Of course you know about the religious right...

[RileyG]

In a discussion of both transgendered and cisgendered people, it is well to have a term for which one you mean at any given point.

You can go your entire life and the next without ever having to use the term "cis" but not everyone is just like you. Why protest other people from using a handy term?

Why use the term cisgendered? Why not just say normal or biological?

 

[essentialsaltes]

Not necessary when discussing people if you just use the word transgender everyone knows who you are talking about. Everyone else is not transgender.

And feel free to use use whatever term you want. It's a free country.

OK, but your preferred adjective is non-transgendered (or "not transgendered").

 

[Bradskii]

Why use the term cisgendered? Why not just say normal or biological?

Same reason why we have the word 'straight.'

 

[QvQ]

Same reason why we have the word 'straight.'

Normal, biological and straight are old words.
It is a shame that a perfectly fine word with a specific meaning, that word being "gay" has been slanged into an entirely different meaning.
"Gay" is never used in it's original meaning and there aren't synonyms that are sufficient to take it's place.
I wouldn't use the word "cis." It has some connotation I don't quite like. (JMHO)

 

[ozso]

"Cis-gender" carries the connotation that it's just one of many so-called genders available.

It's like something out of futurist science fiction written by the likes of Huxley, Wells and Bradbury.

 

[A2SG]

"Cis-gender" carries the connotation that it's just one of many so-called genders available.

It's like something out of futurist science fiction written by the likes of Huxley, Wells and Bradbury.

Well, since "gender" is a function of identity (as opposed to biology), there can be as many identities as there are people, really. Each of us has a unique gender identity, and how we express our gender identity can be quite different, even among others who share the same biological sex as we do.

Compare John Wayne to, say, Paul Lynde. Or Taylor Swift to k.d. lang, if you prefer.

-- A2SG, gender's more of a spectrum than a binary either/or kinda thing...

 

[ozso]

Well, since "gender" is a function of identity (as opposed to biology), there can be as many identities as there are people, really. Each of us has a unique gender identity, and how we express our gender identity can be quite different, even among others who share the same biological sex as we do.

Compare John Wayne to, say, Paul Lynde. Or Taylor Swift to k.d. lang, if you prefer.

-- A2SG, gender's more of a spectrum than a binary either/or kinda thing...

I'm familiar with that baloney.

 

[A2SG]

I'm familiar with that baloney.

Why do you call it "baloney"? Do you disagree that people can have their own identity, and their own individual way to express their gender identity in ways that might differ from others who share the same genitalia?

-- A2SG, what's "baloney" about that, exactly....

 

[Bradskii]

It is a shame that a perfectly fine word with a specific meaning, that word being "gay" has been slanged into an entirely different meaning.
"Gay" is never used in it's original meaning...

From here: gay | Etymology of gay by etymonline

'The "Dictionary of American Slang" reports that gay (adj.) was used by homosexuals, among themselves, in this sense at least since 1920. Rawson ["Wicked Words"] notes a male prostitute using gay in reference to male homosexuals (but also to female prostitutes) in London's notorious Cleveland Street Scandal of 1889.'

Oh, you want the original meaning...

'The meaning "stately and beautiful; splendid and showily dressed" is from early 14c. Of things, "sumptuous, showy, rich, ornate," mid-14c. of colors, etc., "shining, glittering, gleaming, bright, vivid," late 14c.; of persons, "dressed up, decked out in finery," also late 14c. '

Is 700 years ago back far enough?

 

[Bradskii]

I'm familiar with that baloney.

John Wayne and Paul Lynde seem to be the same type of person to you? Really? Are the terms effeminate and macho familiar to you?

 

[ozso]

John Wayne and Paul Lynde seem to be the same type of person to you? Really? Are the terms effeminate and macho familiar to you?

What was John Wayne's gender? What was Paul Lynde's gender? What was Soupy Sales gender?

 

[A2SG]

John Wayne and Paul Lynde seem to be the same type of person to you? Really? Are the terms effeminate and macho familiar to you?

Yeah, can you picture John Wayne in this scene:

-- A2SG, what's the story, morning glory...

 

[A2SG]

What was John Wayne's gender? What was Paul Lynde's gender? What was Soupy Sales gender?

How did they express their individual gender identities? In different ways, of course. Just like everyone else.

Unless you're trying to make the point that these three individuals expressed their gender identity in exactly the same way.

Is that what you're saying?

-- A2SG, can't seem to picture The Duke telling kids to sneak into their parents bedroom and send him those "funny green pieces of paper with pictures of U.S. presidents" from their parents wallets....

