Where is "go to heaven" in the Bible?

[Postvieww]

Hebrews 11:13-16
13 These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off were assured of them, embraced them and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth. 14 For those who say such things declare plainly that they seek a homeland. 15 And truly if they had called to mind that country from which they had come out, they would have had opportunity to return. 16 But now they desire a better, that is, a heavenly country. Therefore God is not ashamed to be called their God, for He has prepared a city for them.

In Revelation that city comes down from heaven.

 

[parousia70]

In Revelation that city comes down from heaven.

And in Hebrews 12:22, we've already come to it.

 

[FredVB]

To live is Christ and to die is gain, believers go to be with the Lord when they die, physically. The Lord is not on the earth at that time, there is a place prepared for us, and in the renewal the city of heaven will be on the new earth, which we come to, still having heaven there, with God's presence manifest among us there.

 

[keras]

To live is Christ and to die is gain, believers go to be with the Lord when they die, physically. The Lord is not on the earth at that time, there is a place prepared for us, and in the renewal the city of heaven will be on the new earth, which we come to, still having heaven there, with God's presence manifest among us there.

This is what will happen, but not until after the Millennium, at The GWT Judgment. Revelation 20:11-15
Until that final Day, the dead 'sleep' in their graves. The only people resurrected before that Day, will be those killed for their faith during the 3 1/2 year period of world Satanic control. Rev 20:4-5
The two Witnesses are part of them. Revelation 11:12

What Jesus did make abundantly clear; is that no one will ascend to heaven, John 3:13
That is: No human can ever leave the earth and go to be in Gods dwelling place. In Eternity God will come to dwell with us, in the new earth and Jerusalem. Revelation 21 to 22

 

[BPPLEE]

This is what will happen, but not until after the Millennium, at The GWT Judgment. Revelation 20:11-15
Until that final Day, the dead 'sleep' in their graves. The only people resurrected before that Day, will be those killed for their faith during the 3 1/2 year period of world Satanic control. Rev 20:4-5
The two Witnesses are part of them. Revelation 11:12

What Jesus did make abundantly clear; is that no one will ascend to heaven, John 3:13
That is: No human can ever leave the earth and go to be in Gods dwelling place. In Eternity God will come to dwell with us, in the new earth and Jerusalem. Revelation 21 to 22

I’m not saying you’re wrong but John 3:13 says no one HAS ascended. It doesn’t say no one ever will.
And then there’s Paul’s words
2Co 12:2 - I know a man in Christ who fourteen years ago was caught up to the third heaven. Whether it was in the body or out of the body I do not know—God knows.

 

[keras]

John 3:13 says no one HAS ascended. It doesn’t say no one ever will.

Rather a flimsy point on which to hang an entire doctrine on?
Actually, the only humans who were said to be taken to heaven, were Enoch and Elijah and still to come: the 2 Witnesses. Revelation 11:12
Also Paul, as you mention. But in each case, we are not told whether they really lived in heaven. I strongly doubt they did, because as Revelation 20:11-15 tells us; it will only be at the final Judgment that anyone will receive immortality, becoming a Spiritual being for Eternity.

 

[BPPLEE]

Rather a flimsy point on which to hang an entire doctrine on?
Actually, the only humans who were said to be taken to heaven, were Enoch and Elijah and still to come: the 2 Witnesses. Revelation 11:12
Also Paul, as you mention. But in each case, we are not told whether they really lived in heaven. I strongly doubt they did, because as Revelation 20:11-15 tells us; it will only be at the final Judgment that anyone will receive immortality, becoming a Spiritual being for Eternity.

I didn’t mention any doctrine I said you’re using John 3:13 incorrectly and it’s you who has a flimsy doctrine, I’m still not claiming that you’re wrong, just that you’re use of John 3:13 is wrong

 

[keras]

I didn’t mention any doctrine I said you’re using John 3:13 incorrectly and it’s you who has a flimsy doctrine, I’m still not claiming that you’re wrong, just that you’re use of John 3:13 is wrong

Jesus made a plain and clear statement. He did not add to it, or make it conditional.
The doctrine and belief of a rapture to heaven of the Church, is false and cannot happen.

