Scientists don't require time machines to study craters.

[AV1611VET]

So?
Clearly you can't grasp the scales involved, if a 3-4 megaton air burst at an altitude of up to 10 km can destroy 2150 km² of forest, by comparison the 80,000,000 megaton asteroid impact at the surface is going to do considerably more damage in particular the aftermath when particulate matter ejected into atmosphere resulted in climate change and the destruction of habitats leading to mass extinctions.

As I told Lamberth, I already addressed that in another post.

Here it is again:

Look at it this way.

You're a fallen angel in space during the time of the Flood.

You're looking down on the earth and seeing nothing but water and an Ark.

In the middle of your victory dance, you suddenly see the waters being taken to "siphoning points" and removed from the earth.

In its place, is a beautiful, clean, sanitized, terraformed Earth that looks much like it did in Genesis 1.

The Ark is sitting in the mountains of Ararat, and a raven and a dove emerge from it.

The dove returns, is sent out again a week later, and this time plucks off an olive leaf.

Earth is absolutely beautiful, but now it has polar climatology, instead of 100% tropical climatology.

You see Noah and his family and all the animals disembark.

You get mad.

Real mad.

I mean ... mad, mad.

You grab an asteroid and hurl it down to smash the earth to pieces.

It hits the earth and ... well ... doesn't do what it was supposed to do.

Something intervened and channeled all that kinetic energy and power elsewhere off the earth.

All that's left is a crater and nothing else.

Sounds fictional?

Did I make this up?

Sure I did.

But at least it gives you some inkling as to why this crater can exist, with no appreciable damage, other than a ... well ... crater.

SOURCE: POST 172

 

[sjastro]

As I told Lamberth, I already addressed that in another post.

Here it is again:

Look at it this way.

You're a fallen angel in space during the time of the Flood.

You're looking down on the earth and seeing nothing but water and an Ark.

In the middle of your victory dance, you suddenly see the waters being taken to "siphoning points" and removed from the earth.

In its place, is a beautiful, clean, sanitized, terraformed Earth that looks much like it did in Genesis 1.

The Ark is sitting in the mountains of Ararat, and a raven and a dove emerge from it.

The dove returns, is sent out again a week later, and this time plucks off an olive leaf.

Earth is absolutely beautiful, but now it has polar climatology, instead of 100% tropical climatology.

You see Noah and his family and all the animals disembark.

You get mad.

Real mad.

I mean ... mad, mad.

You grab an asteroid and hurl it down to smash the earth to pieces.

It hits the earth and ... well ... doesn't do what it was supposed to do.

Something intervened and channeled all that kinetic energy and power elsewhere off the earth.

All that's left is a crater and nothing else.

Sounds fictional?

Did I make this up?

Sure I did.

But at least it gives you some inkling as to why this crater can exist, with no appreciable damage, other than a ... well ... crater.

SOURCE: POST 172

You really should get out more often into the real world and stop living in a fantasy.

 

[sjastro]

Let's get back to some real science.
There is a debate in the science community on the destructive effects of global forest fires which occurred after the impact occurred.
What all scientists agree on is the atmosphere did not ignite which was the doomsday scenario contemplated for the Trinity test of the atomic bomb as described in the movie Oppenheimer.

It is hypothesized ejecta from the impact reentered the earth's atmosphere, resulting in the upper atmosphere heating up and radiating infrared to the surface causing widespread global fires and incinerating most lifeforms living on the surface.
Global fires after the asteroid impact probably caused the K-Pg extinction

The authors of the paper have defended their hypotheses summarized in the following table.

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https://agupubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/jgrg.20018

 

[Tuur]

But at least it gives you some inkling as to why this crater can exist, with no appreciable damage, other than a ... well ... crater.

Hiroshima is probably rather nice these days, but wouldn't have wanted to be there on August 6, 1945.

 

[Tuur]

Let's get back to some real science.
There is a debate in the science community on the destructive effects of global forest fires which occurred after the impact occurred.
What all scientists agree on is the atmosphere did not ignite which was the doomsday scenario contemplated for the Trinity test of the atomic bomb as described in the movie Oppenheimer.

It is hypothesized ejecta from the impact reentered the earth's atmosphere, resulting in the upper atmosphere heating up and radiating infrared to the surface causing widespread global fires and incinerating most lifeforms living on the surface.
Global fires after the asteroid impact probably caused the K-Pg extinction

The authors of the paper have defended their hypotheses summarized in the following table.

