Taken in conjunction with one another, these statements, along with many other similar ones that pervade the rest of the speech, express the sentiment that the ends of delivering the election victory to its ‘rightful’ winner justify whatever means are necessary to secure that end.
“fight like hell, [since if you don’t] you’re not going to have a country anymore,”
D Trump watched for over 3 hours as the crowd attacked the capital, broke in, attacked police, chanted "Hang Mike Pence"
For over three hours D Trump did nothing but watch.
Finally well over 3 hours later he called them off to which they quickly stopped the invasion of the Capital.
D Trump said to the attackers
"I know your pain. I know you're hurt. We had an election that was stolen from us," Trump said in the minute-long video. "It was a landslide election and everyone knows it especially the other side."
So go home, we love you, you're very special. You've seen what happens, you've seen the way others are treated that are so bad and so evil. I know how you feel, but go home and go home in peace."
"These are the things and events that happen when a sacred landslide election victory is so unceremoniously & viciously stripped away from great patriots who have been badly & unfairly treated for so long. Go home with love & in peace. Remember this day forever!"
And now D Trump has made 2024 campaign promise to pardon those at the insurrection, those that we found guilty of harming police, those that pled guilty to seditious conspiracy.
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Like I said, we'll assume exactly the same words. Exactly the same situation. Exactly the same result, except it was Democrats that ended up in the Capitol.
Would that be acceptable to you?
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Donald J. Trump instructed the attendees to peacefully and patriotically make their voices heard
Those breaking the law in assault, vandalism, were against the direction given, and should be charged and prosecuted accordingly
The capitol police removed barricades allowing entrance, they allowed access into the capitol through the rotunda door to mention one
The FBI nor Capitol Police seized fire arms during this daytime event, the vast "minority" of vandals and thugs present on Jan 6th doesn't represent the majority
The MSM false claims of insurrection have failed long ago
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...so all those people who crossed the police line and forcefully entered the US Capitol apparently misread Trump's intent. And as they caried out mayhem, Trump wasn't exactly discouraging them as his aids and famly members begged him to call them off.
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....from earlier today, another witness' testimony revealed:
The threat from President Donald J. Trump to his vice president, Mike Pence, was clear and direct: If you defy my effort to overturn the 2020 election by certifying the results, your future in Republican politics is over.
“Mike, this is a political career killer if you do this,” Mr. Trump told Mr. Pence by phone on the morning of Jan. 6, 2021, according to the White House valet who was with the president for much of the day and told Congress he had overheard the conversation.
The testimony of Mr. Trump’s valet, provided to the now-defunct House Jan. 6 Committee in 2022 but not previously released publicly, offers a rare firsthand look into the former president’s behavior in the hours before, during and after a mob of his supporters stormed the Capitol seeking to halt the certification of President Biden’s victory.
In the valet’s account, laid out in a transcript obtained by The New York Times, an agitated Mr. Trump pressured Mr. Pence to overturn the election and stewed about Mr. Pence’s refusal for hours after violence engulfed Congress. Told that a civilian had been shot outside the House chamber amid the mob attack, he recalled, Mr. Trump appeared unconcerned.
www.nytimes.com
The threat from President Donald J. Trump to his vice president, Mike Pence, was clear and direct: If you defy my effort to overturn the 2020 election by certifying the results, your future in Republican politics is over.
“Mike, this is a political career killer if you do this,” Mr. Trump told Mr. Pence by phone on the morning of Jan. 6, 2021, according to the White House valet who was with the president for much of the day and told Congress he had overheard the conversation.
The testimony of Mr. Trump’s valet, provided to the now-defunct House Jan. 6 Committee in 2022 but not previously released publicly, offers a rare firsthand look into the former president’s behavior in the hours before, during and after a mob of his supporters stormed the Capitol seeking to halt the certification of President Biden’s victory.
In the valet’s account, laid out in a transcript obtained by The New York Times, an agitated Mr. Trump pressured Mr. Pence to overturn the election and stewed about Mr. Pence’s refusal for hours after violence engulfed Congress. Told that a civilian had been shot outside the House chamber amid the mob attack, he recalled, Mr. Trump appeared unconcerned.
Trump Told Pence Certifying Election Would Be ‘Career Killer,’ Valet Testified (Published 2024)
President Donald J. Trump warned his vice president against failing to overturn the 2020 election results, according to an account by the White House valet by his side on Jan. 6.
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All conspiracy silliness.What we know, is that D Trump speaks in code, to protect himself. That's what crime bosses do.
Put him on ice
Make him swim with the fishes
They never say stuff to directly incriminate themselves.
The get their lackies to take all the risk.
It was clear during D Trump's Jan 6 speech that he was inciting the crowd:
Making the Case for Trump’s January 6th Speech as Incitement - Princeton Legal Journal
By Beck Reiferson — On January 12th, Alan Dershowitz, Professor Emeritus at Harvard Law School and one of the nation’s most prominent attorneys, published an op-ed in the publication Newsweek in which he argued against the second impeachment of President Donald Trump on constitutional grounds...
Though it is true that Trump did not explicitly ask his followers to raid the Capitol in his January 6th speech, that does not preclude the possibility that he still advocated for the use of force
a close examination of his speech reveals several instances in which he employed coded, implicit appeals for those in the audience to take matters into their own hands to reverse the results of the election.
“We will never give up, we will never concede… You don’t concede when there’s theft involved,”
He also thanked the audience after they broke out into the chant, “Fight for Trump!” and then immediately brought up the military and the Secret Service—two organizations closely connected with the use of force. Taken in conjunction with one another, these statements, along with many other similar ones that pervade the rest of the speech, express the sentiment that the ends of delivering the election victory to its ‘rightful’ winner justify whatever means are necessary to secure that end.
“fight like hell, [since if you don’t] you’re not going to have a country anymore,”
D Trump watched for over 3 hours as the crowd attacked the capital, broke in, attacked police, chanted "Hang Mike Pence"
For over three hours D Trump did nothing but watch.
Finally well over 3 hours later he called them off to which they quickly stopped the invasion of the Capital.
D Trump said to the attackers
"I know your pain. I know you're hurt. We had an election that was stolen from us," Trump said in the minute-long video. "It was a landslide election and everyone knows it especially the other side."
So go home, we love you, you're very special. You've seen what happens, you've seen the way others are treated that are so bad and so evil. I know how you feel, but go home and go home in peace."
"These are the things and events that happen when a sacred landslide election victory is so unceremoniously & viciously stripped away from great patriots who have been badly & unfairly treated for so long. Go home with love & in peace. Remember this day forever!"
And now D Trump has made 2024 campaign promise to pardon those at the insurrection, those that we found guilty of harming police, those that pled guilty to seditious conspiracy.
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