 

[BPPLEE]

Jesus made a plain and clear statement. He did not add to it, or make it conditional.
The doctrine and belief of a rapture to heaven of the Church, is false and cannot happen.

Yes Jesus made a clear statement and you added to it

 

[keras]

Yes Jesus made a clear statement and you added to it

Confirmation that there never was and never will be a 'rapture to heaven' of a group of people, is found throughout the Bible.
Matthew 28:19-20 says: we must keep on doing the Great Commission until Jesus Returns.

When; those people who have proved their faith will be gathered to where He will be - to Jerusalem. Matthew 24:31, 1 Thess 4:17

 

[BPPLEE]

Confirmation that there never was and never will be a 'rapture to heaven' of a group of people, is found throughout the Bible.
Matthew 28:19-20 says: we must keep on doing the Great Commission until Jesus Returns.

When; those people who have proved their faith will be gathered to where He will be - to Jerusalem. Matthew 24:31, 1 Thess 4:17

I’m not arguing for the rapture just that you attributed something to a verse that doesn’t apply.
And those verses don’t disprove the rapture either.
I ve learned enough to know that there is more than one way to interpret the Bible and you may be right but there’s a possibility you could be wrong as well

 

[keras]

I’m not arguing for the rapture just that you attributed something to a verse that doesn’t apply.
And those verses don’t disprove the rapture either.
I ve learned enough to know that there is more than one way to interpret the Bible and you may be right but there’s a possibility you could be wrong as well

This attitude makes the Words of scripture virtually meaningless.
We study subjects like mathematics and what we are taught has absolute and definitive conclusions. One and one equals two.

Scripture is similar, it tells us the right way to live and how to gain Salvation.
The Prophetic Word also informs us about Gods plans for our future. Jesus said that for humans to go to heaven; was impossible. We are also told that our task as Christians is to spread the Gospel and do good works and when He Returns, we will be rewarded. Matthew 16:27

Quite simple, really and to believe fables as Paul says some will; 2 Timothy 4:3-4, is a serious mistake.

 

[BPPLEE]

This attitude makes the Words of scripture virtually meaningless.
We study subjects like mathematics and what we are taught has absolute and definitive conclusions. One and one equals two.

Scripture is similar, it tells us the right way to live and how to gain Salvation.
The Prophetic Word also informs us about Gods plans for our future. Jesus said that for humans to go to heaven; was impossible. We are also told that our task as Christians is to spread the Gospel and do good works and when He Returns, we will be rewarded. Matthew 16:27

Quite simple, really and to believe fables as Paul says some will; 2 Timothy 4:3-4, is a serious mistake.

Let me guess, you have the correct interpretation, everyone who disagrees is wrong and you believe in replacement theology. You believe what you believe because that is what you’ve been taught and you probably studied a great deal from people who believe what you do.
I used to think that what I believed was correct and people who taught otherwise were mistaken, misinformed or had bad intentions.
But now I realize that I believed those things because I read books by people who believed that way and listened to preachers who taught the same thing, I even got a degree from a college that taught the same thing.
The more I studied the more I realized that some of the differences in what I and others believed had nothing to do with salvation and there was nothing to be gained from arguing over it.
For instance let me ask you this, does a person have to believe that there will be no rapture in order to be saved?

 

[keras]

does a person have to believe that there will be no rapture in order to be saved?

As my study source is the Bibe, contrary your false accusations, then this question is easily answered - ALL who believe in the Lord Jesus, will be saved and have Eternal life. John 3:16
Belief in a 'rapture to heaven' is not a salvation issue, but it is a works problem; for to agree with or worse; to teach a false doctrine is described by Paul in 1 Corinthians 3:13-15, like as having works of hay and stubble, that the Lord will burn up and you will be saved only by passing thru fire.

The works of those who teach Bible truths, will remain and be rewarded. James 3:1

 

[BPPLEE]

As my study source is the Bibe, contrary your false accusations, then this question is easily answered - ALL who believe in the Lord Jesus, will be saved and have Eternal life. John 3:16
Belief in a 'rapture to heaven' is not a salvation issue, but it is a works problem; for to agree with or worse; to teach a false doctrine is described by Paul in 1 Corinthians 3:13-15, like as having works of hay and stubble, that the Lord will burn up and you will be saved only by passing thru fire.

