Of course you know about the religious right...

[essentialsaltes]

No you would just think them transgender and encourage that idea

You're just making this up.

Yeah a boy enjoying his nails being painted, and pedicures, Is ordinary behaviors for some boys. Pink being a favorite color, can be normal for some boys.

I think we're in agreement.

 

[ralliann]

Who wouldn't if it was their child. Most people would within the limits of reason, however I would never call my child by another name or pretend they were something they weren't.

The only things people are against, as a matter of law and conscious and I agree is:

1.) that schools notify parents of goings on at school with their children, especially as concerns behavior that needs parental guidance.

2.) That children not be removed from custodial parents for refusing to "transition" their child

3.) That underage children are not surgically mutilated - it should be illegal

4.) That puberty blockers not be used on children. They're harmful.

If someone wants to surgically transition they can do so of their own accord after they are of legal age...

It is more than that though. As someone else here said, it is "CULTURE". The schools have gone in for the "culture" they deem best for THEIR children.

 

[ralliann]

You're just making this up.

You don't? Sure you do.

I think we're in agreement.

Good. Leave kids alone. They will be what they will be IN THEIR ADULTHOOD. Until then SOME BOY's
wont mind girly things, and Girls will be Tom boy's. But that is as boys and girls. Not transgenders.

 

[ozso]

So why fight it? Recognize and allow those kids those traits even in their school years. Let them understand that's not a big deal. Maybe if they weren't shamed and bullied about it they wouldn't feel so trapped that they wanted genital surgery.

What's really happening is little kids are being told that gender is fluid, there's no such thing as male and female and they can be a combination of a plethora of made up genders and sexual orientations - that is the mindset the left and LGBTQQIP2SAA+ want little kids to start out with. The whole thing is a kaleidoscope of sexuality for children. A total rabbit hole they're being taken down.

 

[ralliann]

What's really happening is little kids are being told that gender is fluid, there's no such thing as male and female and they can be a combination of a plethora of made up genders and sexual orientations - this is the mindset the left and LGBTQQIP2SAA+ want little kids to start out with. The whole thing is a kaleidoscope of sexuality for children. A total rabbit hole they're being taken down.

YES! As I said in another post. Boyish girls used to be called "Tom" boys. And boy's liking or tolerating "girly" things were called "girly" boys. They never lost THEIR GENDER of boy and girl. There is the difference.

 

[Hazelelponi]

It is more than that though. As someone else here said, it is "CULTURE". The schools have gone in for the "culture" they deem best for THEIR children.

True... And we need to figure out how to protect Christian children from this.

My heart just breaks for kids raising children these days. It's gotta be terrifying.

 

[ralliann]

True... And we need to figure out how to protect Christian children from this.

My heart just breaks for kids raising children these days. It's gotta be terrifying.

Well, other nations have public schools that are religious, along with secular. Because their focus is ACADEMICS, not cultural change. I hope this nation will come to this. My daughter right now pays for Christian school but also pays taxes to secular public school this is so unfair and undemocratic.

 

[ralliann]

Well, other nations have public schools that are religious, along with secular. Truly because their sole focus is School is for ACADEMICS, not cultural change. I hope this nation will come to this. My daughter right now pays for Christian school but also pays taxes to secular public school this is so unfair and undemocratic. We just want our kids educated, not indoctrinated.

 

[Hazelelponi]

YES! As I said in another post. Boyish girls used to be called "Tom" boys. And boy's liking or tolerating "girly" things were called "girly" boys. They never lost THEIR GENDER of boy and girl. There is the difference.

I was a girly girl growing up and endlessly teased over it and I am a girl.

I think that's what people don't realize these days. Kids are downright mean to one another, and it doesn't matter if your in "the zone" or not. Someone, or many someone's, will make fun of you for it in school. No matter who you are.

I think kids have so little conflict they don't realize some conflict is also a normal part of growing up.

 

[ralliann]

I was a girly girl growing up and endlessly teased over it and I am a girl.

I think that's what people don't realize these days. Kids are downright mean to one another, and it doesn't matter if your in "the zone" or not. Someone, or many someone's, will make fun of you for it in school. No matter who you are.