 

[ozso]

 

[ozso]

How did they express their individual gender identities? In different ways, of course. Just like everyone else.

Unless you're trying to make the point that these three individuals expressed their gender identity in exactly the same way.

Is that what you're saying?

-- A2SG, can't seem to picture The Duke telling kids to sneak into their parents bedroom and send him those "funny green pieces of paper with pictures of U.S. presidents" from their parents wallets....

So "gender" is just a synonym for "personality" eh?

 

[A2SG]

So "gender" is just a synonym for "personality" eh?

No.

Gender is a product of identity. It's the way an individual expresses the traits, roles and/or mannerisms associated with male or female expression within their society or culture. It is part of their personality, sure, but there are many parts of one's personality that are independent of gender, so it's not the whole of it.

If you're unclear on what the word means, maybe you should learn more about the subject before calling it "baloney."

-- A2SG, just a suggestion....

 

[ozso]

No.

Gender is a product of identity. It's the way an individual expresses the traits, roles and/or mannerisms associated with male or female expression within their society or culture. It is part of their personality, sure, but there are many parts of one's personality that are independent of gender, so it's not the whole of it.

If you're unclear on what the word means, maybe you should learn more about the subject before calling it "baloney."

-- A2SG, just a suggestion....

I call it baloney because I'm familiar with the claptrap having heard the whole spiel before.

 

[A2SG]

I call it baloney because I'm familiar with the claptrap having heard the whole spiel before.

I'm not so sure. If you think gender is a synonym for personality, then you clearly do not understand the subject. I don't know what "spiel" you heard, but if what you heard led you to the conclusion you said, then you heard erroneous information.

Now, based on what I've said here, what, exactly, is "baloney" about individuals expressing their gender identity in different ways from other individuals who might share the same genitalia?

-- A2SG, if you think I'm wrong about you misunderstanding this...prove it to me, and show me you do understand it....

 

[ozso]

I'm not so sure. If you think gender is a synonym for personality, then you clearly do not understand the subject.

No you don't get it per usual. You were describing personality traits.

I don't know what "spiel" you heard, but if what you heard led you to the conclusion you said, then you heard erroneous information.

Now, based on what I've said here, what, exactly, is "baloney" about individuals expressing their gender identity in different ways from other individuals who might share the same genitalia?

-- A2SG, if you think I'm wrong about you misunderstanding this...prove it to me, and show me you do understand it....

Misunderstanding what? Try explaining it in a way that isn't just a description of various personality traits. According to the official claptrap all the genders have a designated name such as agender, abigender, bigender, cisgender, demigender, genderfluid, genderflux, intergender, multigender, neurogender, omnigender, pangender, transgender, xgender etc etc for a total of around 75 genders as a conservative number. But it can go up to around 122 iirc. Chew on that for a while

 

[A2SG]

No you don't get it per usual. You were describing personality traits.

Yeah, the ones attributed to one's gender identity. Which, as I said, is part of one's personality, but not the whole of it.

Misunderstanding what? Try explaining it in a way that isn't just a description of various personality traits.

I've done that, and I did not describe any specific traits. To repeat:

Gender is a product of identity. It's the way an individual expresses the traits, roles and/or mannerisms associated with male or female expression within their society or culture. It is part of their personality, sure, but there are many parts of one's personality that are independent of gender, so it's not the whole of it.​

Is that clear, or do you still have difficulty understanding it?

According to the official claptrap all the genders have a designated name such as agender, abigender, bigender, cisgender, demigender, genderfluid, genderflux, intergender, multigender, neurogender, omnigender, pangender, transgender, xgender etc etc for a total of around 75 genders as a conservative number. But it can go up to around 122 iirc. Chew on that for a while

What "official" body are you citing here? Since identity is a very personal and individual thing, it can be expressed any number of ways, and does not have to conform to any "official" designation or definition. If someone wants to use one of those terms, they can...but they don't have to. There is nothing official or required about any of those words.

If you want to call your gender identity "Clyde," you're free to do so.

I personally view gender identity as a spectrum rather than specifically delineated, rigidly defined categories, so as far as I'm concerned, there are as many gender identities as there are individuals. And I don't feel the need to name any of them.

Most individuals have names already, so they don't need me to do that for them anyway.

What, exactly, is "baloney" about that?

-- A2SG, if anyone's purporting themselves to be the "official" designator for gender identity, I'd check their paperwork first....especially if they're asking for a fee to register yours....