Of course you know about the religious right...

[rjs330]

How is this a slur? Seriously, it is only used to distinguish non-transgendered people from transgendered people.

I think the word transgender does the job all by itself. You don't need the word cis at all.

 

[BCP1928]

Interesting, I don't find that at all. I find that it's the Christian left who are constantly preaching that if you aren't supporting the leftist causes you aren't a very good follower of Christ. It's the Christian right who are constantly having to defend their Christianity.
The one topic that may not fit my statements is the abortion topic. But pretty much every other societal topic from immigration to welfare to homelessness to LGBTQ issues the left is pretty consistent with intimating that conservative Christians are very Christian or aren't following Christ's teachings.

I think we already had that in this thread.

Yes, it's really rather sad. Especially when many of the issues which divide American Christians today are not really religious issues at all, like gun control and global warming

 

[rjs330]

What you're saying makes no sense, because conservative churches feed people on a daily basis. I live downtown in a city with a large homeless population and A: I see them being fed by conservative churches all over the place. And B: is see discarded remains of food strewn all over the place by those who are being given food. Meaning they obviously are being given more than enough to eat.

Also on top of that there are many Christian missions that house and clothe the needy and homeless that are run, helped and financed by the Christian right.

I think you're just going along with an obvious lie that conservative churches and aren't feeding and caring for people.

The real complaint against the conservative Christian right from the left is they don't condone and support carnality. I think that's the kind of so called "love" they see lacking. But for some reason they go on about an imaginary refusal to feed people.

This is a fantastic post. Thank you.

I think there is an other point to be made that the left thinks if you don't support government action and money for any cause they think is good then you aren't being a loving person. It doesn't matter what you do in your own life or what your church does, it's all about the tax dollars.

Conservative churches and conservative Christians do a LOT and spend their own money and put in their own time constantly. Yet that's not good enough for the left. You must also support whatever program they think is important. It comes across as very self righteous because you are as good as them. They are the good kind and loving people and you are not. All because we may not support government program xyz.

 

[rjs330]

Yes, it's really rather sad. Especially when many of the issues which divide American Christians today are not really religious issues at all, like gun control and global warming

Well not according to the left and Christian left. Those are also religious ideas. You aren't a loving person if you don't support gun control because of all the deaths caused by guns. If you really loved your fellow man as you should you support taking away everyone's guns because they are killing people.

 

[BCP1928]

Well not according to the left and Christian left. Those are also religious ideas. You aren't a loving person if you don't support gun control because of all the deaths caused by guns. If you really loved your fellow man as you should you support taking away everyone's guns because they are killing people.

What "left" are you talking about?

 

[A2SG]

Many Republicans and conservatives disagree with Trump on immunity, including myself (although I consider myself an independent)

I am against the "Imperial Presidency", which I think is one of our biggest problems.

Presidents getting us involved in military conflicts without congressional approval, issuing edicts and "signing statements", trying to use legislation in a novel way to cancel student loans, or issuing mandates.

I'm glad you agree. And I'm sure you can also see the potential dangers should Trump win this particular appeal.

-- A2SG, especially since Trump has proven he can't be trusted....

 

[A2SG]

A person, last I checked, can argue anything at all in court...

Sure.

Perhaps there was something in the argument itself that the Trump team wanted to bring to the fore.

Yeah. That Trump doesn't want to be held accountable for his criminal acts.

A argument on an existing case says nothing about what he plans in the future.

Maybe not...but then again, given what he has done in the past, it's not an altogether baseless concern.

For future plans it's good to listen to words in context.

And it's also good to note the actions taken as well.

I'm more worried about the guy in charge of the presidency right now than a perfectly competent former president.

Why? Other than disagreements with policies, which is perfectly valid and entirely normal...what specific things has President Biden done that have worried you?

-- A2SG, I could name a few things Trump did that concern me...but this thread really isn't about him...believe it or not...

 

[ozso]

Well not according to the left and Christian left. Those are also religious ideas. You aren't a loving person if you don't support gun control because of all the deaths caused by guns. If you really loved your fellow man as you should you support taking away everyone's guns because they are killing people.

It's the same with global warming too. You want to keep driving your car, eat hamburgers, not vote for leftwing politicians who support the green new deal... no matter how many people suffer and die due to unchecked climate change.

 

[Hazelelponi]

Sure

I'll just let our portion of the thread come to close, before we go too far afield from the main topic on tangents, especially since I've forgotten what that's supposed to be anyway without a refresh... Lol.