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https://agupubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/jgrg.20018

Which is why pollen dating to six months after impact in the link I posted caught my attention. Depending on what sort of pollen it is, it may argue against both global fires and severe cooling afterwards. Not that mega earthquakes wasn't bad enough.

Then we have stuff like this:

Did dinosaur-killing asteroid trigger largest lava flows on Earth? - Berkeley News

The asteroid that slammed into the ocean off Mexico 66 million years ago and killed off the dinosaurs probably rang the Earth like a bell, triggering volcanic eruptions around the globe, according to a team of UC Berkeley geophysicists. The impact may have re-ignited the eruptions at the Deccan...

news.berkeley.edu

Trying to recall something by, I think, Robert Bakker. Basically that there were some dinosaurs around for a time after the Chicxulub impact. We have the idea of instant extinction on a human scale, and while it was on a geological scale, it may have been a bad day that led to worse days that led to the demise of about 76% of species on earth at the time.

 

[AV1611VET]

Hiroshima is probably rather nice these days, but wouldn't have wanted to be there on August 6, 1945.

No argument there!

 

[sjastro]

Which is why pollen dating to six months after impact in the link I posted caught my attention. Depending on what sort of pollen it is, it may argue against both global fires and severe cooling afterwards. Not that mega earthquakes wasn't bad enough.

Then we have stuff like this:

Did dinosaur-killing asteroid trigger largest lava flows on Earth? - Berkeley News

The asteroid that slammed into the ocean off Mexico 66 million years ago and killed off the dinosaurs probably rang the Earth like a bell, triggering volcanic eruptions around the globe, according to a team of UC Berkeley geophysicists. The impact may have re-ignited the eruptions at the Deccan...

news.berkeley.edu

Trying to recall something by, I think, Robert Bakker. Basically that there were some dinosaurs around for a time after the Chicxulub impact. We have the idea of instant extinction on a human scale, and while it was on a geological scale, it may have been a bad day that led to worse days that led to the demise of about 76% of species on earth at the time.

Evidence of a forest fire caused by the asteroid impact was found at a site in Mexico over 1000 km away from the impact site.
Along with the evidence of charring, analysis revealed a spike in fungus and fern spores in the K-Pg boundary suggesting the fire was initiated by either by the impact plume of the asteroid impact or from ejecta reentering the atmosphere closely followed by a tsunami which accounts for the spores.

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Timing and causes of forest fire at the K–Pg boundary - Scientific Reports

We report K–Pg-age deposits in Baja California, Mexico, consisting of terrestrial and shallow-marine materials re-sedimented onto the continental slope, including corals, gastropods, bivalves, shocked quartz grains, an andesitic tuff with a SHRIMP U–Pb age (66.12 ± 0.65 Ma) indistinguishable...

www.nature.com

 

[Tuur]

Evidence of a forest fire caused by the asteroid impact was found at a site in Mexico over 1000 km away from the impact site.
Along with the evidence of charring, analysis revealed a spike in fungus and fern spores in the K-Pg boundary suggesting the fire was initiated by either by the impact plume of the asteroid impact or from ejecta reentering the atmosphere closely followed by a tsunami which accounts for the spores.

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Timing and causes of forest fire at the K–Pg boundary - Scientific Reports

We report K–Pg-age deposits in Baja California, Mexico, consisting of terrestrial and shallow-marine materials re-sedimented onto the continental slope, including corals, gastropods, bivalves, shocked quartz grains, an andesitic tuff with a SHRIMP U–Pb age (66.12 ± 0.65 Ma) indistinguishable...

www.nature.com

That's 1,000 km / 621 mi. The average circumference of the earth is 40,030 km / 24,875 mi. Half that is 20,015 km / 12,437 mi. 1,000 km / 621 mi is practically local for something that big. A check with Google Earth puts it Columbia, Mexico about 1,200 km / 756 mi, but that's guessing where the center of the crater is. It's about the same distance to Mississippi and Alabama. The link I posted about megaearthquakes following the impact mentions these three places and Texas has having folds from the earthquake, and some have pollen from about six months after impact. I'm not arguing the impact didn't start forest fires, only that the presence of pollen suggests it may not have been global in scope. Pollen only a little further away than 1,000 km is interesting.