The works of those who teach Bible truths, will remain and be rewarded. James 3:1

Jehovah’s Witnesses study source is the Bible, that doesn’t mean they’re correct.
There are some who believe in the rapture who are excellent Bible teachers like David Jeremiah.
I don’t think God is going to hold us accountable for not having the finer points of theology perfect.
If you know how to be saved that’s the most important thing.

 

[keras]

Jehovah’s Witnesses study source is the Bible, that doesn’t mean they’re correct.
There are some who believe in the rapture who are excellent Bible teachers like David Jeremiah.
I don’t think God is going to hold us accountable for not having the finer points of theology perfect.
If you know how to be saved that’s the most important thing.

Charles Taze Russel is the JW's source of their doctrines.
David Jeremiah is the classic example of a wolf in sheeps clothing. A lot of his teaching is good, but it is interwoven with false theories.
God IS going to hold everyone accountable for every wrong action and every false word spoken. James 3:6-10

Yes; we who believe in the Lord Jesus have been saved and our names are Written in the Book of Life.
But: It is possible to fall and have our names erased. This could happen to people who have pinned their hopes on being raptured to heaven before the Lord sends His fiery wrath onto the earth. Isaiah 66:15-17, Revelation 6:12-17,
What a rapture doesn't happen, many will fail the test of our faith; 1 Peter 4:12, and will renounce God.

 

[BPPLEE]

Charles Taze Russel is the JW's source of their doctrines.
David Jeremiah is the classic example of a wolf in sheeps clothing. A lot of his teaching is good, but it is interwoven with false theories.
God IS going to hold everyone accountable for every wrong action and every false word spoken. James 3:6-10

Yes; we who believe in the Lord Jesus have been saved and our names are Written in the Book of Life.
But: It is possible to fall and have our names erased. This could happen to people who have pinned their hopes on being raptured to heaven before the Lord sends His fiery wrath onto the earth. Isaiah 66:15-17, Revelation 6:12-17,
What a rapture doesn't happen, many will fail the test of our faith; 1 Peter 4:12, and will renounce God.

Go to a forum that allows them and debate a JW. They know the Bible still what they believe is wrong.
Losing your salvation is another topic of much debate and it’s not cut and dried, carved in stone that your interpretation is correct.
We could go on and on but you just can’t admit that you used a verse out of context and claimed it meant something that it doesn’t.
You are free to have your beliefs and I’m not here to tell you they’re wrong, we’ll all find out someday that there were some things that we were wrong about

 

[keras]

you just can’t admit that you used a verse out of context

I totally deny that I used John 3:13 in any way other than its true meaning.
It clearly and simply states that for humans - going to live in heaven cannot happen. This truth is confirmed by Jesus in John 7:34, John 8:21-23, John 17:15 and Revelation 5:10 Also by the Apostles and even in the OT.

So, the 'rapture to heaven' theory is false teaching. It is in fact; a Satanic deception and to believe it is serious error.

 

[BPPLEE]

I totally deny that I used John 3:13 in any way other than its true meaning.
It clearly and simply states that for humans - going to live in heaven cannot happen. This truth is confirmed by Jesus in John 7:34, John 8:21-23, John 17:15 and Revelation 5:10 Also by the Apostles and even in the OT.

So, the 'rapture to heaven' theory is false teaching. It is in fact; a Satanic deception and to believe it is serious error.

Matthew 3:2, Matthew 4:17, Matthew 5:3, Matthew 5:10, Matthew 5:12, Matthew 5:19, Matthew 5:20, Matthew 6:20, Matthew 7:21, Matthew 8:11, Matthew 18:3, Matthew 18:4
I can keep going

 

[contratodo]

And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of the sky, prepared as a bride for her husband.
Revelation 21:2

Blessed are they that do His commands, that they may have right to the tree of life,
and may enter in through the gates into the city.
Revelation 22:14