YEC is physically impossible

[BCP1928]

"Creationism" is certainly not specific enough for me?

And then it also being "wrong", etc? I hope you mean "incorrect" or "in error", and not like in any way morally, etc? Because that just doesn't apply to things like this here, etc?

What about "creationism through natural processes" going all the way back to the beginnings of the earth or the universe maybe, etc? Is that in any way quote/unquote "wrong", etc?

Perhaps. The founder of modern Creationism, Henry Morris, put it this way: "The purpose of the theory of evolution is to deny the existence of God." That is a slanderous falsehood, frequently repeated in various ways, and as such, morally wrong.

And I also believe in a separate special creation of a race or species of man, or human, in a small localized chosen area in the middle east around 4-6000 years ago also, along with an evolved race or species that was pretty much everywhere except that area at the time also, etc, but that's just a belief I hold, or a theory I have, etc, but it is one that also cannot be disproven yet by any other facts so far, etc, so is believing in that for the time being quote/unquote "wrong", etc? I already know it's not morally "wrong", etc, and as for it's being not correct or not, etc, I've seen absolutely no evidence that can disprove the theory thus far, etc? So how can it then be quote/unquote "wrong", as in being totally incorrect "wrong", etc?

But if your talking about YEC creationism, of like the earth or the universe or whatever, well, I've already told you my views on that, and that I think it's incorrect or "wrong", etc.

FYI, when "creationism" comes up in these discussions, you can be almost certain that it's YEC that is being referred to. But be careful; Creationists (YECs) like to pretend that it's God they are defending, not merely their interpretation of Genesis. Other kinds of creationists are seen as more dangerous to them than atheists.

God Bless.

 

[AV1611VET]

But I'll just only mention just one single thing among so very many right now, ok, as just an example for you to work from, ok. You said that the Bible says that Michael, Gabriel, and Lucifer were the ones (and only ones) that were present with God during creation when he was making things, etc.

No, I did not.

Here's what I said:

Job 38:6 Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof;
7 When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?


Those sons of God (angels) included: Michael, Gabriel, and Lucifer.

Three eyewitnesses by name.

The sons of God are God's angels.

All of them.

Millions and millions of them.

And among those millions and millions are three, INCLUDED by name: Michael, Gabriel, and Lucifer.

They shouted for joy, along with the millions and millions of other angels who did so.

Later, Lucifer would rebel, along with one-third of these other millions and millions.

 

[d taylor]

As Paul put it ...

Ephesians 6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

Satan has an infrastructure on the earth, and if the nine muses, who are in charge of science and the arts, are nine fallen angels, then I look at his infrastructure this way:

First Satan.

Then the nine muses working for him, in charge of science and the arts.

Then the lesser fallen angels, working for the muses, in charge of influencing our academic teachers.

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Well the kingdom's of the world offer was rejected by Jesus, but satan has a man coming who will accept satan's offer. The man of sin/beast from the sea and will rule the earth for a short time. But until that time satan is happy giving a counterfeit creation developed by man.

 

[Neogaia777]

@AV1611VET

I'm just going to mention the verse that you completely left out of the creation account that I consider to be vitally important and that I think gives us a big huge clue, ok.

Genesis 2:4 in some translations can read "And this a complete history of a heaven and a earth in the days that they are ever made."

And if this doesn't give you a huge clue, then I don't know what will, etc.

And if I were to take some more liberty with it "And this is always and forever a complete history from beginning to end of always a heaven and a earth in the days/day (notice the single day for all seven) in the time(s) that they ever are or were ever started and/or made, etc.

God Bless.

 

[AV1611VET]

Perhaps. The founder of modern Creationism, Henry Morris, put it this way: "The purpose of the theory of evolution is to deny the existence of God." That is a slanderous falsehood, frequently repeated in various ways, and as such, morally wrong.

You're thinking "under the sun," as Solomon put it.

Perhaps it wasn't the Father of Evolution's INTENT to deny the existence of God.

But pull the curtain back and we can see someone else running the show.

This is why I claim that both The Preservation of Favoured Races in the Struggle for Life and My Struggle were written by the same author (i.e., Satan).

 

[AV1611VET]

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Well the kingdom's of the world offer was rejected by Jesus,

Correct.

God created the world and gave it to Adam.

Adam turned it over to Satan.

Satan offered it to Jesus (with strings attached).

Jesus declined the offer; but He will return soon and take it back by force.

... but satan has a man coming who will accept satan's offer. The man of sin/beast from the sea and will rule the earth for a short time. But until that time satan is happy giving a counterfeit creation developed by man.