 

[sjastro]

That's 1,000 km / 621 mi. The average circumference of the earth is 40,030 km / 24,875 mi. Half that is 20,015 km / 12,437 mi. 1,000 km / 621 mi is practically local for something that big. A check with Google Earth puts it Columbia, Mexico about 1,200 km / 756 mi, but that's guessing where the center of the crater is. It's about the same distance to Mississippi and Alabama. The link I posted about megaearthquakes following the impact mentions these three places and Texas has having folds from the earthquake, and some have pollen from about six months after impact. I'm not arguing the impact didn't start forest fires, only that the presence of pollen suggests it may not have been global in scope. Pollen only a little further away than 1,000 km is interesting.

The proximity of the site to the asteroid impact area has allowed scientists to construct a sequence of events starting off with devastating seismic P waves travelling at 6 to 8 km s⁻¹ arriving minutes after the asteroid impact, followed by the firestorm and the tsunami minutes after that.

If you want evidence the firestorm was global this comes from New Zealand close to Australia which was separating from Antarctica at the time of the impact.

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This does not indicate the soot originated at the site from a wildfire but wildfires were on a global scale and particulate matter was deposited at such remote sites from the impact area being carried by winds.

A model illustrates the spread of wildfires as a function of time after the impact event.

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Chicxulub Impact Event

Chicxulub Impact Event

www.lpi.usra.edu

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[Tuur]

If you want evidence the firestorm was global this comes from New Zealand close to Australia which was separating from Antarctica at the time of the impact.

And yet there's the pollen from about six months later. Charred material says fire, but the pollen says there were plants around and conditions that allowed them to live. If it's pollen from grasses and maybe plants associated with wildfire recovery, that's not problematic since they tend to be quick growing and may reestablish in that length of time. But if it was from trees, that would mean there wasn't complete wildfires.,

 

[AV1611VET]

Looks like a time machine is required.

 

[SelfSim]

Looks like a time machine is required.

What for?

 

[AV1611VET]

What for?

To sort out all this pollen and soot and wildfire claims that supposedly caused havoc all over the earth.

 

[SelfSim]

To sort out all this pollen and soot and wildfire claims that supposedly caused havoc all over the earth.

Sort out? State your purpose!

 

[AV1611VET]

Sort out? State your purpose!

I don't have a purpose, SelfSim.

I'm simply agreeing that, at one point in Earth's history, something from outer space whacked the earth and made a big dent in it.

But it stops there.

Sure, maybe there were some fires here and there; and maybe this thing splattered itself all over the face of the earth on impact.

But to say it made the dinosaurs go extinct and a host of other things is introducing facts not in evidence.

In fact, I know it didn't make the dinosaurs go extinct, because Job mentions dinosaurs later on, as does Isaiah.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

I don't have a purpose, SelfSim.

I'm simply agreeing that, at one point in Earth's history, something from outer space whacked the earth and made a big dent in it.

But it stops there.

Sure, maybe there were some fires here and there; and maybe this thing splattered itself all over the face of the earth on impact.

But to say it made the dinosaurs go extinct and a host of other things is introducing facts not in evidence.

In fact, I know it didn't make the dinosaurs go extinct, because Job mentions dinosaurs later on, as does Isaiah.

You know... having seen a few videos on YouTube... at least that idea is better than the people who claim that there were/are no such things as dinosaurs and they're all fake.

Not by much, but it's better.

 

[AV1611VET]

You know... having seen a few videos on YouTube... at least that idea is better than the people who claim that there were/are no such things as dinosaurs and they're all fake.

I can just picture dinosaurs shaking their heads and rolling their eyes at academia today.

Scientists: What are you guys doing here? You went extinct when that asteroid hit Chixulub!
Dinosaurs: Ah ha ha ha ha! You guys kill us!

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

I can just picture dinosaurs shaking their heads and rolling their eyes at academia today.

Scientists: What are you guys doing here? You went extinct when that asteroid hit Chixulub!
Dinosaurs: Ah ha ha ha ha! You guys kill us!

You're not suited for comedy.

 

[AV1611VET]

You're not suited for comedy.

When I was a kid in school, everybody laughed at me.

Now that I'm an adult, nobody laughs at me!

 

[partinobodycular]

When I was a kid in school, everybody laughed at me.

Now that I'm an adult, nobody laughs at me!

Some things are cute when you're a kid, but when you're an adult they're just tragic. Like believing in Santa Claus or the Easter bunny, at this point in your life they're not so funny anymore.