Good talking with you.

 

[A2SG]

I'll just let our portion of the thread come to close, before we go too far afield from the main topic on tangents, especially since I've forgotten what that's supposed to be anyway without a refresh... Lol.

Oh. Okay. I'll just take that as a win, then, and go on with my day.

Good talking with you.

And you.

-- A2SG, but if you want to bring these points up elsewhere, I'm willing to discuss them further....

 

[Hazelelponi]

but if you want to bring these points up elsewhere, I'm willing to discuss them further....

We actually probably should somewhere...

 

[A2SG]

We actually probably should somewhere...

Whatever, whereever.

-- A2SG, no shortage of Trump threads 'round here...

 

[Merrill]

I'm glad you agree. And I'm sure you can also see the potential dangers should Trump win this particular appeal.

-- A2SG, especially since Trump has proven he can't be trusted....

Not sure I agree with you entirely,

because I suspect you are perfectly fine with an Imperial presidency and immunity as long as a Democrat is in the Whitehouse

but you can clarify

 

[A2SG]

Not sure I agree with you entirely,

because I suspect you are perfectly fine with an Imperial presidency and immunity as long as a Democrat is in the Whitehouse

but you can clarify

I'm not okay with either.

I just don't see it happening with President Biden.

Is he my first or best choice for the job? No. But he's a lot better than the alternative.

-- A2SG, pretty much anyone would be...

 

[BCP1928]

Not sure I agree with you entirely,

because I suspect you are perfectly fine with an Imperial presidency and immunity as long as a Democrat is in the Whitehouse

but you can clarify

That's why there is a fundamental divide growing in this country--that each side completely and fails to understand what the other side wants. Although in this case I suspect it's mostly hyperbole.

 

[Merrill]

I'm not okay with either.

I just don't see it happening with President Biden.

Is he my first or best choice for the job? No. But he's a lot better than the alternative.

-- A2SG, pretty much anyone would be...

so Biden using an emergency measure passed during the COVID outbreak to "forgive" hundreds of billions of dollars in student loan debt using taxpayer money wasn't an example of a president acting in an Imperial manner? (an act that was struck down by SCOTUS, but now he is trying to use other means to use taxpayer money to bail out his upper-middle-class supporters)

Now there have been presidents who have been worse in this regard. G.W. Bush for instance, with all the military action, etc.

Trump's edict banning immigration from certain Muslim countries is another example

But Biden is not Calvin Coolidge, he isn't any different than Bush or Trump when it comes to this stuff.

 

[A2SG]

so Biden using an emergency measure passed during the COVID outbreak to "forgive" hundreds of billions of dollars in student loan debt using taxpayer money wasn't an example of a president acting in an Imperial manner? (an act that was struck down by SCOTUS, but now he is trying to use other means to use taxpayer money to bail out his upper-middle-class supporters)

Now there have been presidents who have been worse in this regard. G.W. Bush for instance, with all the military action, etc.

Trump's edict banning immigration from certain Muslim countries is another example

But Biden is not Calvin Coolidge, he isn't any different than Bush or Trump when it comes to this stuff.

I may not agree with every policy decision made by President Biden, but he remains far, far different from Trump in every regard.

Just as an example, even if the SCOTUS allows for Trump's desired absolute Presidential immunity (as highly unlikely as that is) I don't believe for a second Biden would use it.

Trump would.

-- A2SG, while that's not my only objection to Trump, it's enough...

 

[DaisyDay]

I think the word transgender does the job all by itself. You don't need the word cis at all.

In a discussion of both transgendered and cisgendered people, it is well to have a term for which one you mean at any given point.

You can go your entire life and the next without ever having to use the term "cis" but not everyone is just like you. Why protest other people from using a handy term?

 

[rjs330]

In a discussion of both transgendered and cisgendered people, it is well to have a term for which one you mean at any given point.

You can go your entire life and the next without ever having to use the term "cis" but not everyone is just like you. Why protest other people from using a handy term?

Not necessary when discussing people if you just use the word transgender everyone knows who you are talking about. Everyone else is not transgender.

And feel free to use use whatever term you want. It's a free country.

 

[RileyG]

Not necessary when discussing people if you just use the word transgender everyone knows who you are talking about. Everyone else is not transgender.

And feel free to use use whatever term you want. It's a free country.

Agreed