I think kids have so little conflict they don't realize some conflict is also a normal part of growing up.

Yes, we have kids who are pampered. As were their parents before them. Hardship etc. can be a healthy part of growing up. I came up in a Catholic environment, so it was a large family. We were poor and a family of six kids. My uncle Not so poor despite ten Children, in private Catholic School (mom and dad could never afford that). When we got together for holiday meals (or any other gathering) it was 16 kids and four adults, LOL. All ages in there. Lot's of opportunity for conflict in that.

 

[Hazelelponi]

Well, other nations have public schools that are religious, along with secular. Because their focus is ACADEMICS, not cultural change. I hope this nation will come to this. My daughter right now pays for Christian school but also pays taxes to secular public school this is so unfair and undemocratic.

Totally hear you. I have one bunch of grandkids kids in private school and the other bunch are homeschooled.

 

[essentialsaltes]

YES! As I said in another post. Boyish girls used to be called "Tom" boys. And boy's liking or tolerating "girly" things were called "girly" boys.

It's weird that you seem to accept that someone can display a combination of behaviors stereotypically associated with both genders, and yet react so violently to the idea that there is some fluidity in gender.

We agree it is normal for a child of one gender to display traits commonly associated with the other gender.

Gendered behavior is not rigidly separated; there is some fluidity that is normal.

[We aren't even discussing trans or cis identities.]

 

[ralliann]

It's weird that you seem to accept that someone can display a combination of behaviors stereotypically associated with both genders, and yet react so violently to the idea that there is some fluidity in gender.

It is not weird at all since we never lost our "GENDER".

We agree it is normal for a child of one gender to display traits commonly associated with the other gender.

Gendered behavior is not rigidly separated; there is some fluidity that is normal.

[We aren't even discussing trans or cis identities.]

It never makes them another "gender". That is the difference. Nor is it "violence" to say so. Who is weird here?

 

[essentialsaltes]

It never makes them another "gender".

I have not asserted that it does.

That is the difference.

There is no difference if we're in agreement.

 

[ralliann]

I have not asserted that it does.

There is no difference if we're in agreement.

The difference is for you gender is no longer gender, as well the very same for violence. Violence is no longer violence. It's just a bunch of drama. An over reaction of the pampered AKA drama queens, we used to call them.

 

[essentialsaltes]

The difference is for you gender is no longer gender, as well the very same for violence. Violence is no longer violence.

Well, I've tried agreeing with you and that didn't work. I'm out of ideas. I guess I'll just have to let you keep thrashing away at that strawman you've glued my face onto.

 

[ralliann]

Well, I've tried agreeing with you and that didn't work. I'm out of ideas. I guess I'll just have to let you keep thrashing away at that strawman you've glued my face onto.

It is you who Characterized me as "violent". Not an agreeable statement nor true which you glued to my face. But I do believe you cannot see it. Of course I am not going to agree with that on my face.

 

[essentialsaltes]

It is you who Characterized me as "violent".

I don't believe anybody in this thread has done that. Certainly I haven't.

ETA: Oh I see that I said you 'reacted violently' when you shouted "YES!" to something you apparently disagree with. Such 'violent disagreement' is a figure of speech, not intended to express actual violence.

 

[RoBo1988]

My bad, it was James Madison, not Adams:

The government of the United States is a definite government. confined to specified objects. It is not like the state governments, whose powers are more general. Charity is no part of the legislative duty of the government.” --James Madison (speech in the House of Representatives, January 1794)

 

[rjs330]

Can you be a real Christian and also be "left"?

I get the impression around here that you cant.

Interesting, I don't find that at all. I find that it's the Christian left who are constantly preaching that if you aren't supporting the leftist causes you aren't a very good follower of Christ. It's the Christian right who are constantly having to defend their Christianity.
The one topic that may not fit my statements is the abortion topic. But pretty much every other societal topic from immigration to welfare to homelessness to LGBTQ issues the left is pretty consistent with intimating that conservative Christians are very Christian or aren't following Christ's teachings.

I think we already had that in this thread.