Israel-Hamas Thread II

[civilwarbuff]

Despite all the bluster you didn't answer this question. You are an ardent supporter of Israel in this conflict and so I am asking if you agree with this statement:

Eitan is a former Israeli army Chief-of-Staff General
from: In a state of cruelty

Jewish academic and expert on Gaza, Norman Finkelstein, has said that the Israelis are treating the Gazans as cockroaches, forcing them to scuttle from one hiding place to another
Warsaw-Rafah: Scurrying Cockroaches | Norman Finkelstein

I could try to explain it but I am afraid that you, most likely having never spent a day in your life in uniform, would simply be unable to grasp it. I don't believe, from the posts you have written here, that your mind is open enough to understand the purpose of it.
Let me assure you: I am sure the gazans have descriptive words when referring to the Israeli's.....many of which could not be repeated here. So yes, cockroaches is pretty tame by comparison.

 

[civilwarbuff]

"Gazan mouthpieces"

The 'evidence' you submitted with your post.

You didn't define what you meant by "Gazan mouthpieces" but assuming you mean the casualty figures published by the Gazan Health Authority, Reuters etc have stated the accuracy of their figures. If not the GHA, who did you mean?

See post #2322 for what Reuters wrote about the GHA

I will repeat the question that I stated in another post on this(?) thread: Has anyone gone and counted the bodies? I don't believe Hamas figures any more than I believe Israeli figures. All governments lie during wartime (Though IIRC, FDR insisted that the bodies of American GI's on the shores of Tarawa(?) be left in a sanctioned newsreel for people to see).

And I will throw in a second question somewhat related to my statement: The casualty reports only say 'women and children'. Are there no men in gaza?....or are they all in hiding leaving their families in vulnerable positions to become casualties? (Hamas would really love that, great propaganda to get large women/children deaths).....Or are all the men busy working for Hamas?....(Hamas would love that too).

 

[ralliann]

Yes and some of those Moslems living peacefully in Israel were found to be collecting data for Hamas.

I did not know that.

 

[Vanellus]

I could try to explain it but I am afraid that you, most likely having never spent a day in your life in uniform, would simply be unable to grasp it. I don't believe, from the posts you have written here, that your mind is open enough to understand the purpose of it.
Let me assure you: I am sure the gazans have descriptive words when referring to the Israeli's.....many of which could not be repeated here. So yes, cockroaches is pretty tame by comparison.

So do you think that is ok for such a high ranking Israeli military commander to describe Palestinians as cockroaches. The question expects a one word answer from you: yes or no.

 

[ralliann]

Do you think the life of a Christian in Gaza is of more value than the life of a Muslim by virtue of their religion?

Is that what you got from his conversation? Obviously it is the religion of one person that is the cause of the hatred and murder.

 

[civilwarbuff]

You: "It points out that the Gazans are simply shooting themselves in the foot"
Me: "Agreeing with something is not generally punishable by death in any legal system I know"
You: "Navalny might have a different opinion....."

Not a comparison. That was 2 separate responses to your 2 separate statements.

 

[civilwarbuff]

So do you think that is ok for such a high ranking Israeli military commander to describe Palestinians as cockroaches. The question expects a one word answer from you: yes or no.

I have no problem with it. I would say that is a commander relating to his troops.

 

[Vanellus]

And I will throw in a second question somewhat related to my statement: The casualty reports only say 'women and children'. Are there no men in gaza?....

This is false e.g.

The ministry does not distinguish between civilians and combatants in its records, but says around two-thirds of those killed were women and children. More than 69,000 Palestinians have been wounded, overwhelming the territory’s hospitals, less than half of which are even partially functioning.

More than 29,000 Palestinians have been killed in Gaza since war's start, health ministry says

 

[ralliann]

So do you think that is ok for such a high ranking Israeli military commander to describe Palestinians as cockroaches. The question expects a one word answer from you: yes or no.

If that is all Hamas ever did, I personally would prefer it absolutely. Name calling vs cruel murderous genocide, would be comical if you were not serious.

 

[Vanellus]

I have no problem with it. I would say that is a commander relating to his troops.

It was a Knesset parliamentary committee

 

[Vanellus]

Not a comparison. That was 2 separate responses to your 2 separate statements.

Why bring Navalny into a thread about Israel-Hamas? it was wholly irrelevant.

 

[Vanellus]

I will repeat the question that I stated in another post on this(?) thread: Has anyone gone and counted the bodies? I don't believe Hamas figures any more than I believe Israeli figures. All governments lie during wartime (Though IIRC, FDR insisted that the bodies of American GI's on the shores of Tarawa(?) be left in a sanctioned newsreel for people to see).

Post 2322 describes. While the morgues existed and those counting were still alive it was done by counting bodies in hospital morgues. An estimate can be made from satellite imagery of the damage - which I recall was close to the quoted figures.

 

[civilwarbuff]

"The ministry does not distinguish between civilians and combatants in its records, but says around two-thirds of those killed were women and children. More than 69,000 Palestinians have been wounded, overwhelming the territory’s hospitals, less than half of which are even partially functioning."
Why the disproportionate numbers? Again, where are the men? If it is safer where they are why not take their families with them?

 

[JosephZ]

Why the disproportionate numbers? Again, where are the men? If it is safer where they are why not take their families with them?

1/3 of those killed are men. You also have to remember that children make up around 1/2 of Gaza's population.

 

[civilwarbuff]

It was a Knesset parliamentary committee

You said: "...a high ranking Israeli military commander to describe Palestinians as cockroaches." Why does it make a difference where he is when he says it?

 

[civilwarbuff]

Why bring Navalny into a thread about Israel-Hamas? it was wholly irrelevant.

Your quote below:

Agreeing with something is not generally punishable by death in any legal system I know. It's also a huge assumption by you based on nothing except maybe politically motivated polls or so called news coverage aimed at dehumanising Palestinians (referred to as cockroaches etc. by some Israelis).

I pointed out a legal system where it CAN be punishable by death.
You should be more careful with your words.....or get better info before writing.

 

[civilwarbuff]

Post 2322 describes. While the morgues existed and those counting were still alive it was done by counting bodies in hospital morgues. An estimate can be made from satellite imagery of the damage - which I recall was close to the quoted figures.

So, Hamas did the counting. You know, that group that lies, kill civilians (even their own) and espouses an undying hatred to anything remotely Jewish? Yep, I'd trust'em too......SMH

 

[civilwarbuff]

1/3 of those killed are men.

Just curious, where does that number come from? Maybe they are Hamas?

 

[Vanellus]

Your quote below:

I pointed out a legal system where it CAN be punishable by death.
You should be more careful with your words.....or get better info before writing.

Hence you were comparing Russia with Israel since we are discussing the idea of Israel justifying killing Gazans for allegedly agreeing with Oct 7. And are you sure the alleged murder of Navalny would actually be legal in Russian law?

 

[Vanellus]

So, Hamas did the counting. You know, that group that lies, kill civilians (even their own) and espouses an undying hatred to anything remotely Jewish? Yep, I'd trust'em too......SMH

"Hamas" is a broad term that includes their armed wing but also the political party governing Gaza (IRA + Sinn Fein). One wouldn't say an NHS doctor was "Tory" (the current UK government) even though they are being paid by the Tory government.