And in the meantime, evolution is going to wax stronger and stronger; until Jesus comes back and puts an end to it once and for all.

 

[Neogaia777]

No, I did not.

Here's what I said:

Job 38:6 Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof;
7 When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?


Those sons of God (angels) included: Michael, Gabriel, and Lucifer.

Three eyewitnesses by name.

The sons of God are God's angels.

All of them.

Millions and millions of them.

And among those millions and millions are three, INCLUDED by name: Michael, Gabriel, and Lucifer.

They shouted for joy, along with the millions and millions of other angels who did so.

Later, Lucifer would rebel, along with one-third of these other millions and millions.

My mistake, I thought you were saying that it was just those three there, and that they were mentioned by name, etc. But yes, all of the angels were there, and they were all rejoicing at the time, and those three are the only three angels in the Bible specifically mentioned by name, etc.

But the idea that those were the only three archangels, or were the only chief three, is still just a theory at present, etc. Likely maybe, but still never specifically stated specifically in the Bible anywhere directly, etc.

God Bless.

 

[BCP1928]

You're thinking "under the sun," as Solomon put it.

Perhaps it wasn't the Father of Evolution's INTENT to deny the existence of God.

But pull the curtain back and we can see someone else running the show.

This is why I claim that both The Preservation of Favoured Races in the Struggle for Life and My Struggle were written by the same author (i.e., Satan).

But the theory of evolution doesn't deny the existence of God, regardless of the intentions of its author or his usurper.

 

[d taylor]

Correct.

God created the world and gave it to Adam.

Adam turned it over to Satan.

Satan offered it to Jesus (with strings attached).

Jesus declined the offer; but He will return soon and take it back by force.



And in the meantime, evolution is going to wax stronger and stronger; until Jesus comes back and puts an end to it once and for all.

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It will not surprise me if it replaces the Genesis account in many churches in the future.

 

[AV1611VET]

@AV1611VET

I'm just going to mention the verse that you completely left out of the creation account that I consider to be vitally important and that I think gives us a big huge clue, ok.

Are you satisfied that God told us what He did, when He did it, where He did it, how He did it, what order He did it in, how long it took Him to do it, why it took Him that long, and who the eyewitnesses were (some by name)?

If not, I'm done with this.

 

[Neogaia777]

Are you satisfied that God told us what He did, when He did it, where He did it, how He did it, what order He did it in, how long it took Him to do it, why it took Him that long, and who the eyewitnesses were (some by name)?

If not, I'm done with this.

You also said "why" earlier, but, yeah, I'll stop relpying to you for a little while if you like?

Didn't mean to offend or provoke you AV.

God Bless.

 

[AV1611VET]

But the theory of evolution doesn't deny the existence of God, regardless of the intentions of its author or his usurper.

Why would it?

It was written by the author of confusion, who simply left that part out so as to allow wiggle room for theistic evolution to clash with secular evolution.

 

[AV1611VET]

It will not surprise me if it replaces the Genesis account in many churches in the future.

Psychoheresy is the intrusion of worldly philosophies into God's churches.

 

[BCP1928]

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It will not surprise me if it replaces the Genesis account in many churches in the future.

Why? Genesis is foundational. Why would we want to replace it with a mere scientific description?

 

[AV1611VET]

You also said "why" earlier, but, yeah, I'll stop relpying to you for a little while if you like?

Didn't mean to offend or provoke you AV.

God Bless.

Not at all, Neogaia.

 

[BCP1928]

Why would it?

It was written by the author of confusion, who simply left that part out so as to allow wiggle room for theistic evolution to clash with secular evolution.

That's not working, either. Theistic evolutionists are pretty much lined up with secular evolutionists against YECs.

 

[Neogaia777]

Not at all, Neogaia.

Either way, if I don't get any more replies, I might take a short break for a little while, ok.

Take Care AV!

God Bless.

 

[AV1611VET]

Theistic evolutionists are pretty much lined up with secular evolutionists against YECs.

And they're all three wrong, aren't they?

(In my opinion.)

 

[AV1611VET]

Either way, if I don't get any more replies, I might take a short break for a little while, ok.

Take Care AV!

God Bless.

You too, my friend!

 

[sjastro]

Maybe.

But you aren't, are you?

And it looks to me like you're trying to agree with me that science can't test our (God's, actually) claims.

And trying to keep science from looking myopic at the same time.

You still don't get it.
The burden of proof requires the evidence to show Jesus walked on water, if you can't provide the evidence then science has no role in trying to prove your faith.